Butch Witkowski : 自身の UFO 目撃、人間の mutilation 事例を語る

October 12, 2025 · 180 min read

前置き

過去記事、

の動画を AI で整理した。なお、Butch Witkowski は晩年は体調不良で療養していたが、数年前に死去している（追悼：Butch Witkowski が（心臓疾患で）死去。享年 74）

要旨

UFOと未確認生物、人体損壊事件の調査

この音声テキストは、‌‌マーティン・ウィリス‌‌がホストを務めるポッドキャストのエピソードからの抜粋で、ゲストは‌‌UFO研究センター・オブ・ペンシルベニア (UFO Research Center of Pennsylvania, UFORCOP)‌‌の創設者である‌‌ブッチ・ウィトコウスキー‌‌です。

ウィトコウスキーは、1989年の大規模なUFO目撃事件をきっかけに研究を始めた‌‌独立系研究者‌‌であり、彼の組織は‌‌法医学的手法‌‌を用いてUFO現象やその他の異常な事件を調査していると説明しています。

彼らは、‌‌警察官や写真分析官‌‌などの専門家を含むチームを編成し、‌‌高性能な移動調査ユニット‌‌を使用して現場での徹底的な調査を行っています。

議論は、UFOの目撃情報（特に‌‌三角形とオーブ‌‌の増加）から、ウィトコウスキーが‌‌私費でまかなっている‌‌UFORCOPの活動、そして‌‌トッド・シース事件‌‌のような未解決の失踪事件や、‌‌動物および人間の切断‌‌というUFOロジーにおける異様なサブトピックにまで及びました。

この対談は、‌‌UFO現象と、クリプティッド（未確認生物）やパラノーマル現象‌‌との関連性についてのウィトコウスキーの視点も紹介しています。

前置き
要旨
UFO研究、未確認生物、人体切断事件に関するブリーフィング
ケーススタディ分析：トッド・シーズ失踪事件の謎
UFO 目撃報告の状況
未確認生物（Cryptids）調査
abduction 調査
Todd Sees 事件の異常性
人体切断 : Human Mutilations
情報源
文字起こし（話者識別）

UFO研究、未確認生物、人体切断事件に関するブリーフィング

要旨

このブリーフィングは、独立UFO研究家であるブッチ・ウィトコウスキー氏へのインタビューから得られた主要なテーマ、証拠、および結論を統合したものである。ウィトコウスキー氏は、自身が設立した「ペンシルベニアUFO研究センター（UFORCOP）」を通じて、UFO、未確認生物（クリプティッド）、そして人体切断（ヒューマン・ミューティレーション）といった異常現象に対して、厳格な法医学的アプローチで調査を行っている。

本報告書の要点は以下の通りである：

法医学的調査手法の重視: ウィトコウスキー氏の調査哲学の核心は、「法医学的に起こり得ないとすれば、それは起こらなかった」という原則にある。彼の組織は、元法執行官、連邦判事、科学分析官などの専門家で構成され、高度な機材を搭載した移動調査ユニットを駆使して現場での証拠収集を最優先する。
ペンシルベニア州の未確認生物: 州内で目撃が相次ぐ、狼のような頭部を持つ身長7～8フィートの未確認生物に関する継続調査。この生物は人間を恐れず、その場に立ち尽くすという特異な行動を示す。1865年の記録とも一致するこの目撃情報は、ネイティブアメリカンの伝承に登場する「スキンウォーカー」との関連性が指摘されている。
トッド・シース事件の謎: 2008年に発生したこの未解決事件は、公式にはコカインの過剰摂取による死亡とされているが、ウィトコウスキー氏の調査チームは数多くの矛盾点を明らかにしている。遺体の異常な腐敗速度、発見場所の不自然さ、関係者の虚偽証言、そして被害者の個人記録が抹消されている点など、事件は単純な薬物死では説明がつかない。事件当日には、被害者がUFOに引きずり込まれるのを目撃したという報告も存在する。
人体切断とUFO現象の関連: ウィトコウスキー氏は、UFO研究においてタブー視されがちな「人体切断（ヒューマン・ミューティレーション）」事件を積極的に調査している。これらの事件は、家畜の切断（キャトル・ミューティレーション）と驚くほど類似しており、外科的に精密な切除、血液の欠如、被害者が生存中に手術を受けたことを示唆する法医学的証拠（バイタル・リアクション）といった共通点を持つ。彼は、これらの現象が地球外生命体によるエンドルフィンの採取を目的としている可能性を指摘している。

ウィトコウスキー氏は、UFO、未確認生物、超常現象が互いに無関係ではなく、一つの大きな枠組みの中で連携している可能性が高いと考えている。また、政府による公式な情報開示（ディスクロージャー）については、長年の嘘を認めることになるため、決して行われないだろうと悲観的な見方を示している。

ブッチ・ウィトコウスキーとペンシルベニアUFO研究センター（UFORCOP）

設立の経緯と理念

ブッチ・ウィトコウスキー氏は、1989年にアリゾナ州ツーソンで、4人の目撃者と共にフットボール競技場3つ分はあろうかという巨大で完全に無音のUFOを目撃したことをきっかけに、独立研究家としての道を歩み始めた。法執行機関での勤務経験を持つ彼は、より科学的で厳格な調査手法を求め、2009年に「ペンシルベニアUFO研究センター（UFO Research Center of Pennsylvania、通称UFORCOP）」を設立した。

彼の調査哲学の核心は法医学的アプローチにある。「もし法医学的に起こり得ないとすれば、それは起こらなかった」という厳格な原則に基づき、全ての事象を検証する。このアプローチにより、単なる目撃談や憶測ではなく、物的な証拠に基づいた結論を導き出すことを目指している。

組織と運営

UFORCOPは、設立当初の1グループから、現在では米国内に10、ヨーロッパに2つの計12グループを擁する組織に成長した。メンバーは、長年の経験を持つ研究者に加え、現職および元警察官、連邦判事、写真分析家、精神科医、私立探偵、拉致問題の専門家など、多様な分野のプロフェッショナル約64名で構成されている。

特筆すべきは、その運営資金が全てウィトコウスキー氏個人の私財によって賄われている点である。彼は、寄付を受け付けることで外部のドナーに影響されることを避けるため、金銭的な支援を一切受け付けない。これにより、組織の完全な独立性と客観性を維持している。ただし、機材を購入する余裕のないメンバーのために、古いカメラなどの機材の寄付は受け付けている。

調査能力と装備

UFORCOPは、高度な現場調査能力を誇る。ペンシルベニア州内には2台の移動調査ユニット（モバイルユニット）が配備されており、これらは現場で長期間活動できるよう設計されている。

車両: 新たに導入された2016年製のフォード・トランジットは、内部で人が立てるほどの広さを持つ。
搭載機材:
- ノートパソコン（Panasonic Toughbook）
- インターネット接続
- レーダー
- 各種カメラ（Nikon製、赤外線カメラ、テレビ放送グレードのビデオカメラ）
- 監視カメラ（0.5秒ごとに150度の広角写真を撮影可能）
- サーマルイメージング装置
- 天幕、テント、テーブル、椅子
- 東部のユニットには懸垂下降用具、西部のユニットには潜水用具が搭載されている。
活動能力: これらの装備により、補給なしで最大7日間、現場に留まり調査を継続することが可能である。

主要な調査分野と事例

ペンシルベニア州の未確認生物（クリプティッド）

ウィトコウスキー氏のチームは、ペンシルベニア州中央部で目撃が多発している未確認生物（クリプティッド）の調査に力を入れている。2014年7月から報告が寄せられており、全ての目撃証言が驚くほど一致している。

特徴	詳細
身長	7～8フィート（約2.1～2.4メートル）
体格	がっしりした胸、筋肉質な腕
脚部	鷹や犬のような形状の脚（逆関節）
胴体	細い腰
頭部	狼のような頭
目	黄色く光る
行動	人間を目撃しても逃げたり隠れたりせず、その場に立ち尽くし、睨みつける。

この生物の目撃情報は、1865年にペンシルベニア州西部で記録された報告と完全に一致しており、単なる現代の作り話ではない可能性を示唆している。目撃場所はすべて州立公園や狩猟区などの広大な森林地帯に限られている。

ウィトコウスキー氏がオクラホマ州のチェロキー族のメディスンマンに相談したところ、この生物はネイティブアメリカンの伝承に登場する「スキンウォーカー」である可能性が指摘された。ペンシルベニア州はかつてネイティブアメリカンの広大な領土であり、無数の埋葬地が存在するため、スキンウォーカーがそれらの聖地を守っているのではないか、という見解である。

UFO目撃情報の動向

ウィトコウスキー氏によると、過去数年間でUFOの目撃形状に変化が見られる。かつて主流だった「空飛ぶ円盤（ソーサー）」型の報告は激減し、現在は以下の2種類が最も一般的である。

三角形（トライアングル）型: 巨大かつ無音で飛行する。最近では、UFORCOPのメンバーである警察官が勤務からの帰宅途中に巨大な三角形を目撃している。また、別の目撃例では、三角形の後方を3つの赤いオーブが追尾していた。
球体（オーブ）型: 光るオレンジ色の球体として報告されることが多い。第二次世界大戦中にも「フー・ファイター」として目撃されたが、近年再び報告が急増している。偵察機やサンプル採取用のドローンのような存在ではないかとの説がある。

トッド・シース事件（未解決事件）

2008年にペンシルベニア州ノーサンバーランドで発生したトッド・シース氏の死亡事件は、ウィトコウスキー氏が調査した中で最も奇怪な事件の一つである。

公式見解: 39歳のシース氏は、鹿狩りの下見のためATVで森に入った後、行方不明となった。2日後、自宅からわずか20ヤード（約18メートル）の地点で遺体で発見され、死因は「コカインの過剰摂取」と断定された。

しかし、UFORCOPの調査により、公式見解とは相容れない数多くの矛盾点や異常な事実が浮かび上がっている。

薬物使用歴の欠如: シース氏には薬物乱用の経歴が一切なく、少年野球チームのコーチを務めるなど、周囲からの評判も良かった。
致死量と行動の矛盾: 検死で検出されたコカインの量は数分で死に至るほどの致死量であり、ATVが発見された場所（自宅から約1マイル）から歩いて帰ることは不可能である。
遺体の異常な状態:
- 発見時、遺体は死後経過時間（約40～50時間）から考えてあり得ないほど高度な腐敗状態にあった。
- 235人もの捜索隊や死体探知犬が、なぜ自宅のすぐそばにあった遺体を発見できなかったのか説明がつかない。
- 高度に腐敗した遺体から発せられるはずの強烈な臭いが、誰にも感知されなかった。
関係者の虚偽と情報隠蔽:
- 検視官や地元警察は調査チームに対し虚偽の説明を行った。
- 地元警察ではなく州警察が捜査を主導していたことが判明。
- 情報公開請求（FOIA）は、「捜査継続中」を理由に全て拒否されている。しかし、死因が確定している事件が「捜査継続中」となるのはペンシルベニア州法では殺人事件のみであり、公式見解と矛盾する。
個人記録の抹消: シース氏の社会保障死亡記録など、公的な個人情報がほぼ全て消去されており、生年月日と死亡日以外は空白となっている。
UFOとの関連: シース氏が行方不明になった日、地元の漁師らが「下着姿の男がUFOに引き上げられるのを見た」と報告している。シース氏の遺体は、遠目には下着に見える半ズボンとTシャツ姿で発見された。

これらの状況から、ウィトコウスキー氏は、シース氏の死が単なる事故や犯罪ではなく、より複雑で不可解な事象が関与していると結論付けている。

人体切断（ヒューマン・ミューティレーション）事件

ウィトコウスキー氏は、UFO研究分野で長年タブー視されてきた「人体切断事件」の調査も行っている。これらの事件は、家畜が同様の被害に遭う「キャトル・ミューティレーション」と著しい類似性を示す。

事例: グアダパランガ・ダム事件（ブラジル、1988年）この事件は、人体切断の典型的な特徴を最もよく示している。

被害状況:
- 目、左耳、内耳、下顎、喉の内部、舌が外科的に除去。
- 肩、胸、へそ、大腿部などに直径1～1.5インチの穴が開けられ、筋肉や組織が抜き取られていた。
- 精巣、前立腺（尿道経由）、腸（へその穴経由）が除去。
- 肛門は結腸までくり抜かれていた。
法医学的特徴:
- 遺体には死後40～72時間が経過していたにもかかわらず、膨張、死後硬直、死斑が一切見られなかった。
- 現場にはほとんど血液が残されていなかった。
- 検死報告書には「バイタル・リアクション（生活反応）」が記録されていた。これは頭蓋骨内部の多数の血腫を指し、被害者が臓器を摘出されている間、生きていたことを強く示唆する。

共通点と特徴これまでに米国で11件、英国やニュージーランドなどでも同様の事件が報告されている。

被害者は全て男性である。
被害者の遺体は、人里離れた遠隔地で発見されることが多い。
切断面はメスによるものではなく、熱による焼灼痕もない、極めて精密なものである。
理論: ある研究者は、これらの事件が、激しい苦痛や快感によって体内で生成される化学物質「エンドルフィン」を採取するために行われているのではないかと推測している。

ウィトコウスキー氏の見解と哲学

現象の相互関連性

ウィトコウスキー氏は、UFO学、未確認生物学、超常現象（ゴーストハンティングなど）は、もはや独立した分野ではなく、互いに深く関連していると考えている。超常現象の現場で上空に光が目撃されたり、UFOの目撃と同時に地上で奇妙な出来事が起こったりする事例が増えており、これらの現象を包括的に捉える必要があると主張している。

証拠と懐疑主義

彼は自身を「懐疑的な信者（skeptical believer）」と称する。目撃した現象の存在を信じつつも、その解釈においては物的な証拠と法医学的な事実を絶対的な基盤とする。証拠がなければ、それは「単なる物語」に過ぎないという立場を貫いている。

政府による情報開示（ディスクロージャー）について

ウィトコウスキー氏は、政府による公式な情報開示は「決して起こらない」と断言している。その理由は、開示を行えば、政府が過去50年以上にわたって国民に嘘をついてきたことを認めざるを得なくなるからである。同様の理由で、これまでUFO現象を否定してきた科学者たちも、その存在が証明された場合、自身の信頼性を失うことになる。

彼によれば、真の情報開示が起こるとすれば、それは「UFOが誰かの農場に着陸し、その所有者が警察より先にニュースメディアに電話した時」であろう。

他のUFO研究機関への見方

MUFON（Mutual UFO Network）のような大手組織については、優れた調査員を多数抱えていることを認めつつも、その運営方法には限界があると指摘する。調査報告書が提出された時点で個々のケースは終了となり、資金的な制約からUFORCOPのような徹底した現場調査や長期的な追跡が困難であると考えている。一方で、MUFONがCIAのフロント組織であるといった陰謀論については、「政府が情報を得るためならもっと簡単な方法がある」として否定的な見解を示している。

ケーススタディ分析：トッド・シーズ失踪事件の謎

1.0 序章：トッド・シーズの失踪

2008年、ペンシルベニア州の静かな夜。39歳の家庭人、トッド・シーズは闇に消えた。それは当初、ありふれた行方不明事件として始まった。しかし、この一件はやがて、法医学の常識、公的機関の信頼性、そして我々が拠り所とする現実そのものを根底から揺るがす、深く不気味な謎へと変貌を遂げることになる。これは単なる未解決事件の記録ではない。証拠が矛盾を生み、公式発表が不可解な現象と衝突する、現代における調査の限界点を暴き出すケーススタディである。

失踪当時39歳のトッド・シーズは、地域社会に深く根差した人物だった。熱心なアーチェリーの愛好家であり、リトルリーグ野球チームのコーチとして子供たちから慕われていた。独立調査官ブッチ・ウィトコフスキー氏の徹底した身元調査においても、薬物乱用の経歴は一切確認されていない。彼が姿を消した夜は、ありふれた日々の延長線上にあった。午前1時、来るべき鹿猟シーズンの下見のため、彼は愛用のATV（四輪バギー）に乗り込み、自宅裏の広大な森林地帯へと向かった。それは彼にとって、慣れ親しんだ行動だった。しかし、わずか1時間後の午前2時、帰宅しない夫を案じた妻が警察へ通報。これを機に、家族による必死の捜索が開始され、事態は瞬く間に大規模な、そして不可解なほど成果の上がらない作戦へと発展していく。

この通報を皮切りに、地元警察や消防団を巻き込んだ大規模な捜索活動が開始された。しかし、誰もが早期発見を願う中、事態は捜索隊の常識を覆す、さらに奇妙で不可解な方向へと展開していくことになるのだ。

2.0 大規模捜索と常識を覆す発見

40時間もの間、235人の捜索隊がペンシルベニアの険しい荒野をくまなく捜索した。ヘリコプターが上空を旋回し、捜索犬が地面の匂いを追い、土地勘のある地元住民が森の奥深くへと分け入った。しかし、彼らが捜索することなど思いもよらなかった場所、それはシーズ自身の裏庭だった。広範囲にわたる捜索活動は、事件の不可解さを解明するどころか、最初の巨大な矛盾を突きつける結果となった。

