Chris Bache : 集合的カルマと転生を語る

October 23, 2025 · 184 min read

要旨

集合的カルマと転生

この対談の記録は、‌‌エミー・ヴァドニス‌‌と‌‌クリス・バッシュ‌‌による‌‌集合的カルマと転生‌‌についての議論を概説しています。

バッシュ氏は、‌‌哲学・宗教学の名誉教授‌‌であり、‌‌LSDを使用した73回のセッション‌‌を通じて得た‌‌個人的および集合的カルマと転生‌‌に関する洞察を探ります。彼は、‌‌イアン・スティーブンソンの研究‌‌や‌‌過去世療法‌‌の事例、さらには‌‌向精神薬の使用‌‌によって‌‌転生が人生の事実‌‌であるという見解に至った経緯を説明します。

また、個人と集団の意識の境界線が溶解し、‌‌人類全体が一つの種として進化‌‌しているという考え、そして‌‌集合的なトラウマの浄化‌‌が‌‌将来の人間‌‌への進化に不可欠であるという考えを強調しています。

バッシュ氏は、‌‌カルマ‌‌を単なる報いではなく、‌‌成長と学習のシステム‌‌として捉え、‌‌愛と自己受容‌‌の重要性についても語っています。

要旨
集合的カルマと転生：クリス・ベイシュ博士の洞察
ワンネスへの探求：クリス・バッハとの対話で紐解く集合意識
Chris Bache の経歴と著作
カルマと転生（個人レベル）
集合的カルマと意識
Oneness の体験
1. ワンネスの本質と体験の深さ
宗教と転生
現在の集合的危機と未来
カルマへの意識的な取り組み方
情報源
文字起こし（話者識別）

集合的カルマと転生：クリス・ベイシュ博士の洞察

要旨

本ブリーフィングは、哲学者であり宗教学者でもあるクリス・ベイシュ博士が、自身の長年にわたるサイケデリック探求と学術研究に基づいて展開する「集合的カルマ」と「転生」に関する深遠な洞察をまとめたものである。ベイシュ博士の核心的な主張は、個人のカルマと人類という種全体のカルマが密接に絡み合っており、我々の転生は個人的な成長のためだけでなく、種全体の進化、すなわち「未来の人間」の誕生に貢献するためにあるという点にある。

博士の理論は、イアン・スティーブンソンの実証的研究、スタン・グロフの意識研究、そして73回にわたる自身のLSDセッションから得られた直接的な体験という三つの柱に支えられている。これらの探求を通じて、博士は個人の意識と集合的意識の境界が溶解する深層領域に到達した。そこでは、人類の集合精神が戦争、殺戮、レイプといった未解決のトラウマの記憶（博士はこれを「苦しみの海」と呼ぶ）によって重荷を負わされていることを体験的に理解した。

さらに、ベイシュ博士は、すべての存在の本質が神聖な全体性と結びついているという「ワンネス」の体験が、慈悲心を生み出す根源であると説く。個人の霊的・心理的ブレークスルーは、この相互接続性を通じて集合体全体に影響を及ぼす。

現在の地球規模の危機、すなわち気候変動や社会的分断は、人類が集合的な「魂の暗い夜」を通過している兆候であると博士は分析する。これは、より高次の意識状態へ移行するために、種全体がその影を露わにし、浄化するという不可欠なプロセスである。この苦難に満ちた転換期は、最終的に人類全体の霊的な目覚めと、個々の過去生が統合された「ダイヤモンド・ソウル」を持つ新しい人間性の誕生へと至る、希望に満ちた産みの苦しみであると結論づけられる。

I. 転生研究への導入：個人的探求の始まり

クリス・ベイシュ博士の転生への関心は、学術的キャリアの初期にまで遡る。彼の探求は、二つの重要な研究との出会いから始まった。

イアン・スティーブンソンの研究：バージニア大学のイアン・スティーブンソン博士による、前世の記憶を自発的に語る子供たちの事例研究は、ベイシュ博士に「転生は生命の事実である」という視点を与えた。
スタン・グロフの研究：グロフ博士の著書『Realms of Human Unconscious』は、意識の深層領域に関する探求への道を開いた。

これらの研究、特に過去生療法の事例研究を通じて、ベイシュ博士は人生の深層的なメカニズムを理解し始めた。彼によれば、個々の人生は過去生の続きであり、未来の生への準備でもある。一つの人生で未完に終わった計画、癒されなかった傷、満たされなかった希望は、複雑かつ微細な形で次の人生へと引き継がれる。

この学術的な理解は、後のサイケデリック探求によって裏付けられ、さらに精緻化された。博士は自身のLSDセッション中に数多くの過去生を体験し、転生が霊的現実の自然な現れであり、物理的世界と霊的世界が進化の過程で深く絡み合っていることを確信した。

II. 個人的カルマから集合的カルマへ

当初、ベイシュ博士の理解は、個人の選択と条件付けが来世に影響を及ぼす「個人的カルマ」のレベルに留まっていた。しかし、サイケデリック探求が深まるにつれて、彼の意識は個人的な領域を超え、集合的なレベルへと移行した。

集合的無意識の探求：カール・ユングの集合的無意識の概念をさらに推し進め、ベイシュ博士は「個々の人間」ではなく「種全体」が機能単位となる意識レベルを体験した。
「苦しみの海」：博士の探求における重要な体験の一つに、「苦しみの海」と名付けられた領域への没入がある。これは、人類という種の集合精神に保持されている、未解決のトラウマの記憶マトリックスである。戦争、殺戮、レイプ、飢饉、近親相姦など、メンバーが死ぬまでに解決できなかったあらゆる苦しみが、この集合的な精神に重荷としてのしかかっている。
個と集合の境界の溶解：博士は、意識の非常に深いレベルでは、個人と集合体の境界が溶解することを発見した。個人の人生で起こることは、我々がその一部である種の生命で起こっていることと動的な関係にある。個人のカルマと転生を通じて個人が進化するのと同様に、種全体も集合的カルマと集合的転生を通じて進化している。

この洞察は、ベイシュ博士の思想の中核をなし、我々の存在が個人的な物語に留まらず、人類という壮大な生命体の一部であることを示唆している。

III. 「ワンネス」の体験とその含意

転生というテーマよりもさらに根源的な真実として、ベイシュ博士は「ワンネス（一体性）」の体験を挙げる。

本質の共有：霊的伝統が一様に語るように、個人の本質は全体性の本質、すなわち神聖なものの本質と同一である。これは、他のすべての生命、さらには「無生物」とされるものとも共有されている。
ワンネス体験の特徴：この真実が開かれると、自己と他者を隔てる境界が消え、生命全体との深いつながりを体験する。
- 感覚：深い親密さ、一体感、孤独感の消滅。
- 結果：他者と自身に対する慈悲心が自然に生まれる。知恵の深化と慈悲心の増大は、密接に関連している。
エネルギー状態としてのワンネス：ワンネスは単なる概念ではなく、非常に高いエネルギーを伴う意識状態である。ベイシュ博士は、長年にわたるサイケデリックセッションでの激しい浄化プロセスを経て、この状態に到達した。
個人のブレークスルーが集合体に与える影響：我々の意識は常に多孔質で相互に連結しているため、一個人の心理的・霊的なブレークスルーは、周囲の世界に放射状に広がり、他者の変容プロセスに影響を与える。ベイシュ博士は、自身のサイケデリック探求が、それを知らない学生たちの集合的な目覚めを促した「生きた教室（The Living Classroom）」の経験を、この現象の実証例として挙げている。