一人の行方不明者に対し、動員された捜索規模は異例とも言えるものだった。

捜索隊の構成：総勢235名
参加機関：地元警察、消防団3隊、ペンシルベベニア州警察、州警察ヘリコプター
専門チーム： 2隊の捜索犬チーム（死体捜索犬および血痕追跡犬）
その他：親族や知人など、シーズ氏を個人的に知る多数の人々

これほどの大規模捜索にもかかわらず、シーズ氏が発見されたのは失踪から2日後の午後7時54分頃。そして、その発見場所と状況は、捜索活動そのものの意味を問う、信じがたいものだった。遺体は、シーズ氏の自宅の裏口からわずか22.5ヤード（約20.6メートル）、そして235人の捜索隊が何度も往復した未舗装道路からわずか‌‌16フィート4インチ（約5メートル）‌‌の地点で発見されたのだ。彼は、広大な敷地の中で唯一枯れていた一本の木の下に横たわっていた。なぜ、死体捜索犬を含む専門チームが、自宅から目と鼻の先にある遺体を40時間以上も見つけられなかったのか。この一点だけでも、事件は常識の範疇を逸脱していた。

捜索初期に発見された彼のATVも謎を深めている。ATVは自宅から約1マイル（約1.6キロ）離れた場所で見つかったが、鍵がなく、牽引して回収する必要があった。

遺体の発見は安堵をもたらすどころか、事件をさらなる混沌へと突き落とした。発見場所の不可解さに加え、その物理的な状態は法医学的な常識を完全に覆すものであり、公式見解との間に埋めがたい乖離を生み出すことになるのである。

3.0 公式見解と法医学的現実の乖離

当局の公式発表は、一見すると明快だった。「死因はコカインの過剰摂取による中毒死」。しかし、この単純な結論は、現場に残された物理的証拠と科学的現実の前で、その正当性を失っていく。これは単なる見解の相違ではない。公式見解を一片ずつ崩壊させる、直接的な矛盾の数々である。

以下の表は、公式見解と、ウィトコフスキー氏のチームが収集した法医学的・物理的証拠との間に存在する、致命的な乖離を対比したものである。

公式見解・状況	法医学的・物理的矛盾点
死因はコカイン過剰摂取	故人には薬物乱用の経歴が一切ない。検死報告書でも、心臓肥大や鼻腔の問題など、コカイン常習者に通常見られる身体的兆候は全く確認されなかった。
遺体は失踪後約40-50時間で発見	遺体は、その経過時間では到底ありえないほど極度に腐敗が進行した状態（horrendous shape, way advanced stages of decomposition）だった。
遺体は自宅から20ヤードの地点で発見	これほど腐敗が進行した遺体であれば強烈な腐敗臭を放つはずだが、その臭いは家族、235人の捜索隊、そして高度な嗅覚を持つ死体捜索犬によっても全く検知されなかった。家族が主張した「雨で臭いが消された」という説に対し、当日の降水量はわずか0.01インチ。臭いを洗い流すには到底不十分だった。
岩だらけの地形で発見	遺体は靴下しか履いていなかったが、その足裏には、周囲の岩だらけの地形を歩けば当然できるはずの傷、打撲、擦過傷が全く見られなかった。足の状態は「unremarkable（特筆すべき点なし）」と記録されている。
コカイン致死量	複数の医師や病理学者が分析した結果、検出された劣化したコカインの量は、摂取後わずか数分で死に至るレベルと判明。彼がATVを乗り捨てた場所から自宅近くまで約1マイルを歩いて移動することは物理的に不可能だった。

これらの法医学的な矛盾点は、もはや単なる捜査上の見落としでは説明がつかない。むしろ、捜査そのものが意図的に特定の結論へと誘導された可能性を示唆しており、事件の背後に隠された、より複雑で不穏な真実の存在を強く物語っている。

4.0 妨害と矛盾の連鎖：情報封鎖の実態

物理的証拠が不可解であるならば、当局の行動は意図的な隠蔽を指し示している。調査官ブッチ・ウィトコフスキー氏のチームが直面したのは、単なる捜査上の困難ではなかった。それは、関係者による虚偽情報、そして公的機関による組織的な情報封鎖という、厚い壁だった。この妨害と矛盾の連鎖こそ、事件の真相が単なる事故死ではなく、何者かによって意図的に歪められていることを示す最も強力な証拠である。

ウィトコフスキー氏が暴いた矛盾は、事件の透明性を著しく損なっている。

矛盾する証言と曖昧な捜査主体：家族、検視官、地元警察は調査チームに虚偽の情報を提供した。地元警察は自らが捜査主体だと主張したが、実際にはペンシルベニア州警察が主導していた。さらに、報道記者から警察署長、父親、兄弟に至るまで、複数の人物が遺体の身元確認を行ったと主張。しかし、最終的に誰が公式に特定したのかは不明確なままだ。

さらに異常なのは、トッド・シーズという一個人の存在そのものが、公的記録から組織的に消し去られている点である。

消去された個人情報：軍歴、運転免許、狩猟免許など、シーズ氏に関する公的記録はことごとく「一掃」されている。特に彼の社会保障死亡記録は、通常であれば個人の経歴が詳細に記されるはずが、氏名、生年月日、死亡日以外は全て「空白」となっている。これは一個人の記録としては極めて異例の事態である。
削除された報道記録：当初事件を報じた地元の新聞記事は、後に内容が「改ざん」され、最終的には新聞社のオンラインアーカイブから完全に削除された。

州警察の対応は、この情報統制が意図的であることを裏付けている。公式には、事件は「コカイン中毒による事故死」として解決済みとされている。しかし、州警察は情報公開法（FOIA）に基づく開示請求に対し、一貫して「捜査中の事件」を理由に拒否し続けている。ペンシルベニア州法において、これは事件が「殺人」として扱われている可能性が高いことを意味する。そして、最も不気味な事実として、遺体が現場で回収されてから検死台に乗せられるまでの14時間、その所在が全く記録されておらず、完全に不明となっている。

これらの組織的な情報統制と矛盾は、単なる怠慢では説明がつかない。それは真相を隠蔽しようとする明確な意図を示唆しており、事件に超常的な要素が関与している可能性さえも否定できない状況を生み出している。

5.0 地球外要因：UFO目撃証言

従来の捜査の枠組みでは説明不能な数々の矛盾。その中で、事件の謎をさらに深めると同時に、一つの突飛な解釈を提供するのが、トッド・シーズが失踪した当日に報告されたUFO目撃情報である。この証言は、単なる偶然として片付けるにはあまりにも状況と一致しており、事件に地球外要因が関与したという仮説を提起する。

事件当日、シーズ氏の自宅近くで、信頼性の高い複数の目撃者からUFOに関する報告がなされた。

目撃者：地元の漁師2名と農夫1名。
場所：トッド・シーズのATVが発見された場所のすぐ近く、彼の土地を横切る送電線の上空。
目撃内容：彼らは、飛行物体から「下着姿の男性のようなもの」が引き上げられていくのを目撃したと証言した。

この一見奇妙な目撃証言は、シーズが発見された時の状況と驚くほどの一致を見せる。

服装の一致：シーズ氏はカモフラージュ柄のつなぎを着て家を出たが、発見された時の服装は「カットオフジーンズ、Tシャツ、靴下」という軽装だった。この格好は、遠目には目撃者が言う「下着姿」と酷似している。
場所の一致： UFOが目撃された送電線の上空という場所は、彼のATVが乗り捨てられていた場所と地理的に完全に一致する。

公式見解では、シーズ氏が靴下だけで1マイルもの岩だらけの道を、一切の傷なく歩いたと信じることを我々に要求する。しかし、UFO目撃証言は、その不可能な移動に対する、常識外ではあるものの、もう一つの説明を提供する。すなわち、彼はそもそも歩いていなかったのだ。この仮説は、法医学的証拠、公的機関の不可解な対応、そして目撃証言が組み合わさることで、トッド・シーズ事件を単なる未解決事件から、我々の理解を超えた現象が関与した可能性のある、より深遠な謎へと変貌させる。

6.0 結論：未解決の謎

トッド・シーズ失踪事件は、公式見解が提示する単純な物語と、現場に残された数々の矛盾や異常な証拠との間に横たわる深い溝を浮き彫りにする。事故死という結論では到底説明がつかない事実の連鎖は、我々を論理的な思考の限界へと導き、未だ解決されない核心的な疑問を突きつけ続けている。

この事件に関して、今なお答えのない最も重要な疑問点は以下の通りである。

なぜ遺体は2日間も見つからなかったのか？高度に訓練された捜索犬を含む235人の捜索隊が、なぜ自宅からわずか20ヤードの地点にある、極度に腐敗した遺体を40時間以上も見逃すことがあり得たのか。
遺体はどこから来たのか？靴下だけの足に一切の傷がないという事実は、彼が自力でその場所にたどり着いたのではないことを示唆している。遺体は別の場所から運ばれてきたのではないか。そして、回収から検死までの「所在不明の14時間」は何を意味するのか。
なぜ公的記録は消去されたのか？一個人の公的なデータが、これほど徹底的かつ組織的に抹消される背景には、一体どのような力が働いているのか。
公式の死因は真実か？数々の法医学的矛盾を無視して、なぜ「コカイン中毒死」という結論が維持され続けているのか。

トッド・シーズ事件は、単なるミステリーではない。それは、真実の脆弱性を物語る、身も凍るような証左である。この事件は、時に最も恐ろしい怪物が森に潜むものではなく、公的な権威と現実を消し去る力を武器に、白昼堂々と活動する者たちであることを、我々に痛烈に思い知らせる。その真相が白日の下に晒される日まで、この事件は我々の常識を揺さぶり続ける、深く不穏な謎として記憶されるべきである。

UFO 目撃報告の状況

ご提示いただいた情報源は、「未解明事象の分類と事例」というより大きな文脈の中で、‌‌UFO目撃報告‌‌の性質、調査方法、および他の未解明現象との関連性について詳細に説明しています。

UFO目撃報告の性質と事例

ソースによると、UFO目撃報告は、過去数十年の間にその形態が変化しており、調査者であるButch Witkowski氏（以下、BW氏）が目撃した個人的な体験が、彼の調査の動機となっています。

‌‌目撃体験と調査の動機:‌‌ BW氏は1989年に、アリゾナ州ツーソンで、‌‌信じられないほどの大きさ‌‌のUFOが山の上空に静かにホバリングしているのを他の4名と共に目撃したことが、UFO現象の調査を始めるきっかけとなりました。この物体は‌‌焼けた銅色‌‌で、長さは‌‌少なくともフットボール場3つ分‌‌あり、‌‌完全に無音‌‌でした。彼は一人で目撃したわけではないため、自分が「狂っていない」と確信しています。
‌‌報告されているUFOの形態の変遷:‌‌ クラシックな‌‌ソーサー型‌‌（円盤型）の報告は、近年ではほとんど見られなくなったと述べています。現在、UFORCOP（Butch Witkowski氏が設立したUFO Research Center of Pennsylvania）に寄せられる報告の傾向は以下の通りです。
- ‌‌トライアングル（三角形）‌‌と‌‌オーブ（球体）‌‌が最も多い。特に過去3年間でこの二つの形態の報告が最も多くなっています。
- その他の形態として、‌‌葉巻型‌‌、‌‌四角形‌‌、‌‌長くて平らな長方形‌‌も報告されています。
- 警察官である調査員の一人が、非常に大きく、‌‌全く音がしなかった‌‌トライアングルが頭上を通過するのを目撃した事例があります。
- ‌‌発光するオレンジ色のオーブ‌‌の報告は、BW氏のいる州で平均して月に7〜8件あります。オーブの報告数は、1950年代後半の「5年間で約100件」と比較して、現在は‌‌月に8〜10件‌‌に増加しています。

UFO目撃報告の調査方法（法医学的アプローチ）

BW氏は、従来のUFO研究手法では求めている答えが得られなかったため、UFORCOPを設立し、‌‌法医学的（forensically）‌‌に何かが起こったか、起こらなかったかを証明しようとする独自の調査方法を採用しています。

‌‌厳密な科学的検証:‌‌ UFORCOPの目的は、「法医学的に起こり得なければ、それは起こらなかった」という考え方に基づいています。
- 例として、目撃者が1,000フィート上空の木の上で何かを見たと言っても、天候データが吹雪で視界が全くなかったことを示していれば、その報告は作り話だと判断されます。
- 調査機材には、内蔵ラップトップ、インターネット接続、レーダー、赤外線カメラ、テレビグレードのビデオ、Nikonカメラ、Panasonic Toughbookコンピューターなど、現場で必要とされるあらゆる種類の調査ツールが含まれています。
‌‌予備調査と現場検証:‌‌ 現場に出向く前に、報告された場所の過去の目撃情報、地域の歴史的背景を調べます。また、天候も非常に重要です。
- もし同じ光が5年や10年もの間、同じ場所、同じ時間に定期的に目撃されている場合、それは通常、‌‌人工物‌‌（衛星や惑星など）である可能性が高いと判断されます。
- BW氏は、「懐疑的な信者（skeptical believer）」を自称しており、証拠や裏付けがなければ、ただの「もう一つの物語」として扱います。

未解明事象の分類とUFOの関連性

BW氏とMartin Willis氏（聞き手）は、UFO現象が、他の未解明な出来事（クリプティッド、パラノーマル）と密接に関連している可能性があるという視点を探っています。

‌‌現象の統合:‌‌ かつてはUFOロジー、クリプトズーロジー（未確認動物学）、ゴーストハンティング（幽霊探し）は別々の分野でしたが、現在ではこれらを一つの大きな主題として結びつけようとする研究者が増えています。
- 上空で光が目撃された場所でパラノーマルな出来事が起こったり、その逆の事例も報告されています。
- あるゴーストハンティングのグループは、現在、室内を調査する傍ら、空に向けたカメラを設置して、調査中に空で何が起こっているかを確認しようとしています。
‌‌調査プロトコルの違い:‌‌ UFO目撃には調査プロトコルが存在しますが、ペンシルベニア州で報告されているような、人間とオオカミの特徴を併せ持つ未確認生物（クリプティッド）のような現象の調査には、‌‌プロトコルが全く存在しない‌‌という問題があります。
‌‌人体切断（Mutilation）との関連性:‌‌ BW氏は、牛の切断（キャトル・ミューティレーション）を調査する中で、人体切断の事例も調査するようになりました。人体切断は、UFOロジーの「暗い部分」として、これまであまり語られてこなかった領域です。
- ブラジルやニュージーランドで見られた人体切断の事例は、牛の切断で見られるものと‌‌同じ臓器が同じ方法で切除されている‌‌など、多くの類似点があります。
- ペンシルベニア州の失踪事件（Todd Cease事件）では、行方不明になった男性が後に発見されましたが、彼が発見された時の服装（カットオフジーンズ、Tシャツ、靴下）が、事件当日に漁師と農夫が‌‌電力線の上でクラフトに引き上げられる男‌‌（下着姿）を見たというUFO報告の内容と一致していました。これは、UFO目撃報告と、人間が関わる未解決の不可解な事例との間の稀なオーバーラップを示しています。
‌‌行方不明者の統計:‌‌ BW氏は、失踪事件の統計を調査し、1991年から2008年までの間に、アメリカ国内で約69万3千人が「何の痕跡も残さずに」見つかっていない（遺体、衣類、痕跡なし）という事実を指摘し、この未解明な失踪の規模の大きさを強調しています。

未確認生物（Cryptids）調査

ご提示いただいた情報源は、調査員のButch Witkowski氏（BW氏）が率いるUFO調査センター・オブ・ペンシルベニア（UFORCOP）の活動を通して、未確認生物（クリプティッド）の調査が、UFOやパラノーマル現象といった他の未解明事象とどのように関連し、調査されているかについて詳しく述べています。

「未解明事象の分類と事例」というより大きな文脈において、これらのソースが未確認生物（Cryptids）調査について述べている主要な点は以下の通りです。

1. 調査対象としての未確認生物の事例

BW氏のグループは、ペンシルベニア州（PA）で報告されている‌‌「クリプティッド型の生物（cryptid type of creature）」‌‌の目撃情報を積極的に調査しています。

‌‌目撃の場所と形態:‌‌ 報告のほとんどはペンシルベニア州中央部で発生しており、‌‌州立公園‌‌や森林地帯、狩猟区域といった非常に深い森のエリアに限定されています。
‌‌生物の具体的な特徴:‌‌ 2014年7月に最初の報告があって以来、すべての目撃者が一貫して同じ特徴を説明しています。
- ‌‌7フィートから8フィート‌‌の高さ。
- ‌‌巨大な胸‌‌、‌‌筋肉質な腕と手‌‌を持つ。
- ‌‌オオカミのような頭‌‌と‌‌光る黄色い目‌‌を持つ。
- ‌‌鷹の犬のような脚‌‌、‌‌非常に細い腰‌‌。
- ‌‌逃げたり隠れたりせず、その場に留まる‌‌のが特徴です。これはビッグフットのような他の未確認動物との大きな違いとして指摘されています。
‌‌歴史的な一貫性:‌‌ BW氏は、2か月前に受け取った報告と正確に一致する目撃報告が、‌‌1865年‌‌のウェスタンペンシルベニアにも存在することを発見しています。