IV. 転生に関する科学的・宗教的見解

ベイシュ博士は、転生という概念を、経験的証拠と世界の諸伝統の両方から考察している。

科学的・経験的証拠

イアン・スティーブンソンの研究：世界中の何千人もの子供たちが持つ前世の記憶を記録した研究は、「転生が生命の事実であることの圧倒的な証拠」を提供していると評価する。
過去生療法：人々が過去の記憶を思い出すことで癒しを得るだけでなく、過去に培った才能や賜物を意識的に引き出す事例も証拠として挙げられる。
未知の領域：同時に、魂がどのように死後に記憶を保持し、新たな肉体と統合されるのかといった「魂の物理学」については、まだ解明されていないことが多いと認めている。

世界の宗教における転生観

宗教/宗派	転生に対する見解
東洋の宗教	仏教、ヒンドゥー教、道教などは、転生を自然な教えとして肯定している。
ユダヤ教	主流のラビ・ユダヤ教は肯定しないが、神秘主義部門であるハシディズムは肯定している。
イスラム教	主流のイスラム教は重視しないが、神秘主義部門であるスーフィズムは肯定している。
キリスト教	初期のグノーシス主義の宗派では教えられていたが、後に異端とされた。教会が教会権威の優位性を確立するため、個人の自律性を高める転生思想を排除したとベイシュ博士は分析する。しかし、現代のアメリカではカトリック教徒とプロテスタントの約25%が転生を信じているという調査結果もある。博士は、転生思想を取り入れることで、人生における苦しみや不平等の問題をより合理的に説明でき、キリスト教神学がより首尾一貫したものになると主張する。

イエスの復活については、それが転生の比喩であるという見方に対し、博士はイエス自身が転生を教えたという決定的な証拠はないとしつつも、彼の教えが転生と両立可能であることは強く示唆している。復活の物語は、死後も意識が存続するという普遍的な真理を示していると解釈できる。

V. カルマ、人生の目的、そして進化

転生の概念は、人生の目的とカルマの理解を根本的に変える。

カルマの再定義：カルマは罰ではなく、「原因と結果（karma vipaka）」の法則である。物理的世界だけでなく、我々の心理的・霊的な「選択」もまた原因となり、結果を生む。これは学習と成長のためのシステムであり、人間が長期的に自らの運命を形作る力を与えるものである。
転生がもたらす意味：
- 人生の理解：生まれ持った才能や傾向、困難の理由が説明され、人生がより理解しやすくなる。
- 希望と力：我々は過去の囚人ではなく、現在の選択によって未来を創造する力を持つ。
- 寛容さ：他者は自分とは異なる成長段階にあると理解することで、人々をありのままに受け入れることができるようになる。
- 時間感覚の拡大：「1万年後に何をしていたいか？」という問いは、人生の目的を短期的な視点から解放する。これにより、生物学的な存在以上の壮大なドラマの一部として自身を捉えることができるようになる。
進化の目標：我々は何に向かって進化しているのかという問いに対し、博士は具体的な目標（愛、知恵など）よりも、「成長」や「自己の本質のエンパワーメント」といったプロセス重視の答えを提示する。転生は、集団だけでなく個人が学習を時間を超えて引き継ぐことを可能にする「進化の高次オクターブ」である。

VI. 人類の現在地：集合的な危機と浄化

ベイシュ博士は、人類が歴史上かつてない危機的状況にあると認識している。しかし、その見方は悲観的なものではなく、霊的な文脈の中に位置づけられている。

集合的な「魂の暗い夜」：現在の気候変動、社会的分断、混乱といった地球規模の危機は、人類全体が霊的なブレークスルーの前段階である「魂の暗い夜」を経験している証拠である。
浄化のプロセス：個々の神秘家が悟りを開く前に内面を浄化するように、人類もまた、より高次の意識状態と相容れない集合的なカルマ、歴史、文化制度を表面化させ、浄化する必要がある。現在露呈している人類の「影」は、癒しのための不可欠なプロセスである。
意識の危機：この危機は本質的に政治や経済の危機ではなく、「意識の危機」である。自己中心的で孤立した自我構造が、現在の行き詰まりを生み出している。
進化の加速装置：この「集合的な臨死体験」とも言える状況は、絶滅の脅威を通じて「成長か、死か」という選択を迫り、人類の進化を強力に加速させている。

VII. 「未来の人間」への展望

ベイシュ博士の探求の最終的なビジョンは、この危機を乗り越えた先にある人類の新たな可能性に向けられている。

「未来の人間」の誕生：歴史の現在のプロジェクトは、「未来の人間（homo spiritualis）」と呼ばれる新しい種類の人類を誕生させることである。これは単なる改良ではなく、集合精神の構造プレートが変動するような根本的な革命である。
「ダイヤモンド・ソウル」：この変容において、転生は中心的な役割を果たす。個々の過去生がすべて統合され、一つの統一された統合体となる「ダイヤモンド・ソウル」が誕生する。これにより、人間の心の中に洞察力と慈悲心が指数関数的に爆発する。
希望のビジョン：この変容は、世代全体が犠牲になるかのような過酷なプロセスを伴うかもしれない。しかし、それは人類が自発的に引き受けた役割であり、創造的知性への貢献である。ベイシュ博士は、この深層的なプロセスを理解することで、現在の混沌とした時代を乗り越えるための大きな力と確信を得ている。

彼のビジョンによれば、我々は皆、この壮大な移行の中に共にあり、最終的には一つの集合体として前進していく。そして、我々がなろうとしている存在の美しさは、言葉を絶するほど壮麗なものである。

ワンネスへの探求：クリス・バッハとの対話で紐解く集合意識

序文：対話へのいざない

私たちの内なる世界と、外に広がる広大な宇宙との間には、目には見えない繋がりがあるのかもしれません。もし、自分という存在が、孤立した意識ではなく、生命全体の壮大な物語の一部だとしたら？この問いは、古来より多くの探求者たちを魅了してきました。

この文章は、哲学・宗教学の教授であるクリス・バッハ氏と、インタビュアーのエミー・ヴァドネス氏による対話をもとに、「ワンネス（一体性）」や「集合意識」といった深遠な概念を紐解くための旅への招待状です。これは単なる情報の伝達ではありません。バッハ氏の体験的な洞察は、私たち自身の内なる世界を映し出す鏡となり、自分と世界との繋がりを、頭で理解するのではなく、心で感じる機会を与えてくれるでしょう。さあ、意識の深層への旅を始めましょう。

1. 個人の探求から「集合」という概念へ

このセクションでは、クリス・バッハ氏が個人の輪廻転生の研究から、集合的な意識の体験へと至るまでの道のりを辿ります。

1.1. 探求の始まり：輪廻転生との出会い

バッハ氏の探求は、学問的な関心から始まりました。彼はキャリアの初期にイアン・スティーブンソン博士の研究や過去生療法の事例に深く触発されます。そこから彼は、個々の人生は孤立したものではなく、時間を超えて続く相互に関連した「プロジェクトの継続」であるという、輪廻転生的な世界観を形成していきました。例えば、過去生で癒されなかった傷やトラウマ、満たされなかった希望や期待。そうした未完の課題が、複雑かつ繊細な形で次の生へと引き継がれるという考え方です。

1.2. 意識の深層へ：集合的無意識との遭遇

彼の探求は、サイケデリックな探求を通じて、個人的な意識のレベルから集合的な意識のレベルへと劇的な転換を遂げます。この体験の中で、彼は決定的な気づきを得ました。

...そこで機能している単位は、個々の人間ではありませんでした。機能している単位は、種全体だったのです。

彼は、集合的な精神の中に保持されている記憶のマトリックスである「苦しみの海」に足を踏み入れます。それは、戦争、殺人、レイプ、痛み、干ばつ、近親相姦といった、個人が死ぬまでに解決されなかったあらゆる苦しみの記憶の集積でした。個人のトラウマがその人を苦しめるように、集合的なトラウマもまた、私たち人類という種全体に重荷を負わせているのです。