2. 調査プロトコルの欠如と技術的な課題

クリプティッド調査の最大の特徴は、その分野の未成熟さにあります。

‌‌プロトコルの不在:‌‌ BW氏によると、パラノーマル現象やUFO目撃の調査にはプロトコル（手順）が存在しますが、この種の未確認生物の調査には‌‌プロトコルが全く存在しない‌‌ことが課題となっています。
‌‌法医学的アプローチの適用:‌‌ BW氏の組織UFORCOPは、UFO現象だけでなく、パラノーマルや‌‌クリプトズーロジー（未確認動物学）‌‌のイベントにも対応できるよう、法医学的アプローチに基づいた装備を備えています。彼らは、起こったか起こらなかったかを法医学的に証明しようと試みています。
‌‌技術の限界と適応:‌‌ 最初の現地調査では、森が非常に密であったため、通常のカメラは役に立ちませんでした。調査員の一人が5歩入っただけで見失うほどだったため、数日間座って音を聞くという方法が取られました。また、トラックに積んである‌‌サーマル・イメージング・デバイス（熱画像装置）‌‌を試しましたが、動物がうじゃうじゃいるはずの4,500エーカーの狩猟地で‌‌何も検出されなかった‌‌ことを奇妙だと述べています。
‌‌新たな調査機器の導入:‌‌ この経験を踏まえ、UFORCOPは、‌‌半秒ごとに写真‌‌を撮り、‌‌150度の広角‌‌をカバーできる‌‌新しい監視カメラ‌‌2台を導入し、広範囲の撮影を試みています。

3. 未解明事象の文脈における位置づけ

BW氏およびMartin Willis氏は、未確認生物現象を他の未解明な現象と切り離して考えるべきではないという見解を示しています。

‌‌現象の統合:‌‌ かつてはUFOロジー、クリプトズーロジー、ゴーストハンティングはそれぞれ独立した分野でしたが、現在はこれらを‌‌一つの大きな主題‌‌として結びつけようとする研究者が増えています。
‌‌UFO/パラノーマルとの関連性:‌‌ 空で光が目撃された場所でパラノーマルな出来事が起こったり、その逆も報告されています。BW氏は、この未確認生物が「UFOやパラノーマル現象に由来するものではないと、どうして言えるのか？」という問いかけをしています。
‌‌文化的・超自然的な関連性:‌‌ BW氏は、この未確認生物を「ジャージー・デビル」とは全く異なるとしつつ、‌‌「狼男」‌‌または‌‌「スキンウォーカー」‌‌により近いと推測しています。ペンシルベニア州の歴史的背景（1754年まではインディアン準州で、多くの埋葬地がある）を調査したところ、オクラホマ州の先住民（チェロキー族）のメディスンマンや族長が、その生物が‌‌埋葬地を守るスキンウォーカー‌‌である可能性を示唆したことが述べられています。
‌‌研究の困難さの強調:‌‌ BW氏は、目撃者に恐れを抱かせるようなこの現象を調査するにあたり、「何を探しているのか、見ているのか全く分からない」状態であり、手元にある技術を「何を対象にしているのかも分からないものに投げつけている」状態だと正直に認めています。

このように、クリプティッド調査は、従来のUFO調査の法医学的手法を応用しつつも、独自のプロトコルがない中で、歴史的・文化的な背景も含めて多角的にアプローチされていることが分かります。

abduction 調査

ご提示いただいた情報源は、「未解明事象の分類と事例」というより大きな文脈において、UFO調査員であるButch Witkowski氏（BW氏）が率いるUFO Research Center of Pennsylvania (UFORCOP) が、‌‌誘拐（Abduction）調査‌‌をどのように捉え、実行しているかについて詳しく説明しています。

誘拐（Abduction）調査の性質と増加傾向

UFORCOPは、UFO目撃や未確認生物（クリプティッド）の調査に加えて、誘拐（アブダクション）事件の調査も行っています。

‌‌報告件数の増加:‌‌ BW氏は、過去2年間で誘拐報告が‌‌約20%増加‌‌したと述べています。
‌‌典型的な報告者の特徴:‌‌ 調査員にとって特に注目に値するのは、‌‌長期間（例えば20年前）の出来事を突然思い出した‌‌人々からの報告で、彼らはUFO学に全く関わっていないことが多いです。
‌‌報告者の状態と詳細な描写:‌‌ 報告者は、その経験によって‌‌肉体的、精神的に打ちのめされている‌‌ことが多く、非常に動揺しています。彼らは、何が起こったかについて、曖昧な表現を避け、‌‌非常に詳細に‌‌説明します。
‌‌家族間での連鎖:‌‌ 誘拐事件が「本当に良いケース」である場合、‌‌家族全体‌‌で発生していることが多いです。誘拐されたと思われる子どもだけでなく、兄弟、姉妹、両親、祖父母など、家族全員にその現象が及んでいることがあります。

誘拐調査の専門化と連携

誘拐調査はUFO目撃調査とは異なる専門知識を必要とするため、UFORCOPでは専門家との連携を重視しています。

‌‌専門家への引き継ぎ:‌‌ BW氏は、まず自分で初期情報を収集しますが、それが完了すると、その情報を‌‌専門家‌‌に転送します。これは、長年にわたり誘拐調査だけを専門に行ってきたメンバー（例えばフロリダ支部のDenise Stoner氏）などです。
‌‌専門家の例:‌‌ Denise Stoner氏は、UFORCOPのフロリダグループを運営するメンバーであり、Kathleen Martin氏と共著で誘拐に関する本を執筆しており、MUFONでも誘拐スペシャリストとして非常に活動的です。
‌‌外部専門家との連携:‌‌ もしUFORCOP内の専門家が多忙であれば、‌‌Dr. David Jacobs‌‌のような外部の専門家へ情報が送られることもあります。

誘拐（Abduction）と行方不明者の統計

BW氏は、誘拐調査の文脈で、説明のつかない「行方不明者」の統計を調査しており、これが未解明事象の大きなカテゴリーの一部であると考えています。

‌‌行方不明者の規模:‌‌ BW氏は、FBIが発表する国家犯罪情報センター（NCI）の統計に基づき、1991年から2008年までの間に報告された行方不明者‌‌13,861,065人‌‌のうち、‌‌5%‌‌（693,053人）が‌‌「痕跡なしに」‌‌発見されていないという驚くべき事実を指摘しています。
‌‌痕跡の欠如:‌‌ この5%の行方不明者は、遺体、衣服、その他の痕跡が全く見つかっていない人々です。
‌‌世界的な欠如:‌‌ BW氏は、この統計は米国FBIによるものですが、アフリカや中国、ヨーロッパなど、多くの国や地域ではこのような統計が取られていないため、世界全体で見ると、痕跡なく消えた人々の数は「とてつもない」と述べています。

UFO目撃と行方不明者の関連事例（Todd Cease事件）

BW氏が長年調査している‌‌Todd Cease事件‌‌は、行方不明（または死亡）とUFO目撃報告が重なり合う稀な事例として言及されています。

‌‌事件の概要:‌‌ Todd Cease氏は2008年にペンシルベニア州の自宅近くの森で行方不明になり、数日後に自宅からわずか‌‌22.5ヤード（約20メートル）‌‌の場所で遺体となって発見されました。死因はコカイン過剰摂取とされましたが、彼の薬物乱用の経歴がなく、遺体の状態（死後硬直や腐敗の兆候がない、あるいは異常に進行していた）や、捜索隊が見つけられなかったことなど、多くの矛盾点があります。
‌‌UFO報告との一致:‌‌ Cease氏が行方不明になった日、彼のATV（四輪バギー）が発見された場所の近くにある‌‌電力線の上空‌‌でUFOが目撃されたという報告が提出されていました。
‌‌服装の奇妙な一致:‌‌ ‌‌2人の漁師と1人の農夫‌‌が、UFOが上空のクラフトに‌‌下着姿の男‌‌を引き上げているのを目撃したと報告しました。 Cease氏の遺体は、発見時、防寒用のカモフラージュのつなぎ服ではなく、‌‌カットオフジーンズ、Tシャツ、靴下‌‌という姿でした。これは、目撃された「下着姿の男」の描写と、彼が発見された時の軽装が一致する可能性があります。

このように、誘拐調査はUFORCOPの活動の一部として、専門家チームによって実施されており、UFO、人体切断（ミューティレーション）、そして大規模な行方不明者の謎といった、他の不可解な現象と密接に関連付けられながら、その実態が探求されています。

Todd Sees 事件の異常性

承知いたしました。ご提示いただいた情報源は、UFO調査員であるButch Witkowski氏（BW氏）が2008年にペンシルベニア承知いたしました。ご提示いただいた情報源は、UFO調査員であるButch Witkowski氏（BW氏）が2008年にペンシルベニア州で発生した‌‌トッド・シース（Todd Cease）失踪・死亡事件‌‌について、‌‌事件の異常性‌‌を詳細かつ具体的に指摘しています。

この事件は、BW氏が調査した中で「おそらく最も奇妙な事件」であり、BW氏の組織UFORCOP（UFO Research Center of Pennsylvania）のコールドケースユニットが現在も捜査を続けている‌‌未解明事象‌‌として、UFO目撃報告と行方不明事件の関連を示す稀有な事例として扱われています。

以下に、ソースが指摘する事件の異常性を説明します。

1. 遺体の発見状況と捜索活動の矛盾

トッド・シース氏の遺体が発見された状況は、通常の捜索活動や死体発見の常識と著しく矛盾しています。

‌‌極端に近接した場所での発見:‌‌ 遺体は自宅からわずか‌‌22.5ヤード（約20メートル）‌‌の場所にある木の下で発見されました。
‌‌捜索隊による見落とし:‌‌ 捜索には地元警察、3つの消防隊、2つの捜索犬チーム（死体捜索犬を含む）、ブラッドハウンド犬チーム、州警察のヘリコプター、州警察官、親族など、‌‌約235人の捜索者‌‌が参加しましたが、誰も彼の遺体を発見できませんでした。
‌‌遺体の異常な腐敗進行（高度な分解）:‌‌ 遺体は発見時、‌‌高度な腐敗段階‌‌にあり、この短期間でそのような分解が起こるのは「不可能」であると指摘されています。
‌‌嗅覚による検出の欠如:‌‌ 真夏に高度に分解された遺体が裏庭の裏口から20フィート、捜索隊が通行した道路から15フィートの場所に横たわっていたにもかかわらず、捜索隊が‌‌遺体の匂いを嗅がなかった‌‌のは奇妙であるとされています。
- 家族は雨のせいで匂いがしなかったと主張しましたが、BW氏が確認したところ、その日の降水量は‌‌0.01インチ‌‌であり、臭気を消すほどの量ではないことが判明しました。
- 死体捜索犬は土の下6フィートの遺体でも問題なく発見できるため、その犬たちが遺体を見つけられなかったことも異常とされています。

2. 公式の死因と薬物乱用歴の矛盾

公式に発表された死因は、彼の背景と矛盾しています。

‌‌公式な死因:‌‌ 検視解剖の結果、死因は‌‌コカイン毒性（Cocaine Toxology）‌‌、すなわちコカインの過剰摂取とされました。
‌‌薬物乱用歴の欠如:‌‌ シース氏には‌‌薬物乱用の経歴が全くなかった‌‌ことが判明しています。交通違反以外の逮捕記録も見つかっていません。
‌‌他科医の見解:‌‌ BW氏が入手した毒物検査報告書を他の医師や病理学者に提出したところ、彼の体内にあった‌‌分解されたコカインの量‌‌では‌‌数分以内に死亡‌‌しており、ATVの場所から自宅まで歩いて戻ることは不可能だったと述べています。
‌‌遺体の清潔さ:‌‌ 彼の遺体は、コカイン使用者に通常見られる心臓、肺、鼻、喉などの異常な兆候がなく、「ピンのように清潔」だったとされています。彼は長年リトルリーグのコーチを務めていましたが、チーム関係者は彼が薬物を使用していた可能性を笑い飛ばしています。

3. 公式報告の不信感と情報の隠蔽

事件に関する公的機関や関係者の対応にも異常性が指摘されています。

‌‌情報の欠如と隠蔽:‌‌
- 事件発生から解剖台に乗るまでの‌‌14時間‌‌、遺体がどこにあったのか‌‌不明‌‌です。
- 家族や検視官、警察がBW氏に‌‌嘘をついた‌‌ことが、黒白はっきりした証拠（メールなど）で確認されています。
- 地元の新聞記事は内容が何度も‌‌改ざん‌‌され、BW氏らが調査を始めて以来、‌‌新聞アーカイブから削除‌‌されています。
‌‌身元確認の曖昧さ:‌‌ 新聞記者、警察署長、父親、兄弟、地元警察官など、5〜6人が遺体を識別したとされていますが、‌‌今日まで誰が遺体を識別したのか不明‌‌です。
‌‌公的記録の消去:‌‌ 社会保障死亡索引（SSDI）などの公的記録から、彼の結婚、職歴、学歴など‌‌個人的な情報のほとんどが消去され‌‌、生年月日と死亡日のみが残るという「とんでもない」状態になっています。
‌‌FOIA請求への不回答:‌‌ 警察署および州警察に対し、情報公開法（FOIA）に基づいて情報開示を求めましたが、‌‌一切回答が得られていません‌‌。
‌‌未解決事件としての扱い:‌‌ 死因がコカイン中毒と断定されているにもかかわらず、州警察は情報公開を拒否する理由として、事件が‌‌「オープンケース」‌‌であると主張しています。ペンシルベニア州で死亡事件をオープンケースとして維持できる唯一の方法は‌‌殺人事件‌‌であるため、BW氏は「誰による殺人か？」という疑問を提起しています。

4. UFO目撃報告との関連性

この事件がUFO調査の文脈で極めて異常とされる最大の理由は、失踪当日のUFO目撃報告との不可解な一致です。

‌‌UFO目撃の報告:‌‌ シース氏が行方不明になった日、彼のATVが発見された場所（自宅付近の大きな電力線が走る場所）の‌‌上空‌‌でUFOが目撃されています。
‌‌目撃内容の一致:‌‌ 2人の漁師と1人の農夫が、クラフトが電力線の上で‌‌下着姿の男‌‌を上空に引き上げている様子を目撃したと報告しています。
‌‌遺体の服装の一致:‌‌ シース氏が発見された際、彼はカモフラージュのつなぎ服ではなく、‌‌カットオフジーンズ、Tシャツ、靴下‌‌という軽装でした。これは、目撃者が遠くから見た「下着姿の男」という描写と一致しています。

BW氏は、これらの異常な状況—遺体の近すぎる発見場所、高度な腐敗、薬物乱用歴の欠如、公的記録の消去、そしてUFO目撃報告との一致—が、この事件を極めて不可解で異常な未解明事象として位置づけている主な要因であると結論づけています。

人体切断 : Human Mutilations

ご提示いただいた情報源は、「未解決の特異な事件」というより大きな文脈の中で、UFO調査員であるButch Witkowski氏（ご提示いただいた情報源は、「未解決の特異な事件」というより大きな文脈の中で、UFO調査員であるButch Witkowski氏（BW氏）が、‌‌人体切断（Human Mutilations）‌‌を、UFOロジーにおける‌‌「暗い部分（black part）」‌‌であり、深く関連する現象として調査していることを示しています。

BW氏にとって、人体切断は、従来のUFO研究者が無視してきた、しかし無視できない特異で未解明な事件のカテゴリーです。

以下に、ソースが人体切断について述べている主要な点を説明します。

1. UFOロジーにおける人体切断の位置づけ

人体切断の報告は、長年にわたりUFO研究者から敬遠されてきた歴史があります。

‌‌「暗い部分」としての側面:‌‌ 1960年代初頭から、ウマやウシの切断（キャトル・ミューティレーション）で見られるものと‌‌類似した奇妙な傷‌‌を負った人体の死体が発見されたという噂がありました。しかし、ほとんどのUFO研究者によって「趣味が悪い」として退けられ、‌‌今日に至るまで‌‌、UFOロジーの中で「本当に語られることのない‌‌暗い部分‌‌」となっています。
‌‌調査の動機:‌‌ BW氏自身は、ウシの切断（キャトル・ミューティレーション）を調査する中で、人体切断の事例に遭遇し、この多数の事例を調査し始めたと述べています。

2. 人体切断の事例と異常な共通点

報告された人体切断の事例は、その切断方法と発見時の異常な状態において、ウシの切断と多くの共通点を持っています。

A. ブラジルのグアダパランガ・ダム事件 (1988年)

BW氏が「すぐに心を打たれた」事例として挙げているのが、1988年にブラジルのサンパウロ近郊にあるグアダパランガ・ダムのほとりで発見された遺体です。

‌‌切除された部位:‌‌ この男性の遺体からは、以下の臓器や部位が‌‌外科的に切除‌‌されていました。
- 両目、左耳、内耳、下顎、内喉、舌。
- 筋肉、組織、腺が取り除かれた、‌‌1インチから1.5インチの穴‌‌が、肩、胸、へそ、太ももに開けられていました。
- ‌‌睾丸‌‌が摘出されていました。
- ‌‌前立腺‌‌は尿道管を経由して摘出されていました。
- ‌‌腸‌‌はへそに開けられた穴から摘出されていました。
- ‌‌肛門‌‌は結腸までくり抜かれていました（cored out to the colon）。
‌‌発見時の異常性:‌‌
- 発見当時の気温が高かったにもかかわらず、遺体には‌‌膨張の兆候（bloating）が全くありませんでした‌‌。
- ‌‌死体臭（body odor）も全くありませんでした‌‌。
- 現場には、傷口の周りの斑点状の血痕を除き、‌‌血液が全く見つかりませんでした‌‌。
- ‌‌死後硬直（rigor mortis）‌‌や‌‌死斑（liver mortis）‌‌も見られませんでした。