1.3. 重要な注意点

バッハ氏とヴァドネス氏が明確にしている通り、ここで語られるような深遠な意識状態へのアクセスは、様々な方法を通じて可能です。この対話は、違法な薬物の使用を推奨するものでは決してありません。バッハ氏自身も、催眠療法など他の手法を用いて探求を行っていたことを言及しています。

この集合的な意識の発見は、バッハ氏をさらに深い真実、すなわち個と全体が一つであるという「ワンネス」の体験へと導きました。

2. 「ワンネス（一体性）」とは何か

このセクションでは、バッハ氏が語る「ワンネス」の本質を抽出し、この抽象的な概念を読者にとってより具体的なものにします。

2.1. ワンネスの本質：すべてのものは繋がっている

ワンネスとは、「個人の本質は、全体の本質である」という根源的なスピリチュアルな真実です。この共有された本質によって、私たちは生きとし生けるもの、そして無生物と呼ばれるすべてのものと繋がっています。

バッハ氏の言葉を借りれば、ワンネスの感覚とは、自己と他者との間の境界が溶け去り、深い親密さや一体感に包まれる体験です。それはまるで、生命全体が一つとして生き、呼吸している奇跡を体験するかのようです。

2.2. ワンネスがもたらすもの：慈悲の誕生

ワンネスの体験は、私たちの内面に具体的な変化をもたらします。バッハ氏が説明する主な3つの効果を以下に示します。

慈悲 (Compassion) ワンネスを体験すると、自然な結果として、全体の善を願う気持ちが自発的に生まれます。これは他者だけでなく、自分自身に対するより深い慈悲へと繋がります。
帰郷 (Homecoming) それは、自分自身の本質的な性質、本来あるべき姿へと還っていく感覚です。「ようやく見つけられた」「ようやく還ってこられた」という、深い安堵感に満たされます。
孤独の終わり (End of Loneliness) あらゆる形の孤独感が消え去り、その代わりに、この上なく素晴らしいスピリチュアルかつ物理的な親密さが生まれます。

2.3. ワンネスへの道筋

ワンネスは、オンかオフかといった単純なスイッチではありません。それは「多くの段階」と「イニシエーションのステージ」を持つ旅路です。より深い状態に入るためには、より高いレベルのエネルギーを自分の中に統合する必要があり、その前段階として、しばしば激しい浄化のプロセスを経験するとバッハ氏は語ります。

この深遠なワンネスの感覚は、単なる神秘体験に留まらず、私たちに重大な問いを投げかけます。もし私たちが本当に繋がっているのなら、自分一人の思考や苦しみ、そして喜びは、全体にどのような波紋を広げているのでしょうか。

3. 私たちは「人類という組織の細胞」である

このセクションでは、バッハ氏の力強い比喩を用いながら、個人と集合体との関係性に焦点を当てます。

3.1. 個人の問題は、社会の問題

バッハ氏は、私たちが抱える否定的な性質などの個人的な問題は、決してプライベートなものではなく、より大きな社会的・文化的な構造の一部であると主張します。

私たちが個人的に抱えるどんな問題も、社会的な問題の一部なのです。

3.2. 境界のない意識

この体験的な現実は、私たちの近代的な自己観に根源的な挑戦を突きつけます。それは、自分たちを孤立した意識の島々と見なすのをやめ、私たちは常に一つの、境界のない海に浮かぶ波であったと理解するよう促すのです。

伝統的な西洋思想	バッハ氏の体験的理解
人間は孤立した「モナド（単子）」であり、自己完結した自我構造を持つ。	人間は「人類という組織の細胞」であり、私たちの心は「人間意識という織物の中の光の細胞」である。
意識は個人的なものである。	私たちは常に境界のない状態にあり、意識は絶えず相互に浸透し合っている。

3.3. 内なる変革が世界に与える影響

この相互連結性が意味するものは何でしょうか。それは、私たちの個人的な心理的・スピリチュアルなブレークスルーは、自分自身のためだけのものではないということです。それらは「世界へと放射され、人々の人生に触れる」のです。バッハ氏は、自身の教室で起きた現象を、この原理が実際に現れた例として挙げています。彼の個人的な探求が、生徒たちの集合的な目覚めに影響を与えていたのです。

個人の変革が集合意識に影響を与えるというこの考え方は、カルマと輪廻転生という、より広大な時間軸を持つ枠組みの中でさらに深く理解することができます。

4. 人生の羅針盤としてのカルマと輪廻転生

このセクションでは、輪廻転生的な世界観を取り入れることが、人生、目的、そして苦しみに対する理解をいかに深く変容させるかを解説します。

4.1. カルマの本質：罰ではなく「学びの軌跡」

カルマは罰ではなく、私たちの選択に適用される普遍的な原因と結果の法則です。バッハ氏は次のように説明します。「私たちが選択をするとき、基本的には学びの軌跡を設定しているのです」。

システムの勢い（モメンタム）があまりに大きいため、短期的な結果を常にコントロールできるわけではありません。しかし、私たちは現在においてより明確な選択をすることで、より良い未来を形作る力を持っているのです。

4.2. 輪廻転生がもたらす3つの視点

輪廻転生的な視点がもたらす恩恵について、バッハ氏の主要な論点を3つにまとめました。

人生がより理解しやすくなる輪廻転生は、才能、適性、人生の不平等といった、そうでなければランダムで残酷にさえ見える事柄に対して、論理的な文脈を与えてくれます。
他者への寛容が生まれるバッハ氏は学校の比喩を用います。ある人は「幼稚園」に、別の人は「大学院」にいます。この視点に立つと、他者がそれぞれのユニークな旅路にいることを理解し、「人々をありのままにさせてあげる」ことができるようになります。
人生の目的が壮大になる時間という制約がなくなると、人生の目的は大きく広がります。バッハ氏はこの点を、次のような示唆に富んだ問いで示します。「1万年後、あなたは何をしていたいですか？」

4.3. なぜ苦しみは存在するのか？

苦しみの存在という難しい問いに対し、バッハ氏は、人類は「未完成」で「過渡的な種」であると答えます。彼は、まだ屋根が葺かれていない家を比喩に用います。雨が降り込むのは、家の設計に欠陥があるからではなく、家がまだ完成していないからです。同様に、私たちの苦しみは、人類というプロジェクトがまだ進行中であることのしるしなのです。そして、この「未完成」な状態こそが、私たちが今日経験している、深く、そしてしばしば痛みを伴う集合的な癒しのプロセスを必要としているのです。

この壮大な成長の物語は、まさに今、私たちが直面している地球規模の危機と、その先に待つ未来への希望を考える上で、重要な示唆を与えてくれます。

5. 結論：人類の転換点と私たちにできること

最後のセクションでは、これらの概念が現代において持つ意味を要約し、読者が実践できる洞察を提供します。

5.1. 集合的な「臨死体験」の時代

気候変動や社会の分断といった現在の地球規模の危機は、集合的な「魂の暗い夜」あるいは惑星レベルの「臨死体験」と捉えることができます。バッハ氏はこれを、人類の影の部分を露わにし、癒すために必要な「集合的な浄化」であると見ています。

そして彼は、この危機がいかに深刻であっても、「私たちはこの危機を乗り越える」と信じています。しかし、この信念は私たちの現状に対する合理的な計算に基づくものではありません。それは、彼の「スピリチュアルな体験」から直接導き出された、揺るぎない確信なのです。なぜなら、これは根本的には「意識の危機」だからです。