B. 類似事例と国際的な発生

‌‌ニュージーランドの事例 (1994年):‌‌ 1994年のニュージーランドの事例では、発見された男性が‌‌ブラジルの男性と基本的に同一の方法で切断されていた‌‌と述べられています。
‌‌エジプト・ベニマザール事件 (2005年):‌‌ 2005年にエジプトのカイロ近郊で発生した事件では、‌‌3家族‌‌がブラジルの男性と‌‌全く同じように‌‌「屠殺された（butchered）」と報告されており、家の中のあらゆるもの（犬や猫など）も同様に殺害されていました。
‌‌米国内の事例:‌‌ 米国内では、知られている限り‌‌11件‌‌の人体切断の事例が報告されています。特に1956年のニューメキシコ州ホロマン空軍基地での‌‌サージェント・ロベット事件‌‌は、軍曹がクラフトに引き上げられ、2日後に切断された状態で発見された事例として知られています。
‌‌共通点（ウシ・ウマとの類似）:‌‌ 人体切断とウシ・ウマの切断は、‌‌同じ臓器‌‌が‌‌同じ方法で‌‌切除されているなど、多くの類似点があります。切断は‌‌高い精度‌‌で行われ、電気メスで見られるような‌‌焼灼の痕跡（burn mark）‌‌が見られません。
‌‌被害者の特徴:‌‌ 驚くべきことに、現在報告されている人体切断の事例は‌‌全て男性‌‌であり、女性の事例は報告されていません。
‌‌場所の共通点:‌‌ 遺体はすべて、ブラジルのダムの島や、ニューメキシコ州の砂漠、高山の牧草地など、‌‌非常に人里離れた遠隔地‌‌で発見されているという共通点があります。

3. 法医学的な異常性と切断時の状況

BW氏が法医学的観点から特に異常だと指摘しているのは、「生体反応（Vital Reaction）」の存在です。

‌‌生体反応の確認:‌‌ 法医学では、負傷が死の‌‌前‌‌に負ったものか、‌‌後‌‌に負ったものかを判断するために生体反応が重要です。
‌‌生体反応の証拠:‌‌ ブラジルの事件の検視報告書（BW氏が入手し翻訳させたもの）によると、頭蓋骨を摘出した際に、‌‌多数の小さな血腫（massive hematomas）‌‌が見つかりました。これは、犠牲者が「押しつぶされるような怪我」など、‌‌極度の苦痛‌‌を経験し、血管が破裂したことを示唆しており、この切断行為が‌‌彼が生きている間に‌‌行われたことを意味します。
‌‌生存中の切断仮説:‌‌ ウマの切断事例（スニッピー号のケース）でも、切断時に馬が直立していたという証拠から、‌‌生きた状態‌‌で切断が行われた可能性が示唆されています。

4. 切断の目的に関する仮説

この特異な行為の背後にある動機について、BW氏はプエルトリコの調査員の仮説に言及しています。

‌‌エンドルフィン収集説:‌‌ プエルトリコの調査員は、「宇宙の同胞（space brethren）」が‌‌エンドルフィン‌‌を求めている可能性があると考えています。エンドルフィンは、‌‌極度の幸福感‌‌（例：大金を受け取る）または‌‌極度の苦痛‌‌（例：万力で手を締め付ける）の両方によって放出されます。この仮説は、切断された犠牲者が生きていた間に極度の苦痛を経験したという法医学的な証拠（血腫）と結びつけられています。

5. 調査の困難さと組織的な無視

この現象の調査は非常に困難です。

‌‌調査員の欠如:‌‌ BW氏は、‌‌人体切断を今も調査しているのは自分だけ‌‌だと考えています。
‌‌公的機関の不信:‌‌ エジプトの事例では、切断された家族を殺害した罪が、犯行現場から35マイル離れた、自分の身の回りもできない‌‌知的障害者‌‌に押し付けられました。これは、公的機関がこの種の特異な事件の真実を追及する意図がないことを示唆しています。
‌‌UFOとの関連:‌‌ 別の未解決事件であるトッド・シースの失踪・死亡事件（2008年、PA）では、彼の遺体が発見された時の軽装（カットオフジーンズ、Tシャツ、靴下）が、失踪当日に電力線の上空で「‌‌下着姿の男‌‌」がクラフトに引き上げられるのを目撃したというUFO報告と一致しており、人体切断や誘拐といった不可解な現象とUFOの関連性が示唆されています。

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Butch Witkowski, UFOs, Abductions, Mutilations, 04-13-2016

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQeg_WPDR2s

Apr 14, 2016 PodcastUFO Live Show

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（以下は、"Butch Witkowski, UFOs, Abductions, Mutilations, 04-13-2016" と題された Podcast の話者識別付きの文字起こしです。語り手は Butch Witkowski で、聞き手は Martin Willis です。）

[Martin Willis] : All right, everyone. So a little bit about our guest. Butch has been an independent researcher since 1989, when he, along with four other people, witnessed a UFO of unbelievable size, quietly hovering above a mountain in Tucson, Arizona. And it was totally silent. And that's one of the things that, you know, baffled me the most about my own sighting is that it was silent. It was burnt copper in color, and at least three football fields in length. Well, Butch began his own investigation into the UFO phenomena on that very day. (00:19:22)

[Martin Willis] : He joined MUFON in 2007, and he was able to dig deeper into the past and existing cases and pursue even more on-site investigations. But his research was still lacking something, and he wasn't getting to the crucial answers that he was seeking. It was this time that he decided to go about his work in a different manner. And after almost a year of serious reflection and consideration, Butch started UFO Research Center of Pennsylvania in 2009. And he brought together some of the best like-minded and long-time researchers he could find. (00:19:59)

[Martin Willis] : We'll talk more about that. And so hang on just a minute. We'll be right back with our guest Butch Witkowski. Welcome to the show, Butch. (00:20:39)

[Butch Witkowski] : Thanks for having me on. (00:20:41)

[Martin Willis] : Thank you. And this is another thing sometimes, you know, I probably shouldn't bring it up at all, but we almost didn't get this thing together. Right. That's the thing about live shows, you know, anything can happen. And my Skype wasn't talking to your Skype and phone issues weren't working on and on and on, but we did it. We're here. (00:21:03)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yep, got that solved. (00:21:06)

[Martin Willis] : That's right. So Butch, I always look around for, you know, different people in the UFO field. And your background was fascinating. I watched you lecture on YouTube and thought you'd be interesting to have on the show. And I always say it doesn't have to be someone totally mainstream. It's always fun to have different views. And it's one of the reasons I love doing the show. So why don't you tell the listener your background? (00:21:39)

[Martin Willis] : I just told the story of how you got interested in UFOs. But let's hear your background. You were involved in criminal investigation or something like that in the past? (00:21:49)

[Butch Witkowski] : Law enforcement. And then after the sighting, I took an interest in trying to find out what I actually witnessed there in Tucson with others. I should mention that every sighting I've ever had, I've never been alone. So I know I'm not crazy. And like you said, I just I was just needing to go about it a different way. I wasn't getting the answers I wanted. And after spending a small fortune on a library and all this other stuff that you need to do on the internet, and you know, talking to people and going to conferences and this and the other thing, I decided to start the UFO Research Center. And we started in 2009, with one group, we now have 12 groups, two in Europe, and 10 in this country. (00:22:33)

[Butch Witkowski] : Florida, Georgia, Utah, Oklahoma, to name a few. All the researchers involved are all longtime researchers, either, you know, on their own or with MUFON. They encompass current and former police officers. We have a federal judge, we have photographic analysts, we have psychiatrists, we have private detectives, we have abduction research specialists. And we do it a little differently than most groups, because what we try to do is prove that something happened or didn't happen forensically. Because if it didn't couldn't happen forensically, then it didn't happen. (00:23:20)

[Butch Witkowski] : So if somebody tells me that they saw something above the trees at about 1000 feet, and then I look at the weather and find out that there was no visibility whatsoever, it was a blowing snowstorm, you pretty much know it was, you know, an up story. (00:23:32)

[SPEAKER_06] : Mm hmm. (00:23:33)

[Butch Witkowski] : But when you go out, and you spend a day or two or three on a case on site, and we have two mobile units here in the state, they're fully equipped. Matter of fact, we just replaced the one we got a brand spanking new one. And they have everything in them from, you know, built in laptops and internet connections, radar, every type of investigative tool that you can need on the scene of anything. I don't care if it's a paranormal event or a UFO event or a cryptozoology event, we have all the equipment on there. (00:24:08)

[Butch Witkowski] : The only difference between the truck and the East Coast on the east end of Pennsylvania, sorry, which is parked down in front of my place, the one that's out in the west end of Pennsylvania, is that we have repelling gear in this truck, and that other truck has dive gear because he's a certified diver. Other than that, the trucks are equipped the same. We have our own personal radio channel, we actually have six, and everything's either military grade or police grade in the units. And it really works out very well because I can go, well, we just took a fast trip down to Virginia to investigate some body parts that were found. (00:24:49)

[Butch Witkowski] : And we had everything to do what we had to do, including take DNA and everything else. So, I mean, there's very few groups, I would say probably maybe, I don't think there's any out there to do that. Everybody kind of does the old talk to the person that made the report. Some look at the area, some never go to the area. Cameras, we have infrared, we have television grade video. All our cameras are Nikon, all our computers are Panasonic Toughbook. So, we have canopies, we have tents we can set up, we have tables, chairs. (00:25:29)

[Butch Witkowski] : I mean, we've got everything we need. We can go out, we can actually spend seven days in the field without leaving the truck. (00:25:34)

[Martin Willis] : Wow. Now, where does the money come from to get these babies on the road? (00:25:40)

[Butch Witkowski] : My pocket. (00:25:43)

[Martin Willis] : Really? It's privately funded? (00:25:45)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yes. We don't take donations. We don't solicit any donations. And I did that for a reason. You know, once you start asking for donations or people, you have a donor that's really giving you some serious money, you're kind of beholden to somebody. And I don't ever want that to be said about us. That, you know, well, the only reason we're agreeing with him is because he gave him a check for $1,000. I'm like, I don't want everyone to hear that. (00:26:14)

[Martin Willis] : Sounds like campaign contributions. (00:26:16)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah. So we do it on our own. Now we do take old equipment that people don't use anymore, because we do have a couple of folks in our group that just can't afford to go out and buy equipment. So if somebody wants to donate an old camera or an old tape player or something, a video camera or something like that, we'll take that and send it to them. But that's the only type of donations we ever take. (00:26:42)

[Butch Witkowski] : And I think we took two cameras and video camera and I think somebody sent us a bunch of star maps one time. So that's pretty much all we've ever taken. And I'm really not really not into that. I mean, there's always there's always bad vibes with that. I just don't want to get involved in that drama. (00:26:59)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah. OK. Now, if anyone wants to call in, I do believe our phone is working. You can call and ask the guest a question. If you're listening live, you can jump excuse me, jump in the chat room as well and ask a question. The phone number is 603-967-4030. Where do you get your your calls on? How does someone get a hold of you that has witnessed something? (00:27:24)

[Butch Witkowski] : We have a website www.uforkop.com. And there's a contact thing at the bottom of the page where they can send in their report or if they just want information, we'll do we'll we'll analyze photographs for people. We'll research our databases for something maybe somebody's looking for from the past or present. Tell people where they can get stuff. You know, we operate a little differently. We're pretty much open to everybody. (00:27:57)

[Butch Witkowski] : We'll help anybody. We've traveled pretty much all over the eastern half of the country. And we do conferences. We don't charge for that. We do a lot of speaking engagements. We don't charge for that. So it works out very well. I mean, I think that the group's years past got away from dealing with the public except for yes, you know, you know, I'm saying that they more or less deal with the next book they're going to write or the next white paper they're going to print. And they kind of left that getting really involved with the case that kind of went by the wayside. (00:28:39)

[Martin Willis] : So let's let's hear a situation where you have used some of this equipment in your your trucks and and trying to solve a situation. (00:28:52)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, a lot of times they are, you know, let's say we're going out and we're going to do a StarWatch. You know, we'll set up canopies, tables, get our computers out and set up all the cameras, get the infrared out, get everything out we need. And that's pretty much done at almost everything we go to. Not so much that we'll set up cameras, but if we think that, you know, an individual seeing something, you know, weekly or monthly or a certain time of the day or or during a certain type of weather. We've gone out to snowstorms already where a guy said he kept seeing flashing lights off in the distance. (00:29:33)

[Butch Witkowski] : So we went out and we sat in a truck and we watched and and we got our photographs and went in there and told me he was watching a tower flashing red. (00:29:41)

[Martin Willis] : And, you know, the thing I live on top of a mountain and another mountain over there is a tower that's flashing. And when it's like snow or something like that, the light really does carry. So I totally understand. But you would think that if you live there that you'd be used to that. (00:30:00)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, and the guy lived there for like 30 years. So either he really wasn't paying attention or he never looked in that direction before. We've recently, we have a lot of sightings right now, a lot of reports, not sightings, but reports in Pennsylvania of a cryptid type of creature that we've already had one expedition. We got three, four, five, six more scheduled in different parts of PA. Most of them are occurring in central Pennsylvania of people seeing this unknown creature of sorts. (00:30:29)

[Butch Witkowski] : And when we went out there, their technology was beat because the woods were so thick that I had one of my guys walk in five steps and I lost him. So cameras would have been useless. So it was just one of those sit for a couple of days and listen and see if we could pick up anything that way. And we walked around with thermal imaging devices, which we have on the trucks and the thermal cameras picked up nothing. So I thought that kind of strange being that I was in the middle of 4,500 acres of prime game land that was just teething with animals. (00:31:01)

[Butch Witkowski] : And we heard nothing, saw nothing, didn't hear one sound, had nothing recorded on any of the cameras that we did have up like the GoPros and stuff. So now we went a little different this time. We got, we just got cameras, two new cameras, they're surveillance cameras, and they'll take a photograph every half second. And they cover 150 degree angle, wide angle. So with two of those, we should be able to pick up pretty large piece of real estate and photograph it. (00:31:29)

[Martin Willis] : Now, I heard Stan, I was talking to Stan Gordon. And there's a, you know, he was saying how many different, like cryptic things are going on in Pennsylvania. And this one particular person that was reporting this unusual, I think that's what you used. What can you describe what they thought they were seeing? (00:31:52)

[Butch Witkowski] : Oh, well, they all every, every report we have, everybody describes the same thing. We don't have anybody that veers off from this original description that we started back in July of 2014. Seven to eight foot tall, massive chest, muscular arms with hands, hawk dog legs, very thin waisted, wolf like head, glowing yellow eyes, and it stands its ground. It does not run. It does not hide. (00:32:21)

[Martin Willis] : And they're all saying the same thing. And there's no way this could be some type of hoax. (00:32:26)

[Butch Witkowski] : Nope, no way. These people have no idea. And what really set me straight on that in the very beginning of the research, which is going into its third year now, is the fact that I found reports, exact reports that I could match up against the report that I got two months ago from 1865 in Western Pennsylvania. (00:32:46)

[Martin Willis] : Oh, geez. Now, someone posted up on the message board, the Jersey Devil. Does that have anything to do with this? (00:32:54)

[Butch Witkowski] : No, totally, totally different. This is more, oh, I saw somebody just posted werewolf. Yeah, you could probably get it close to more of a werewolf or maybe a skinwalker. Because, you know, like Bigfoot, they hide. They don't want to be seen. This thing, if you see it, and like the last guy that saw one, he was just walking. And they all take place in a state park. No place outside of a state park do we have any. (00:33:22)

[Butch Witkowski] : These are all taking place in heavily wooded areas, game areas, and state open park areas, which are very large parks. And the last guy was standing less than 30 feet away when he saw it, and it never took his eyes off him. He kept his eyes on it, and he started backing out. And it just stared at him. It just followed him all the way out the trail with its eyes. And, I mean, this guy still shakes and shimmers when he talks to me about it. (00:33:53)

[Butch Witkowski] : So... (00:33:55)

[Martin Willis] : I can't imagine seeing something like that. You know what I mean? (00:33:58)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, I'm hoping to see something like that, but I just don't really, to be honest with you and your listeners, I don't have any idea what I'm looking at or what I'm looking for. Because, number one, you know, there's protocols for investigating the paranormal. There are protocols for investigating UFO sightings. There's no protocol for investigating anything like this. (00:34:17)

[SPEAKER_06] : Right. (00:34:18)

[Butch Witkowski] : At all. (00:34:18)

[SPEAKER_06] : Yeah. (00:34:19)

[Butch Witkowski] : And, you know, the indigenous population of the United States, the Cherokee especially, use, you know, the wolf is mostly their sightings as a wolf creature with their skinwalkers. And skinwalkers are not very nice. I mean, they're very dangerous from what we've gathered from those folks out there in Oklahoma and from what we've read up on. And, you know, what it is, I have no idea. I'm trying to keep an open mind about it. (00:34:50)

[Butch Witkowski] : And until I get something on film, which is probably all I'm going to be able to do, I really don't even know what I'm looking for. (00:34:58)

[Martin Willis] : Now, is there any Native American culture in that area? You know, when I think of skinwalkers... (00:35:06)

[Butch Witkowski] : In Pennsylvania, we had no white men in Pennsylvania until 1754. Up until then, this was Indian Territory. There were, I believe, nine tribes. Susquehannock were the biggest. There were Iroquois, Mohawk, Susquehannock, Delaware. So the Susquehannock were the biggest. They were the warringest tribes. They were at war with everybody. And, you know, it's so... the place is full of burial grounds. And when we contacted people, indigenous out in Oklahoma, and talked to a medicine man and a chief, they told us that, you know, being that the ground was just loaded with burial sites, that you could be dealing with a skinwalker that is basically guarding over those sites. And he warned us right up front, don't touch anything, don't take anything. (00:36:10)

[Butch Witkowski] : If you do find something, don't take it, leave it alone. And they sent us some stuff to help protect us, which I have no idea what that's all about, but we will do what they say. And only because I have no idea what to do. I mean, I'm just... I'm out there throwing technology at something that I don't even know I'm throwing it at. I have no idea. (00:36:30)

[Martin Willis] : Excuse me, pardon me. So we try to stick... you know, this kind of thing really fascinates me, and we do try to stick more to the UFO topic because we have, you know, a lot of people listen to the show for that particular reason. But I don't care if we, you know, spin off a on things like that. It really is interesting to me. And it just, to me, it just goes along with UFOs in a way that is just another unexplainable, you know... (00:37:05)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, or, and like one person said to me, how do we know that it's not something from a UFO or from the paranormal? Right now, linking the paranormal into one big subject, which would be ufology, cryptozoology, and, of course, ghost hunting, is not so far away. There have been paranormal events that have taken place where lights have been seen in the sky. There have been lights seen in the sky where something strange took place on the ground, whether it was a crypto sighting or a paranormal event. So I don't think they're that far apart anymore. (00:37:45)

[Butch Witkowski] : I mean, at one time they had held their own separate little rooms, but I just don't see that anymore. I mean, more and more researchers are trying to connect one with the other, where I just read an article where a ghost hunting group, and that's all they do is hunt ghosts, they are now setting up cameras facing the sky while they're in doing what they're doing. And they're trying to see if anything goes on in the place that they're investigating inside, if anything's going on in the sky outside, which I thought was a pretty neat trick. (00:38:17)

[Martin Willis] : Excuse me. One of the things, I think UFOs get a little bit of a separation. Now, I do realize there's a heck of a lot of unexplained things. I've had a few things happen in my life that were unexplainable that were really interesting, still are. But I think UFOs are a little different in a way that, you know, the mass sightings, the radar returns, all that, whatever it is that there seem to be so much closer to grasp than some of the other things that we encounter, like ghosts and cryptids. (00:39:02)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, sure. And one of the biggest things is, I mean, you can look at tons of evidence on UFOs. I mean, we still get, on the average, about seven or eight reports of glowing orange orbs in our state. We've got a very good picture one, which was taken by a student at a university. We have... it's just triangles. Triangles and orbs right now in the last, I would say, three years are the most that we're getting reports on. (00:39:36)

Right. (00:39:37)

[Butch Witkowski] : The last one being one of my guys, who's actually a police officer, was coming home from work and he spotted one crossing the highway above him and, you know, turned around and tried to follow it as long as he could. (00:39:49)

[Martin Willis] : You're talking about a triangle or an orb? (00:39:52)

[Butch Witkowski] : No, this was a triangle. (00:39:54)

[Martin Willis] : Uh-huh. Yeah. (00:39:55)

[Butch Witkowski] : And very large. And it just... he said it was so large it had to make a noise, but it made no noise whatsoever. Because he stopped the car and got out right along the highway, and he said, I didn't hear a thing. And he said, it passed right over top of me. And it had two very small lights in the middle, which really weren't any particular color. He said it was just... (00:40:27)

[Butch Witkowski] : it was like looking at an old lava lamp, if you remember those. (00:40:29)

[Martin Willis] : Oh, yeah. (00:40:30)

[Butch Witkowski] : And then not too long after that sighting, we had another one in Exeter, Pennsylvania, which is right down the road from the other sighting of a similar object. Again, a triangle, but it was followed by three orbs above it. And the orbs were red in color. (00:40:49)

Yeah. (00:40:49)

[Butch Witkowski] : And they got some pictures, but they used a camera, a phone camera, and it didn't really outline the triangle. You could see the orbs, but not make out the triangle too well. (00:41:04)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah. Now, there was some up on the chat room, people saying that one guy says, I missed the saucers. I love that. (00:41:14)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, you know what? There hasn't been... I haven't seen or read of any reports of saucers in years. I mean, they're either coming through as cigar shape, triangle, squares, orbs. Another one that started popping up about two years ago was a long, flat rectangle. So I don't, you know, the classic saucer, I haven't seen one of those reports in years. I've seen some photographs that were taken or supposedly taken recently. But when you look at the photographs, you can, you know, it'll take you five minutes to figure out that they were photoshopped. (00:41:58)

[Martin Willis] : Wow. You know, that was the sighting I had in 2006, was definitely a disc. And, you know, you're right. I've talked about that a number of times that it seems like, you know, maybe that's the old model and the new model is the triangle. This year's model. But no, it's really strange. I think it's strange that it would change or that we'd be seeing something different. And that could be something simple, like if we are being visited from another species out there, let's just say. (00:42:32)

[Martin Willis] : I never like to say we are definitely, it's definitely extraterrestrial. I'd say it's most likely or it could be. (00:42:39)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, you know, when you investigate this stuff after a while, you better have a really open mind because I know I've read things, I've seen things, I've been involved in things that for the life of me, with all the technology we have, I can't figure out. Nobody else can either. And I've got 64 people that I can show this to or talk to about something. And if they can't come up with anything and I can't come up with anything, you know, it's just another thing. (00:43:07)

[Butch Witkowski] : It's unexplainable. But when you see something travel across the sky from horizon to horizon, zigzagging all the way in a matter of an eye blink or two, that's not ours. We don't have anything that fast. Or you're standing there talking with a state trooper and he says, oh, what's that? You see something zigzagging and it stops, drops, makes a U and comes back up and then continues on its way. And he doesn't think anything of it because he sees them all the time. (00:43:32)

[Butch Witkowski] : That's the first time I've ever seen one in my life like that. So, you know, it's whatever's out there, whether it be ufology, the paranormal, cryptozoology, we have answers for some things and we have others that we have no answers for. (00:43:48)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, yeah, I know. And, you know, that's one of the main reasons I'd like to do this show is just to... I'm not thinking that it's most likely that I will ever know what the heck is going on, but it's always... the interesting part is to explore, hear people's sightings and also people's ideas on what they may be seeing or what they possibly could be. That's one of the things that really keeps me in it. (00:44:20)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, and I like calling myself a skeptical believer because, you know, without the evidence or proof, you're just telling me another story. And I've heard and read thousands of those. So, you know, I try to stay on a level path with this. You know, it could be this, it could be that, or it could not be this, or it could not be that. And then, you know, make up my own mind, write my report, and that's it. (00:44:50)

[Martin Willis] : Now, while we're on this subject, along these lines, why do you think someone in the science field doesn't want to try to really look at this hard? Now, there are some people, but it's few and far in between. (00:45:04)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, it's the same, most likely the same reason that the government's never going to disclose anything. I mean, I know there's a lot of people that say, oh, well, disclosure is going to happen next week, next month, next year. You're never going to have any disclosure because for them to disclose, they'd have to admit to lying for the last 50 or so years. And the same thing happens with scientists who've been poo-pooing it now for whatever time. (00:45:30)

[Butch Witkowski] : If it did came, those guys, their credibility would be shot in a millisecond. So it's easier to stand there and be a skeptic than it is to be a approver of truth and evidence. And even then, when you do come out with proof and evidence, somebody will come after you and say you manufactured it. You know, it's a big hassle. So I think, you know, I often laugh. People say, well, when do you think there'll be disclosure? (00:46:01)

[Butch Witkowski] : I said, when somebody, one of those things lands in some farmer's yard, and he's smart enough to call the news before he calls the police. (00:46:07)

[Martin Willis] : Wow. You know, I talked, I had a conversation a while ago with Dr. Melba Ketchum, you know, the Bigfoot DNA research. And, you know, she, like, just, a very nice lady, by the way, and she just, you know, through caution to the wind, and all her background and many years of her work that she has done, she can now no longer testify in court. You know, many things, because she just took this subject seriously. And that's what can, that's what can happen. (00:46:46)

[Martin Willis] : And she's had death threats, she's had a place where she was going to speak, someone actually bombed it, just, you know, prior to when she was going to be there. So it's amazing. Where, you know, people can just, people don't want to have anything, something big like this looked at seriously, it seems. (00:47:11)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, no, well, they don't, because, I mean, first of all, look at how many folks, but let me put it to you this way. I have 12 books here on my shelf, I'm looking at, in amongst 1,500 of them, but there's 12 on the shelf I keep separately. They're all written by different authors. They're all on Roswell Crash, every one of them. Which one am I supposed to believe? (00:47:31)

[Martin Willis] : Are they all, pardon me, they all different accountings? (00:47:36)

[Butch Witkowski] : All different. Every one is different by a different author, so which one do I believe? (00:47:39)

[Martin Willis] : Good point, yeah. (00:47:43)

[Butch Witkowski] : And you have, you have, this guy says this, and then this guy says, well, that guy's nuts, this is what really happened, and then that guy says, this guy's crazy, because that's not what happened, the first guy was right, or sort of right, but my idea is better. And then they wonder why people are confused when they talk about UFOs, so they talk to people about UFOs. I mean, they've been fed garbage for so long that, you know, I would say out of all these books, there might be a dozen or two that I may say would be close to factual, and then when you find out that the people who wrote these books never saw a UFO, or never went out in the field and investigated a UFO, that's a little disheartening to me. (00:48:26)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I think there are some good people out there that are trying to do a good thing. (00:48:39)

[Butch Witkowski] : Oh, absolutely, there are people out there. Excellent job. MUFON has a crap load of good investigators, but they're kind of hampered, because when they do an investigation, that investigation ends when they turn it into a CMS file, and that's the end of it. (00:48:55)

[Martin Willis] : Let's talk a little bit about that. You know, I don't want to MUFON bash, but there's... (00:49:00)

[Butch Witkowski] : Oh, no, absolutely not. (00:49:01)

[Martin Willis] : But I do get, I actually do get a lot of contacts from people that are, that do feel that way, and feel like a lot of things are not available to, you know, do more work on. And that's one of the things... (00:49:15)

[Butch Witkowski] : But people have to understand that, you know, you're talking about an organization that's got a lot of folks, and if they had to equip those people and get them all out in the field, that would be tons of money. And the independent researchers, you know, like J.C. Johnson that investigates paranormal things out in the four corners of this country, I mean, he's self-funded, and he travels all over four states, but if he was with MUFON or any other large group, he couldn't do that, because they're not going to fund him to do that. You know, they wouldn't, they're not going to fund my $90,000 truck with equipment out there. (00:49:55)

[Butch Witkowski] : No way. So, although there are, and we have MUFON members in my group, and they're very good, and they've been there a long time, and they know what they're doing. But I have more, I give them more access and the benefit of having the equipment they need on the spur of the moment, which I don't think MUFON can do till this day. They couldn't when I was involved as a STAR team member and a chief investigator. They couldn't do it then, and I don't think they could do it now. (00:50:27)

[Martin Willis] : So when you were an investigator, did you ever hear any rumblings of, you know, the possible CIA connection with MUFON? (00:50:37)

[Butch Witkowski] : Oh yeah, I think that probably started at day number two after they started MUFON. Look, everybody's going to look for something to discredit somebody. It doesn't matter. They'll say, you know, MUFON's owned by Bob Bigelow, or MUFON is a government agency in a clandestine operation. MUFON throws away their reports. That's all silly. That's not factual. MUFON is just a big organization that collects a lot of data and has a lot of investigators out there collecting data. So as far as that goes, I give them kudos because I did it with them. (00:51:21)

[Butch Witkowski] : I did it for them, and it takes a lot of work, and it's out-of-pocket expenses. Not as much as doing it on your own, but they'll be around for a long time. I mean, I know people saying that I've heard and I've read on the internet that, you know, they're going to... you know, just getting done. You know, they're just going to fold, they're going to do this, and it's going to happen next month and next month and next month. That's silly. (00:51:49)

[Butch Witkowski] : It's just nonsense. MUFON will be around a long time. It's a good operation. How they control all those people is beyond me. I don't know what they have, 3,500 members or something like that. It's crazy. It's about 3,500, right? That's just crazy. (00:52:04)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah. Now, we actually had a guest on the show, and he does listen to the show, who actually had a first-hand incident that happened right in front of them, was an actual tie at one point. This is going back to the 1980s, where a convention... if you are listening, and you are welcome to call in and share your story once more. He was on a while back. 603-967-4030 is the number if anyone wants to call in and ask our guest a question. (00:52:42)

[Martin Willis] : So, I don't know. The thing you do hear is that they were infiltrated or whatever, because they wanted to know what information that was being gathered out there. Whether that's true or whether they'd even bother, I have no idea. (00:52:58)

[Butch Witkowski] : Why would they bother? I mean, they got the CIA, the DOD, they got spooks all over the place. They wanted to find out something about you, me, or anybody else, or any group that's out there. They could do that without them ever knowing about it. They wouldn't have to buy the business or infiltrate the business. They could just do it. End of story. They could watch all their email, they could watch every conversation, they could listen to everything they're saying, and they wouldn't know the difference. So, I think that's just... (00:53:25)

[Butch Witkowski] : The conspiracy theorists kind of make me crazy, because... (00:53:29)

[Martin Willis] : I was just going to ask you if I sounded like a conspiracist. (00:53:33)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, you know, you can make a conspiracy... You know, give me your birthdate and I'll make a conspiracy out of it. You know? You can make a conspiracy out of anything. But when you want to get to the real bottom line, you've got to deal with fact. Fact and evidence. That's what you need. You need to have the evidence, you need to have the facts. Could it happen? (00:53:53)

[Butch Witkowski] : Did it not happen? Go to the scene, talk to the people face to face. I don't do any interviews with anybody unless they're out of state or they're too far away to go over the internet or by phone. I try to do everything face to face, because I can see what they're talking about. I can see what facts they're going to present. I'm looking at them right in the eye, you know? And they're showing me what they saw, where they saw it, and I can, you know, do a lot of things to find out if that could happen or not. (00:54:28)

[Butch Witkowski] : That circle in their yard that's been growing now over the damp season for the last two years is mold. You know, I even carry a sample of it to show them. So it's not a crop circle or it's not a landing site of a UFO. And, you know, we've investigated, well, a little over 2,500 cases now since 2009. (00:54:58)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, I want to talk to you a little bit about some of the cases you've investigated. But before that, before you make the trip out to actually speak to someone, what type of preliminary information do you need before you actually pack up your truck and go there? (00:55:15)

[Butch Witkowski] : Okay, what we'll do is we'll, of course, take the original location. And then we'll do a background on the location, see if there are any other sightings in that area, that county, that street or whatever, and try to get as much as we can historically, doing some background research from years back. I'll go back sometimes, you know, five or ten years. And, you know, if there's the same lights being seen in the same time in the same place over a period of five or ten years, well, then I'm probably dealing with something that's man-made. You know, especially when somebody gives you explicit directions, like I see it in the northwest sky every once a month or something like that. (00:56:02)

[Butch Witkowski] : It usually turns out to be either a satellite or a planet. And then you have... weather is very important. And then when you get on the scene, you know, and you hear the story, now, did this story change from the time I got the report to the time now that I'm on the scene? That's another kicker that gets me, you know, the story changes. Or we get a me-too-ism, and a me-too-ism is the neighbor coming over when he sees the truck parked out front and says, yeah, I saw it, me too, I saw it. So, but background research is very important before you even get to the scene. (00:56:46)

[Butch Witkowski] : I mean, you have to know what the background is of the area. Is there an Air Force base or is there a testing area for missiles nearby or is there anything nearby that could, you know, that could cause what they saw? And then you just take it from there and then just follow up on it and just keep going until you come to your conclusion. (00:57:04)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, with everything you have invested in your time, you want to make sure no one's going to waste it, that's for sure. (00:57:09)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, well, and I've had it wasted, but sometimes the waste is good because something will always come up where they'll say, well, you know, the guy that owns the bar down the street, you know, he saw something one time about, and you go down to the bar and you talk to that guy, you know, and he may put you in a better direction or maybe he'll back up what the other guy said or vice versa. (00:57:30)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, right. Now, someone just in the message room wanted to know, what are some of the cases you've investigated? (00:57:38)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, we have some active ones right now that have been going on for years. I see a lot on your chat room about Todd Cease. That's still an ongoing case. The Todd Cease case started in 2008, and we've been on it ever since. We have a cold case unit that works the case. And it's probably the strangest case I've ever investigated on anything. (00:58:06)

[Martin Willis] : I'm not familiar with it. And I can give you... (00:58:10)

[Butch Witkowski] : I'll give you a quick... Yeah, go ahead. Todd Cease was a gentleman, 34 years old, that one morning, as he did many times during deer... pre-deer season, would get on his ATV and go up into the woods, a very heavily wooded area in Northumberland, Pennsylvania, and look for deer, spot deer for the coming season. He was an avid archer. And he was last seen that day at 1 a.m. And got on his ATV and took off into the woods and told his wife he'd backpacked at... (00:58:45)

[Butch Witkowski] : He has... Somebody just correct me, 39. Yeah, okay. Trying to remember everything about this case from the beginning. He went into the wooded area and didn't return. And at 2 o'clock, the family got nervous, and the wife called the police, reported him missing. Family member showed up, brother's, father, and they all went looking for him, son, trying to find him. They couldn't find him. They did locate the ATV. They saw the ATV, which was approximately one mile from the home. (00:59:18)

[Butch Witkowski] : They brought... They couldn't bring it back because they couldn't find the keys, and they wound up telling it back later. But the search went on. About 235 searchers we found out were the actual searchers that showed up, which would have been local police, two fire... three fire companies, two search dog teams, one cadaver dog and one... well, one set of cadaver dogs and one set of bloodhounds. There was a state police helicopter in the sky. (00:59:45)

[Butch Witkowski] : There were state troopers on the scene also. Many people that knew him, a lot of folks, relatives, everybody out looking for him. And nobody finds this guy. And a lot of this stuff, we have not posted very much on this case on the internet because it's still ongoing. But everything that we have gotten on the case, we don't rely on the original reporting of the case, which was all taken from a newspaper, which was doctored many times and has now been taken off the newspaper archives since we've been investigating. Everything we've gotten so far in the last six years is in black and white. (01:00:29)

[Butch Witkowski] : We've had everything done where we didn't ask anybody for a phone answer. We got everything on their letterheads. We have the autopsy report. We have a toxicology report. And what happened was that they didn't find him the first day. The second day, they didn't find him until... it was about 7 something in the evening, 754, I believe it was, that the body was located. He was identified and removed from the scene. (01:01:02)

[Butch Witkowski] : Autopsy followed and he was found to have died of a cocaine toxology, overdose of cocaine. Now, kind of a simple thing, right? But it turns out that he had no drug abuse background. We could find no arrest records other than a traffic ticket. All his personal information, like on the social security death site and military records, driver's license, hunting license, none of that even appears anymore anywhere. He's pretty much been wiped clean. (01:01:35)

[Butch Witkowski] : Family doesn't talk about it. Family lied to us a couple times. We caught him on that and it's all in black and white. I mean, it was emails back and forth with family members. The coroner lied to us. The police lied to us. Police said they were the investigating team. It turned out they weren't. The state police were. The body was in... how can I say this? The body was in horrendous shape when it was found. (01:02:03)

[Butch Witkowski] : It was in the way advanced stages of decomposition. And the kicker is that this body was only 20 yards from the house when it was found. (01:02:15)

[Martin Willis] : So where does the cocaine play into this whole thing? (01:02:20)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, that's what was given as the cause of death. (01:02:23)

[Martin Willis] : And it's a mystery because he had no background, no... (01:02:27)

[Butch Witkowski] : Not only did he have no background, but when we took all the toxicology reports and stuff that we have directly from where they were supposed to come from, the coroner, when we took all that official paperwork to other doctors and pathologists, they said the amount of cocaine, degraded cocaine that was in his body would have killed him within a matter of a couple minutes. There is no way he could have walked from that ATV back to his house. And besides that, if you have a decomposing body in the middle of summer, laying in your backyard, 20 foot from your back door and 15 feet from the road that all these searchers were driving up and walking up to get to the search scene, didn't smell this guy? (01:03:11)

[Butch Witkowski] : Cadaver dogs? I've worked with cadaver dogs. They can find a body six foot under dirt, no problem. They can find a body underwater. So... (01:03:22)

[Martin Willis] : Dad, now I'm going to say this. Did David Palladis ever look into this? (01:03:26)

[Butch Witkowski] : No. (01:03:27)

[Martin Willis] : Do you know who I'm talking about? (01:03:28)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, yeah. I know David very well. David is more in the missing persons end of it. This guy wasn't really a missing person, but for... I forget how many hours now, off the top of my head. But he... This is a guy whose background had nothing to do with drugs of any types, of any type. And if you wanted to kill this guy for whatever reason, in that area, you could walk up in the middle of the night or when he went up there, like 5 a.m. or whatever it was, and shot him in the head. (01:04:01)

[Butch Witkowski] : Nobody would have paid any attention because the place is loaded with rattlesnakes. They have the rattlesnake round up there every year. So gunshots going off day and night in those woods means nothing. Or you could have just walked up and hit him in the head with a hammer. You know? (01:04:15)

[SPEAKER_06] : Yeah. (01:04:15)

[Butch Witkowski] : So how does this happen that the guy disappears and nobody sees this guy or smells this guy? Well, then the family said, well, it rained that day. Well, I was quite quick to, you know, I could check that in a matter of minutes. Check that. And I said, yeah, it did rain that day. She said, that's why I didn't smell it. I said, well, that's a little hard to believe because your area for that day only received 0.01 inches of rain. That doesn't even get my windshield wet. (01:04:42)

[Martin Willis] : Now, you know, this is becoming familiar to me, I believe. Was he like either mangled or something was really weird about him as well? (01:04:55)

[Butch Witkowski] : His what? (01:04:56)

[Martin Willis] : Was he like mangled or something? (01:04:58)

[Butch Witkowski] : No. (01:05:00)

[Martin Willis] : Or charred? (01:05:01)

[Butch Witkowski] : No. And the very first information that came out about this case was a UFO researcher, Peter Davenport, that was garnering all his information from the newspaper. And I mean, the newspaper lady said she was in one of the people at in her news article, original news articles, which are no longer available. She took them all off. She said that she identified him. Well, then the chief of police said he identified him. Then the father said he identified him. (01:05:29)

[Butch Witkowski] : Then the brother said he identified him. And then a local police officer, he identified it. So we have all these five or six people identified him. But till this day, we do not know who identified the body. (01:05:41)

[Martin Willis] : That's really strange. That sounds like a real bizarre case. (01:05:45)

[Butch Witkowski] : All his personal information is just missing. It's gone. It's not there. It's not there. His, you know, on the Social Security death index, which anybody can look up, look up your grandfather. It'll have who he was married to, when he got married, where he worked, where he lived, you know, where he was born, where he went to school. All this information, how many kids he had, the names of the kids. When they were born, that's all in the Social Security death index. (01:06:11)

[Butch Witkowski] : You know what's on his? (01:06:12)

[Martin Willis] : What? (01:06:13)

[Butch Witkowski] : A J.C.'s. Born, blah, blah, blah. Died, blah, blah, blah. Rest, blank. (01:06:18)

[Martin Willis] : Very unusual. (01:06:20)

[Butch Witkowski] : No, that's not unusual. That's outrageous. I mean, there is nothing about this guy. Now, to get back to the beginning of the story, the day of the sighting, okay, a UFO report went in that said that there was an object above the power lines, which is where the ATV was found. There's a big power line that runs up along his property. He has 10 acres. And they, two fishermen and one farmer down the road, say that they see what looks like to be a guy in his underwear being pulled up into this craft. (01:07:00)

[Butch Witkowski] : Okay, and then the craft takes off. Now, when he is found, there are many people saying, he was found like this, and he was found like this, and he was facing that way, and he was facing this way. Well, in the autopsy reports, it tells you exactly how he was found. He was found in his cut-off shorts. He actually had started out with a full-body, what do they call them? A one-piece suit of camouflage. (01:07:30)

[Martin Willis] : Like a jumpsuit. (01:07:31)

[Butch Witkowski] : When he's found, he is found in his cut-off jeans, a t-shirt, and socks. So that matches what that UFO report said that those gentlemen saw. Now, everybody plays off on that and says, well, you know, this, that, and whatever. And I'm just reading some of the comments coming across your thing here. It just said the FBI was involved. No, the FBI was not involved. And local law enforcement had nothing to do with the case whatsoever. (01:08:05)

[Butch Witkowski] : The case was handled by the Pennsylvania State Police, right down to the viewing of the autopsy and the taking of evidence from the autopsy scene. So a lot of stories floated about that. But I can tell you this, when I started this investigation, I had a little half-inch binder with about 20 pages in it. I now have two eight-inch binders that are filled with documented evidence of what happened, who said what, when it happened, who was there, who wasn't, where the body was found. We've gone to the scene, to the house. (01:08:38)

[Butch Witkowski] : The house was taken to sheriff's sale after it was actually sold by his wife. And then whoever bought it defaulted on their loan. And it went to sheriff's sale. And we actually got to walk the property, photograph and video the property inside and out. And we found the tree it was found under. It's the only dead tree on the property. And to be exact, it's 22.5 yards from the back door. (01:09:07)

[Martin Willis] : Yards, uh-huh. (01:09:09)

[Butch Witkowski] : And from this road that goes up along the house that takes you into the woods, where he would have went with his ATV to go up through there, he, I think it was 16 feet and four inches, right edge to edge, edge of the tree to edge of the road. Now, to believe their story or the story that's being told, all these researchers had to walk past this guy for two days. He's in a case of advanced decomposition that is impossible to happen in that short a period of time. (01:09:44)

[Martin Willis] : It sure seems that way, doesn't it? (01:09:49)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's, it's not, it's not, it's not strange. It's bizarre because everybody relates back to the original case. And even when I talked about it originally, I was, you know, I was wrong because I didn't have that information then that I have now. I didn't talk to people or family members or the coroner or the police or the state police or anything like that. We just had one of our guys up there last April. The police, he went to the police station to get information on a FOIA request that we sent, and we've not had one FOIA request from that police department answered. (01:10:25)

[Butch Witkowski] : Not one. We haven't had one of our FOIA requests answered by the state police either. We've been told that they can't give that information out because it is an open case. Now, the death has been attributed to cocaine toxicity. So it's not an open case. The death has been documented as cocaine toxicity. So the only way you can keep an open case in the state of Pennsylvania is murder. So murder by who? (01:10:53)

[Butch Witkowski] : Now that takes us in another direction. Did he owe somebody money? Was he messing around with somebody's wife? But I mean, it looks like they went to a great length to, you know, put that much cocaine into a guy. I mean, if using cocaine, there are certain things that happen to the body. I mean, the heart, especially the lungs, the nose, different things fail, but they show a telltale sign. His body was as clean as a pin. (01:11:20)

[Butch Witkowski] : Other than scrapes and bruises and bangs and knocks and a few lacerations, the body was pretty much undocumentable. He had no signs of enlarged heart or kidney issues or liver issues or nasal issues or throat issues. But yet he was this, according to them, this wild cocaine-using fanatic who, when we talked to the Boy Scout, I mean the Little League baseball team that he coached for many, many years, they just laughed at us. And they said, look, this guy even had the slightest inkling of doing any kind of drugs. (01:11:57)

[Butch Witkowski] : Do you think we'd let him around these kids? You're crazy. He said, this guy didn't buy cocaine. And here's the kicker. So from the time the body's picked up till the time it hits the autopsy table, we have 14 hours where we don't know where that body is. (01:12:11)

[Martin Willis] : Wow. (01:12:13)

[Butch Witkowski] : So. (01:12:14)

[Martin Willis] : What a crazy case. (01:12:16)

[Butch Witkowski] : You're telling me, man. (01:12:18)

[Martin Willis] : Wow. And I know we're going into the second hour. I ran a little long into this, but that's fine. I wanted to switch gears a little bit, but also kind of along this same subject, I want to talk, as I mentioned in the beginning of the show, that we're going to go a bit off the UFO topic. And that is possibly off the UFO topic. Who knows? (01:12:42)

[Martin Willis] : But human mutilations, kind of similar. But before we get into that, you mentioned that you also do a lot of abduction or you do some abduction investigations. Yes, we do. That, to investigate an abduction, must be much harder to do than a UFO sighting. How does that work? (01:13:02)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, abduction cases are usually... I mean, an abduction case that really catches your mind are abduction cases that usually come from folks that all of a sudden have a recollection of something that happened 20 years ago, and they're not involved in ufology. They wouldn't know how to go by a ufology book or an abduction book if they had to. And they're distraught. They're pretty much physically and mentally destroyed by it. They're very... (01:13:32)

[Butch Witkowski] : They know what they saw. They know what they went through. And they describe it in very great detail. They don't... How should I say? They don't flutter around with descriptions of what they thought may have happened to them. They're pretty much right on the money. And a lot of things happened in childhood. A lot of things happened that just... You're just shaking your head, you know? I mean, it's like, wow. (01:14:05)

[Butch Witkowski] : And when you do get into one that's a really good case, you'll find that it wasn't only that child that was seemingly abducted, but it was the brother, the sister, the mother, the uncle, the father, the grandfather. It ran through the whole family. And that's when you start bringing in specialists. I start bringing in people that that's all they do. I'll take all the initial stuff and then I'll transmit that to one of our folks, maybe in Florida or Georgia, who that's all they do and have done for many, many years. As a matter of fact, Denise Stoner, one of the folks that runs our Florida group, her and Kathleen Martin wrote a book together on abductions. (01:14:47)

[Butch Witkowski] : And she's very active with MUFON as an abduction specialist. So I really take it so far and then I'll turn it over to them. And if they're busy, then it'll go to Dr. David Jacobs. (01:14:59)

[Martin Willis] : Now, when you were saying you go through all this, you hear or I hear everywhere that it's like more and more and more people are claiming. And you're seeing that as well? (01:15:13)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yes, we've had about a, I'm going to say to be on the safe side, about a 20% increase in the last two years of abduction reports. (01:15:24)

[Martin Willis] : Wow. Yeah, that's that's pretty high. Pretty high. (01:15:30)

[Butch Witkowski] : That's a lot. (01:15:30)

[Martin Willis] : And, you know, I hear the numbers. Sometimes you hear people say, you know, in the possibly in the millions and just, you know, like a percentage of our society, you know, you hear this and I don't know, you know, even if a small, tiny, well, let's just put it this way. Even if one out of those supposed millions actually was abducted, that would be big time news. (01:15:55)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, when I first started doing statistics, trying to find out just about how many people were ever reported missing, I mean, that set me back in my chair. I couldn't talk for 20 minutes. I went back to 2008. I used the NCI statistics, which is the National Crime Information Center put out by the FBI. That means that when people see in their newspaper or they might get a blurb or something on the Internet, they'll say that, you know, that such and such town, here's their crime report for the last year while they always run a year behind. So and on that report, which every police department in this country, I don't care if the sheriff, state police, local police, it doesn't matter if they're law enforcement, they have to fill this form out. (01:16:41)

[Butch Witkowski] : And on the form, it'll ask questions. It's kind of like yes or no, or how many, how many bicycles were stolen, how many rapes to jab, how many murders occurred, how many gun thefts to jab, you know, that kind of stuff. And that's how they tally the crime statistics for the country. OK, pretty simple. And also on there is missing person reports, murders, runaways, the whole bit. So I went back and researched that. (01:17:04)

[Butch Witkowski] : It's open to the public. Anybody can do it. So I started in 1991. And I actually started, I did the first research in 2008, and I came up with it had 778,164 missing persons filed. Now, 95 percent of those are found, not like David's. (01:17:25)

[Martin Willis] : I was just going to ask you about that. OK. (01:17:27)

[Butch Witkowski] : About 95 percent are found, not like David's part where pretty much nobody's ever found. And now about 75 percent of those are runaways under the age of 18. About 20 percent are spousal abuse, murders, elderly walkaways, ransom, you know, kidnapping, that kind of stuff. But 5 percent, 5 percent are never found. So that just for 2008, that means that 38,908 people were never found. OK, so I went back to 1991 and totaled all the missing reports from 1991. And that came up to 13,861,065. Using the same math with that 5 percent, it showed that 693,053 people are never found. (01:18:12)

[Butch Witkowski] : No trace. Man, woman, child. No clothing, no body, no nothing. (01:18:16)

[Martin Willis] : Now, if they were found like five years later, would it, you know, like living somewhere? (01:18:21)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, it would take it off. It would take them off. Yeah. Oh, in 17 years, you had 40,795 people gone off the face of this planet. (01:18:31)

[Martin Willis] : Totally amazing. And someone could be, say, murdered and buried or something like that. (01:18:39)

[Butch Witkowski] : Oh, yeah. But the 5 percent means that they've never been found. No trace has ever been found. No body, no parts, no clothing, no nothing. And we're not talking about criminals here or wild maniacs or anything like that. We're talking about everyday people. So now, the United States does this through the FBI. But now, take a country like, say, South Africa or just Africa, where whole villages have disappeared. They don't take any statistics. (01:19:09)

[Butch Witkowski] : So whether there were 50 people in that village or 5,000 people in a village, they're gone. China doesn't do it. I mean, good places that have these... Nobody in Europe does this. So they have no idea how many people are missing. So if you look at the 40,700 a year since 1991, what's that say about the rest of the world? I mean, that's crazy. (01:19:36)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, it's amazing. It really is. And it's pretty scary, actually. (01:19:41)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yes, it is. (01:19:43)

[Martin Willis] : Think about it. So now, I heard one of the lectures, I listened to what you were talking about. You got into the human mutilations. And where do you think the connections, how does all that fit into everything? (01:19:58)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, back in the early 60s, rumors were all about, you know, they came to the forefront of human corpses were being found with strange wounds, like the same type found in cattle, cattle mutilations. And they were just dismissed as in bad taste by most ufologists. Nobody wanted to get involved in that. Until today, it's still the black part of ufology that's really never talked about. But I started looking into it because I was looking at actually cattle mutilations. And I started coming up with all these cases. (01:20:33)

[Butch Witkowski] : And I felt like, well, man, there's a lot of cases here. So the one that really struck home right off the get-go is the Guadaparanga Dam in Brazil case and took place in 1988. The Guadaparanga Dam is a man-made dam that supplies water to San Paolo. A very great fishing spot for the locals also. So a couple of guys in a boat are out doing their fishing thing, and they spot what they see is a body, looks like a body on the shore. So instead of being like most people would go check it out, these guys went and got the cops. (01:21:09)

[Butch Witkowski] : So the cops showed up, and they show up with a forensic team. Yay for our side. That doesn't usually happen. So at the crime scene, this guy is found with the following items surgically removed. His eyes, his left ear, his inner ear, lower jaw, inner throat and tongue. There are one inch to one and a half inch holes in the following areas of his body, which were the muscle, tissue, glands, all removed. Shoulder, chest, navel, thigh, testicles removed. (01:21:42)

[Butch Witkowski] : Prostrate gland was removed via the urethral tube. Intestines were removed via a hole in the navel. Anus was cored out to the colon. Body presented no signs of bloating, which in itself I think is pretty remarkable due to the high heat in that area at that time of year. He should have been blown up like a balloon. And there was no body odor whatsoever. Neither was there any blood found at the scene, other than some speckles of blood around the wounds themselves. He is laying there. (01:22:15)

[Butch Witkowski] : All the photos are taken. The body was never touched until everything was done. So it was really done properly in the right order. And then we get the autopsy report. Which was made public years afterwards. And the death was due to massive trauma. Now, the really strange parts about this is just the opposite of Todd Cease. This guy was, Todd was dead 40 to, I forget, 40 to 44, something like that, 50 hours or something like that. But the time of death placed on this guy was 40 to 72 hours before discovery. (01:22:54)

[Butch Witkowski] : No bloating. No liver mortis. No rigor mortis. No noticeable blood at the scene. And one of the things that pops up in the autopsy report is the term vital reaction. Now, vital reaction would use, a lot of lawyers, police use that because the term vital reaction really indicates the response of a living body tissue to an injury. So if I take a knife and I stab you in the arm, you're going to pull away. Well, when you pull away, you're going to cause some ripping, tearing, blacking, blue around the wound and stuff like that. (01:23:30)

[Butch Witkowski] : And it's really important in forensic medicine, because it really, it helps to attempt to establish that an injury was inflicted before death or after death. So in other words, if you're dead and I take a knife and stick it in, you're just going to be a hole from the knife. No blood, no bleeding, no black and blue or anything like that. But one of the things that vital reaction does mean is that in this case, when they did the autopsy, when they removed the skull, they saw massive hematomas, many hematomas, very small, but many of them. That would only be found in a very, like say a crushing injury where somebody was pinned in a car or crushed against a wall with a piece of machinery. (01:24:19)

[Butch Witkowski] : They didn't die right away. They were alive. And all this pain, you know, they're going through all this pain, agony in their brain, you know, and all of a sudden these small blood vessels start to burst. And that really means that when this took place, when this guy was, I'll use butchered for a better use of any other word, he was alive. Now we have one animal mutilation like that. The case of Snippy, I can't remember Snippy's real name, but that was the name the newspaper gave this horse. (01:24:53)

[Butch Witkowski] : The investigators are on the scene and the horse is laying on his side. And the one investigator says, there's something strange here. He says, in his words, he said, you know, the eyes were removed and the viscous fluid should have run off the horse laying on his left. It should have ran off to the left side, correct? And the guy goes, yeah. He said, well, look at this. And he's looking at the horse and the viscous fluid actually ran straight down the nose and off the end of the nose. (01:25:20)

[Butch Witkowski] : So the horse was upright when his eyes were removed. So the horse was alive. Now there's a researcher in Puerto Rico who's working on this now for about, I don't know how many years, probably a lot longer than I'm alive, maybe. And he says, he thinks that our space brethren are going after endorphins. Now, what causes endorphins? If I run up to you and I say, damn, Martin, here's a million dollar check. It's all yours. (01:25:56)

[Butch Witkowski] : Cash. Just go spend it. Your endorphins are going to go nuts, right? (01:26:00)

[Martin Willis] : They just did. (01:26:01)

[Butch Witkowski] : The same thing would happen if I put your hand in a vice and start to turn the vice closed. Your endorphins would go crazy. So it's a good reaction, bad reaction. And he's trying to put this together with these human mutilations. Now, there are a number of mutilations that have taken place. I mean, there's a number of cases. They've been documented back over in England, back into the 14th, 15th century, where they found a local who disappeared and 24 hours later, somebody found him hanging in a tree. And he had these strange holes in his body and parts of the interior were missing. (01:26:42)

[Butch Witkowski] : There's a number of those. Another case that was really fascinating, I did get to talk to the lawyer that was handling the case for the gentleman, was in Cairo, Egypt, in an area called Benimazar, which is right outside of Cairo. This took place in 2005, where three families were butchered exactly like this guy. Everything in the house was butchered. I think if they had goldfish, they were butchered. Everything was gone. (01:27:17)

[Butch Witkowski] : Everybody was killed, men, women, children, dogs, cats, whatever. And they blamed it on a gentleman who was retarded, mentally retarded, had the mentality of about a four or five-year-old, didn't even know his own name, lived 35 miles from the scene of the crime. And they pinned the crime on him. They had no other suspects, so he was likely. And that case drove on for years. And then finally, you know, they got him acquitted. (01:27:46)

[Butch Witkowski] : And I did get to talk to his lawyer. And till this day, till right now, if this guy wants to go outside, I don't care if he wants to go outside of his property line. You know, if he wants to go outside that wall and take a walk on the street, they have to call the police. A police officer will come and escort him. If he's going to go to the mosque to pray, police. Shopping, police. (01:28:08)

[Butch Witkowski] : And if he doesn't call the police and he goes outside those parameters, he will be locked up for life. (01:28:14)

[Martin Willis] : And this is someone who was acquitted? (01:28:16)

[Butch Witkowski] : He was acquitted, yes. (01:28:18)

[Martin Willis] : Unreal, wow. (01:28:20)

[Butch Witkowski] : But those were the conditions of him being acquitted. (01:28:22)

[Martin Willis] : I see, yeah. (01:28:23)

[Butch Witkowski] : These things have to take place till he dies. (01:28:24)

Wow. (01:28:26)

[Butch Witkowski] : This is a guy who can't even tie his own shoes. (01:28:29)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, and 35 miles away, that's... (01:28:33)

[Butch Witkowski] : 35 miles away, he has to have help to eat, to go to the bathroom, to take a bath. I mean, this guy is basically a walk-in bowl of vegetable soup. And they... to do what... to do all the things that were done to the guy in Brazil, or, like, are done to cattle, which are pretty much exactly the same. Same organs taken, same parts, all taken the same way. Bingo. There's a guy nailed with it. (01:29:01)

[Martin Willis] : Now, I have heard... I don't think anyone has talked about the human mutilations on this show. I've had Chris O'Brien and a few other people, Linda Moulton Howe, I think, talked about a little bit on this show before. But is there... so, one of the things that Chris O'Brien said, a lot of times there is blood in the corpse of the cattle. It's just everything, you know, settles to gravity. (01:29:28)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yes. But not that much. I mean, if you've ever seen a cow butchered, you won't believe the amount of blood that comes out of that animal. I went to an abattoir just to see it, to see, because I've never seen it before, so I went to see it. When they open that animal up, I mean, the floor, which is probably in a room about 16 by 18, is covered in blood from one animal. (01:29:50)

[Martin Willis] : Hope no one's eating right now. (01:29:52)

[Butch Witkowski] : But you have Chuck Kowski, who's a long-time researcher, remember, as a matter of fact, he's the cattle researcher for MUFON. And Chuck has also found, you know, small pools of blood here and there. But that's stuff that's draining out of small veins. I mean, we're not talking about... we're talking about an animal that's been, you know, opened up front, rear, top, bottom, and you've got this little cup or so of blood. Well, what happened to the gallons that were in there? (01:30:20)

[Butch Witkowski] : They're not on the ground. They're not on the ground. And places where these animals have been found, years, many years have gone by where you can go to that exact spot and nothing is growing there. I mean, it could be in the middle of a wheat field. And that animal carcass where it laid, there's nothing growing where that carcass laid. So, you know, although there are not many researchers that do cattle mutilation, um, they pretty much all have the same thing going as far as what they do. And one of the things Chuck was really excited about was he had an EMF detector and he was actually getting a hit on a cow recently, recently killed. (01:31:05)

[Butch Witkowski] : And he was, this thing was moving, whatever it was inside this cow's body was moving and he was picking it up on the EMF detector. So there was something electromagnetic in that cow that was moving around in that cow. And when he got to the other side, it disappeared. And it went back to where it started and it wasn't there anymore. (01:31:24)

[Martin Willis] : Stranger and stranger. Now, what are, you mentioned that there's a lot of similarities between human mutilations and cattle? (01:31:33)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yes. Well, the anal area is cored out. The ears are cut, eyes are missing, lower jaw. One of the strangest cases I worked on was actually a horse in North Dakota where a lady was riding in an indoor ring. If anybody's familiar with riding horses in an indoor ring, those rings are pristine. There's no sharp objects or anything like that. They're very smooth so the rider or the animal does not get hurt. So she stops the horse in the middle of her little thing to go get something out of the tack room. (01:32:07)

[Butch Witkowski] : The tack room is 75 feet from where she left the horse standing. When she comes back, I don't know how long it takes to walk 75 feet, got whatever she got and came back, but when she comes back, the horse's jaw is opened up from right below the ear all the way down. The flap is hanging open and the lower part of its jaw is missing. The horse is bleeding very little. (01:32:30)

[Butch Witkowski] : The horse is not screaming. It's not running around. It's standing exactly where she left it. They call a vet. Vet says there's nothing I can do for this horse. They had to put the horse down. And when she sent me those pictures, I just, I couldn't believe it. So right away, somebody said, well, he ran into a nail. Well, there are no nails in a riding rink. There's nothing in a riding rink that would injure a horse or a rider because, you know, you're riding around in a ring. (01:32:56)

[Butch Witkowski] : There's nothing there. They're just walls. And they're smooth walls, either wood or metal or whatever, but there's no, no place where the horse went. I mean, the horse was right where she left him. And he never let out a howl or scream. (01:33:09)

[Martin Willis] : That just doesn't make any sense. (01:33:12)

[Butch Witkowski] : You slap a horse good with a stick, that horse is going to yell. (01:33:16)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah. (01:33:16)

[Butch Witkowski] : Now, imagine this horse is standing there while somebody removes its lower jaw and opens it up. I mean, this horse is opened up like it was hit with a saber. (01:33:24)

[Martin Willis] : That is crazy. Now, there's a couple of questions up on the message board. And one is, what does the EMF detector mean that would be moving inside the cow? (01:33:38)

[Butch Witkowski] : The only thing that Chuck's thing was that there was something giving off an electromagnetic pulse could have been anything. I mean, okay, your microwave will give off EMF, your watch will give off EMF, your monitor will give off EMF. Electromagnetic fields are everywhere, but why would there be an electromagnetic field in a cow? (01:34:01)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, it's pretty weird. I mean, there's no natural anomaly that could be associated with that inside of like a living being. (01:34:11)

[Butch Witkowski] : No, no. You could take an EMF detector, unless you have a pacemaker, an EMF detector will just give, just like radiation, if I put a radiation detector against your body, I'm just going to pick up residual radiation, which could be from your clothing, from the air, or anything else. But to make an EMF detector move, there has to be an electromagnetic pulse. (01:34:31)

[Martin Willis] : I see. Wow. (01:34:33)

[Butch Witkowski] : Electromagnetic pulse in a cow that was dead. (01:34:39)

[Martin Willis] : Amazing. So Phil asks on the message board, how many human mutilations have there been reported? (01:34:46)

[Butch Witkowski] : To date, best we know, we don't have a whole lot from England, other than the fact that they gave us like seven cases to look at. In this country, I can tell you that in a second here, I believe it's 10, um, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. (01:35:07)

[Martin Willis] : In this country, and are there variances, or are they just a lot of similarities? (01:35:16)

[Butch Witkowski] : Pretty much similar. The one that would be closest to the gentleman in Brazil was the New Zealand case in 1994, where a gentleman was found basically identically cut up, just like this other guy in Brazil. (01:35:35)

[Martin Willis] : Nice. (01:35:36)

[Butch Witkowski] : They go back to 1956 in New Mexico at Air Force Base in New Mexico, Holloman Air Force Base. Sergeant J.P. Lovett, him and his colonel were going down range to pick up some parts of a missile that was fired, a test missile. And the colonel heard the sergeant scream, he turned around, he saw something wrapped around the guy's leg and pulling him into a craft. And then, of course, they arrested the colonel for murder, because they couldn't find a body. And they kind of didn't believe the story, but two days later, Sergeant Lovett shows up about a quarter of a mile from where he was taken, and he's in pretty much the same condition as the other fellows. (01:36:23)

[Butch Witkowski] : And another thing, we have no report of any female being done in like this. (01:36:31)

[Martin Willis] : Really? And what is that with cows? Are you familiar with how that works, if it's cows or bulls? (01:36:38)

[Butch Witkowski] : Mostly female. I think I saw, I think I may have read two cases where a bull was involved. And other than the, like with the cow, the others were taken. In the case of the bull, the penis and testicles were removed. But now that's another story. When you see some of these pictures where somebody has actually removed the udders without damaging the stomachs of that cow, that's pretty much impossible. There's only like a quarter of an inch of skin between the outside of the udder skin and the inside, which the next thing they would hit would be the, would be the one of the cow's stomachs. (01:37:27)

[Butch Witkowski] : I mean, we talked to some vets and they said, hey, there's no way you're going to remove the udders or the whole sack of udders without damaging the stomachs. He said, nobody's that precise. I mean, you're using a scalpel. Well, these cuts aren't being made with a scalpel. These things are cut clean. They don't even show signs of being cauterized. I mean, when you cauterize something, there's always a burn mark. I mean, even if they were cauterizing something on your finger, you would see the cut and then you would see the closure and you would see a little dark spot around it. (01:37:59)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, that's from the heat. Well, these things show no heat. So what are they using? We don't have anything like that. (01:38:05)

[Martin Willis] : And is it the same for the people, the precision cutting like that? (01:38:09)

[SPEAKER_02] : Yeah. (01:38:10)

[Martin Willis] : Totally amazing. So anyone, before we move on, if anyone wants to give us a ring and talk to our guests tonight, that's 603-967-4030. You're welcome to call in. Pardon me. And in these cases, is there anything that can tie any of them together? Any similarities between, say, the victims or anything at all that makes any type of sense where there's some type of connection? (01:38:43)

[Butch Witkowski] : Besides the condition of the body or the carcass, the only thing that kind of ties them all together is that they're in very remote areas when it happens. The sergeant, he's in the desert. The guy in Brazil, he's on an island in the middle of a man-made waterway. Some cattle have been found up on high ranges in high mountain areas where, you know, people don't even go up to check on the cattle. I mean, they just turn them loose for the feeding season or whatever, and then they'll round them up come spring or whatever. (01:39:15)

[Butch Witkowski] : And these guys are, you know, they're out in the middle of nowhere. And there have been ranchers that have been, had cattle mutilated six or seven times on the same ranch. (01:39:27)

[Martin Willis] : Wow. (01:39:29)

[Butch Witkowski] : One guy had a cow mutilated 50 feet from the barn door. He never saw or heard anything. Just went out that morning and there laid the cow. (01:39:36)

[Martin Willis] : Right. I've heard of some similar things to that, like on the Skinwalker Ranch and stuff. Now, when we were, when I first asked you that question, what I meant was not the cows. Was there anything that could connect the people together? And before you answer that, that calls on again, I think I'm going to dare try this. So, hello, caller. Can you hear me? (01:40:00)

[SPEAKER_02] : Yep. (01:40:02)

[Martin Willis] : Okay. Go ahead. Say your name. Where are you calling from? (01:40:05)

[SPEAKER_02] : John Tackett, Columbus, Ohio. (01:40:08)

[Martin Willis] : Hi, John. How are you? (01:40:09)

[SPEAKER_02] : Ken, how are you doing tonight, Martin? (01:40:10)

[Martin Willis] : I'm doing good. What's your question for the guests tonight? (01:40:14)

[SPEAKER_02] : My question is, what actual specific visual, what is the most common visual UFO you actually see? Because you made a comment earlier that GIFs are not really as happening as they were. So, what would your perspective be on the most common visual sighting of a UFO? What's the shape? (01:40:36)

[Butch Witkowski] : The most common visual is, I'm going to split between two because they're almost one for one, is the triangle and the orb. (01:40:47)

[SPEAKER_02] : Okay. So, the orb, now, what do you think the orb is? Do you think that's necessarily, like, would be our, like, an example of, like, of our, you know, robotic planes we have at this point? (01:41:01)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, yeah, I know what you're talking about, but these orbs have been seen, they first came into visual range and photographic range during World War II. (01:41:12)

[SPEAKER_02] : I know that. (01:41:13)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, they called them Q5. Yep. And then they kind of disappeared after the war, and nothing was really seen of them again until the late 50s, and they were very sporadic. There weren't many of them seen. I think somebody did research one time where they came up with about 100 reports in five years of an orb. Now, I'll get eight to ten reports a month of an orb. (01:41:37)

[Martin Willis] : Okay. (01:41:39)

[Butch Witkowski] : And how many... And now, here's some of the theories. Some people think that they are scout ships. Some people think that they are taking samples because there are a lot of reports where an orb is seen. It may be a large orb. Smaller orbs will exit the larger orb, and those smaller orbs will drop to the ground. They will disappear, won't be seen again, and then maybe 10-15 minutes later, they'll come out of wherever they were and go straight up. (01:42:09)

[SPEAKER_02] : You know, my perspective on those orbs with this drone, as we know them in our society, does that make sense? (01:42:19)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, yeah, and it could be. I mean, it could be, but I guess the part that always quizzes me about these orbs is that there was a case in Oregon, not too long ago, I believe it was last year or the year before. And as a matter of fact, it was a MUFON case. And the gentleman was out cutting his lawn. He can't work anymore. He has epilepsy pretty bad. So he's out cutting his lawn. (01:42:43)

[Butch Witkowski] : He lives on a one-way street that has a turnaround at the end. At the end of his street, there's a opposite to turnaround. It's a T-intersection. On the other side of the intersection is a fence and a field and a clump of trees for a farm. He sees an object go behind the farm, which he describes saucer-shaped. It goes behind the trees. He can't see it anymore. Next thing you know, he says the ship, a craft, it goes back up and disappears in the sky very fast. (01:43:09)

[Butch Witkowski] : Out from behind the trees comes an orb that's about the size of a large beach ball. Comes down the field, crosses over top of the fence, comes up the street, goes right past him to the point where he can touch it. The dogs in the neighborhood, which are normally quiet, and one German shepherd that's never even barked a day in his life probably, he says, is trying to rip apart to get out of the house. His dog is going bananas. (01:43:34)

[Butch Witkowski] : The thing passes him. (01:43:36)

[SPEAKER_02] : As he looks at it, he said it's actually like translucent, but inside it's... I had a buddy of mine see one, and it looked like a translucent balloon from a distance. You could almost see through it. It was also similar to a mirror. (01:43:56)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, that's how he described it. He said it was almost like looking in a mirror with something moving around inside, like different colors. Now the thing stops on top of a sewer plate and all kinds of... start flying off the sewer plate, and then it picks itself up about four or five foot off the ground, goes across the street, and attaches itself to a pole that's an electric pole, a pole that generates electric... brings the electric into those homes. There's only a few homes on the street. (01:44:22)

[Butch Witkowski] : It detaches itself. (01:44:23)

[SPEAKER_02] : It starts to go down... Wait a minute, hold on, hold on. Now when it attaches itself to the actual pole, did anybody in the area report any kind of power issues? (01:44:32)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yes, they had... there was a drop in power, but nothing went off. I mean, you know, in other words, a light dimmed, like, you know, you're going to lose power. Right. Everything dropped down. By this time, there's neighbors outside. They see it. There's one lady who's on her porch next door to him screaming him to get away, and he's just dumbfounded. He's just standing there looking at it, and it comes back off the pole, goes back over to the plate, raises up four or five foot in the ground, and just vaporizes. Gone. (01:44:59)

[Martin Willis] : Interesting. (01:45:02)

[SPEAKER_02] : So it's almost like an idealistic, trans-dimensional thing. (01:45:06)

[Butch Witkowski] : Man, so all total, there were four witnesses that saw the same thing. (01:45:14)

[Martin Willis] : Interesting. Well, John, hey, thanks... He went in the house. (01:45:17)

[Butch Witkowski] : He was sick for four days, vomiting. Wow. Wow. (01:45:21)

[Martin Willis] : John, thanks for calling in. (01:45:22)

[SPEAKER_02] : Okay, thanks, Martin. Hey, you're awesome. All right. (01:45:25)

[Martin Willis] : Hey, thanks. Yeah, bye-bye. Wow, that's quite the sighting. You know, we had a... and it's fine that we're back on UFOs, but someone wanted to ask you a question in regards to what the conversation was a minute ago, and of the human mutilations to the common phenomena of black helicopters, lights in the sky... (01:45:49)

[Butch Witkowski] : Well, there have been two reports where black helicopters were seen in the area. Not overhead, but in the area. And when I say in the area, within a mile of where the mutilation was found. (01:46:01)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, wow. (01:46:03)

[Butch Witkowski] : And that was both cattle and human. (01:46:05)

[Martin Willis] : Now, when we were talking earlier, and I asked what the connections were, it sounded like you started speaking about the cattle mutilations, and when you said they were, you know, left way out remotely and stuff like that. I was asking about the human mutilations. Is there anything that could connect one to another, or any similarities that you're aware of? (01:46:27)

[Butch Witkowski] : Other than the wounds, no. (01:46:29)

[Martin Willis] : That's it? Wow. (01:46:31)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yep. (01:46:32)

[Martin Willis] : Amazing. Now, are there people that are researching... are you one of the few people researching this, or are other people involved? (01:46:40)

[Butch Witkowski] : I pretty much think I'm the only one that does it anymore. (01:46:43)

[Martin Willis] : Uh-huh. And you said this started back in 1956, right? (01:46:51)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, that's when cases started popping up that bodies were being found with strange markings and missing parts. (01:46:58)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah. And 11 known in the U.S., and you started to say you were unsure about other countries. Do you know? I mean, England, I believe you said. (01:47:07)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, England. England, a researcher over there, Richard Hall, has been investigating these for probably a lot longer than I have. And, you know, he's gotten some really great stuff going on over there. I'm familiar with most of his stuff, but, you know, he's got a lot of stuff he's holding back yet that he's got to verify. And that's the biggest thing with these cases. You got to verify them before you go talking about them, because, you know, they're so strange. (01:47:36)

[Butch Witkowski] : You almost think somebody just sat there and made them up. But, you know, the cases that have come forward that, you know, like the autopsy reports we can read, you know, I had to go, I had to get the one from Brazil translated from their, you know, their language to the U.S., but it was worth the 50 bucks. (01:47:54)

[Martin Willis] : Excuse me. (01:47:57)

[Butch Witkowski] : And not many people speak Portuguese around my area. (01:48:00)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah. So is there anything like a radiation or anything like that, any exposure, any other unusual things? (01:48:10)

[Butch Witkowski] : No radiation exposure, no burns, no, no, how should I say, damage done to the body, you know, like with an ax or a sharp knife or anything like that. Everything is precision. They're all done the same way, done in the same way. Same parts are taken, not much body found. And, you know, it just, it's just very strange. (01:48:35)

[Martin Willis] : And approximately how long is the body, like, left, wherever it is, and are these indoor, outdoor, where are they found? (01:48:46)

[Butch Witkowski] : Most outdoor. The only one I know that was indoor was the Cairo case. The others were all outdoors. Bliss, Idaho, that was out in the middle of nowhere, which is strange because when I first read that report, it kind of took me to Todd Cease, because when Cease was found, the area where he lives, and we've been there, I mean, it's so rocky that, you know, I was wearing pretty heavy, heavy boots, and those rocks were hurting my feet. (01:49:14)

[Butch Witkowski] : I mean, it's just unbelievable how rocky that area is. He was found in his socks, and his feet were not damaged at all. There was no, his feet, ankles, top, bottom were unremarkable. There was no damage, no scratches, no bruises, no nothing. (01:49:29)

[Martin Willis] : That's how weird. Yeah, and there seemed to me that there was another, and maybe I'm confusing another case, but that people saw like someone, the same thing, like lifted up into a craft, but the guy was really in rough shape when he was found. Is that anything that sounds familiar to you? (01:49:53)

[Butch Witkowski] : That's the same case. (01:49:54)

[Martin Willis] : It is the same case. (01:49:55)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, that's Todd Cease's case. (01:49:56)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, wow. (01:49:57)

[Butch Witkowski] : See, everybody's conception of this is that a UFO picked him up, took him up, and then, you know, a day later dropped him off in the back, you know, out in the back country. But, you know, although we have a report that the guys, the fishermen and the farmers, see something like a man being pulled up into a craft above the power lines, dressed in his underwear, which at a distance from where the river is to where he was seen, and, you know, it's like come out of his driveway and you cross road, you're at the river, you have, at that distance, you know, a guy in his shorts and a t-shirt with socks on would look like a guy in his underwear, I guess. (01:50:37)

[Butch Witkowski] : And that's how he was found. Cut off jeans, t-shirt and socks. That was it. (01:50:43)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, wow. Now, you mentioned in the very beginning of the podcast that, or the live show, that is, that you had 10 separate chapters or whatever of this organization, and some in Europe. Are you, like, in touch with these people constantly, or does everyone work on their own? (01:51:05)

[Butch Witkowski] : No, we're in contact with everybody. They know what I'm doing. I know what they're doing. Matter of fact, that case that you were talking about with Alejandro, the ham operator and the airline pilot, that was a Mufon, Utah case. (01:51:26)

[Martin Willis] : Right. (01:51:27)

[Butch Witkowski] : And the girl that investigated that, Erica Lukes, is the person that runs my U4 cop branch in Utah. (01:51:36)

[Martin Willis] : Oh, you mean as of just recently? (01:51:38)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah. (01:51:39)

[Martin Willis] : Oh, OK, good. Yeah, I like Erica. She's very nice. She's a past guest on the show. (01:51:46)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, she's quite a lady. Yeah, she joined us about, I believe it's three weeks now. (01:51:52)

[Martin Willis] : That's just about right. Yeah, we have been playing phone tag because I wanted to find out what exactly transpired. So I'm sure she'll share some of that with me. But yes, wow. Well, you know, we're getting near the end of the show. And so we have maybe five or five minutes or so left, four or five minutes. And do you actually have a website? (01:52:21)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yes. (01:52:23)

[Martin Willis] : Oh, and... (01:52:24)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, it's U4cop.com. It's U-F-O-R-C-O-P dot com. (01:52:32)

[Martin Willis] : No, I mean, do you have a personal website or is that can you just be found on that one? (01:52:36)

[Butch Witkowski] : Oh, no, I'm also on Facebook. We have like three pages on Facebook. We have a U4COP page. We have a UFO Research Center Pennsylvania page. We have a JAR page. I am the editor of JAR Magazine, which is a Journal of Abnormal Abduction Research. And then I have a personal page also. (01:52:56)

[Martin Willis] : Now, are you retired and you just do all this now? Like, this sounds like a full time job. (01:53:05)

[Butch Witkowski] : It is a full time job. When I'm done with you, I'll be up here in my office till about 4 a.m. I'll grab six hours of sleep and I'll be back at it. (01:53:14)

[Martin Willis] : Wow. And... (01:53:16)

[Butch Witkowski] : I retired in 2013. (01:53:18)

[Martin Willis] : Uh-huh. And then basically this is taking your time. Now, one more question along these lines. What's the furthest away that the farthest that you will travel for a case? Does it depend on what the case is? (01:53:32)

[Butch Witkowski] : Not really. I mean, if somebody needs our, like I said before, if anybody needs our help, whether it's something I can do here in the office or through the other groups, or if they require, you know, if they need that mobile unit on the site of what they think they have, a cattle mutilation, whatever, whatever comes up. If it's within Pennsylvania, no problem. I can be either in Pennsylvania within five hours or less, way less. And if it's like, I'm going out to Missouri to investigate something, as long as they can help with the gas and tolls, I'm on my way. (01:54:07)

[Martin Willis] : I see. Now, do you have pictures of this rig? (01:54:10)

[Butch Witkowski] : Uh, we just took the old ones down. The new pictures of the new... we just bought a 2016 Ford Transit. And it's something we always... because the other one was a Ford. It was a 2012, but it was a low, low top. This one, we can walk around it inside. We have a lot more shelving in it. We just got it back from those folks yesterday. And for the last three days now, I've been shuffling equipment in and out and in now. We'll have everything ready to roll in the next... by the end of this week, everything will be finished. (01:54:44)

[Butch Witkowski] : The only thing that's not... won't be finished for two weeks is the radio. People have to put all radios back in because we're going to do a different setup this time. We're going to put radios in a console between the seats, just like a police car, instead of hanging them off the ceiling and all that stuff. (01:54:58)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah. Almost like storm chasers in a way. (01:55:00)

[Butch Witkowski] : Oh, we make them look sick. We got more equipment than they do. (01:55:04)

[Martin Willis] : Awesome. Well, this has been a lot of fun. I've really enjoyed speaking to you tonight. (01:55:11)

[Butch Witkowski] : And my pleasure. (01:55:13)

[Martin Willis] : Yes. And so anyone out there that would like to contact you for a UFO report, instead of going to the other two that you hear so much about, they're welcome to contact you? (01:55:26)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, they can contact me about anything, whether it's a question they want answered, or if there's something I can find in my database, or they may have a photograph they want us to look at. We use Photoshop CMS7 to go over our photographs and a couple other programs we have. Or they have a case that they want looked at. The only thing I won't do is I won't interfere if somebody else is investigating the case. (01:55:50)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, that makes sense. (01:55:52)

[Butch Witkowski] : Yeah, I just, I just don't do that. I mean, you know, it's just bad. That's just bad juju. (01:55:56)

[Martin Willis] : Yeah, but I totally get that. (01:55:58)

[Butch Witkowski] : All right. (01:56:00)

[Martin Willis] : Well, it's time to go. And I want to thank you so much. It's been a real pleasure. And I hope to talk to you soon. (01:56:06)

[Butch Witkowski] : Oh, absolutely. Anytime. (01:56:08)

[Martin Willis] : All right. You take care. (01:56:10)

[Butch Witkowski] : You too. Take care now. Bye-bye. (01:56:12)

(2025-10-12)

前置き​

要旨​

目次​

UFO研究、未確認生物、人体切断事件に関するブリーフィング​

要旨​

ブッチ・ウィトコウスキーとペンシルベニアUFO研究センター（UFORCOP）​

設立の経緯と理念​

組織と運営​

調査能力と装備​

主要な調査分野と事例​

ペンシルベニア州の未確認生物（クリプティッド）​

UFO目撃情報の動向​

トッド・シース事件（未解決事件）​

人体切断（ヒューマン・ミューティレーション）事件​

事例: グアダパランガ・ダム事件（ブラジル、1988年） この事件は、人体切断の典型的な特徴を最もよく示している。​

ウィトコウスキー氏の見解と哲学​

現象の相互関連性​

証拠と懐疑主義​

政府による情報開示（ディスクロージャー）について​

他のUFO研究機関への見方​

ケーススタディ分析：トッド・シーズ失踪事件の謎​

1.0 序章：トッド・シーズの失踪​

2.0 大規模捜索と常識を覆す発見​

3.0 公式見解と法医学的現実の乖離​

4.0 妨害と矛盾の連鎖：情報封鎖の実態​

5.0 地球外要因：UFO目撃証言​

6.0 結論：未解決の謎​

UFO 目撃報告の状況​

UFO目撃報告の性質と事例​

UFO目撃報告の調査方法（法医学的アプローチ）​

未解明事象の分類とUFOの関連性​

未確認生物（Cryptids）調査​

1. 調査対象としての未確認生物の事例​

2. 調査プロトコルの欠如と技術的な課題​

3. 未解明事象の文脈における位置づけ​

abduction 調査​

誘拐（Abduction）調査の性質と増加傾向​

誘拐調査の専門化と連携​

誘拐（Abduction）と行方不明者の統計​

UFO目撃と行方不明者の関連事例（Todd Cease事件）​

Todd Sees 事件の異常性​

1. 遺体の発見状況と捜索活動の矛盾​

2. 公式の死因と薬物乱用歴の矛盾​

3. 公式報告の不信感と情報の隠蔽​

4. UFO目撃報告との関連性​

人体切断 : Human Mutilations​

1. UFOロジーにおける人体切断の位置づけ​

2. 人体切断の事例と異常な共通点​

A. ブラジルのグアダパランガ・ダム事件 (1988年)​

B. 類似事例と国際的な発生​

3. 法医学的な異常性と切断時の状況​

4. 切断の目的に関する仮説​

5. 調査の困難さと組織的な無視​

情報源​

文字起こし（話者識別）​

前置き

要旨

目次