5.2. 今、私たちが始めるべきこと

バッハ氏のアドバイスを、私たちが今日から始められるシンプルな行動にまとめました。

内なる静けさを見つけるスピリチュアルな実践を通して心と精神をクリアにすることで、これまでとは違う、より調和のとれた宇宙を知覚することができます。
選択を変える他者を犠牲にして自分を優先したり、他者を傷つけたりする行動をやめましょう。このシンプルな実践が、システム全体を落ち着かせていきます。
自分自身を深く愛する全体と一つになるためには、無条件の自己受容が不可欠です。それは表面的な自己肯定ではありません。自分自身の影の部分を引き受けることを厭わず、その影が腕の中の赤ん坊になるまで愛し、育むことを厭わない、真に深い愛なのです。

5.3. 未来への展望

私たちの旅は、個人のものでありながら、決して孤独なものではありません。この対話は、人類が共に前進していくという、深く感動的なビジョンで締めくくられます。この共有された旅の本質を伝える、バッハ氏の最後の言葉を、あなたへのメッセージとして贈ります。

究極的には、私たちは皆、共に進まなければなりません。少し先を行く人もいれば、少し遅れる人もいるかもしれませんが、最終的に私たちはこの変容を通り抜ける中で、共に動いているのです。

この言葉が、私たちがこれからなろうとしているものへの、確かな安らぎと壮大な希望の光となることを願って。

Chris Bache の経歴と著作

提示されたソースは、クリス・バッチ氏の「集合的カルマと転生」というより大きな文脈において、彼の‌‌学術的提示されたソースは、クリス・バッチ氏の「集合的カルマと転生」というより大きな文脈において、彼の‌‌学術的背景、著作、および探求の進化‌**‌について包括的に説明しています。

1. クリス・バッチ氏の学術的背景とキャリア

クリス・バッチ氏は、オハイオ州のヤングスタウン州立大学‌‌哲学部および宗教学部で33年間教鞭を執った名誉教授‌‌です。彼は現在、ノースカロライナ州ウィーバービルから対談に参加しています。

彼の学術的なキャリアの初期の関心は宗教学にあり、‌‌新約聖書学‌‌が彼の最初の学術的な関心分野でした。彼はギリシャ語とヘブライ語を学び、‌‌修士課程まで聖書学の研究‌‌を行っていました。また、彼はカトリックの伝統で育ち、‌‌初期の4年間は司祭になるための勉強‌‌をしていました。

さらに、彼は現在、カリフォルニア統合学研究所の非常勤講師、ノエティック科学研究所の‌‌名誉フェロー‌‌、グロフ・レガシー・トレーニングの‌‌諮問委員‌‌も務めています。

2. 著作と探求の軌跡

バッチ氏は4冊の著書を出版しており、そのそれぞれが彼の精神的・集合的な探求の段階を反映しています。

1. 『Life Cycles, Reincarnation and the Web of Life』

これは彼が‌‌学者として最初に執筆した本‌‌であり、キャリアの初期から転生に関心を持っていたことを示しています。彼は、イアン・スティーブンソンの研究（バージニア大学）とスタン・グロフの研究（『無意識の領域』）に出会ったことがきっかけで、‌‌転生のレンズを通して世界を見る‌‌ようになりました。この初期の探求は、主に‌‌個人的カルマ‌‌（個人の原因と結果、選択、世代を超えて受け継がれる条件付け）のレベルに焦点を当てていました。彼は、人生とは過去生から始まったプロジェクトの継続であり、治癒されていない傷や満たされなかった希望、あるいは特定の分野での努力の成果（プラス面や利益）が引き継がれていることを示しました。

2. 『Dark Night, Early Dawn』

この著書は、‌‌個人カルマと集合カルマの関係‌‌を考察することを根本的なテーマとしています。バッチ氏が後のサイケデリック探求で非常に深いレベルに到達したとき、‌‌個人と集合の境界が溶解する‌‌ことを発見し、そのダイナミックな関係性について探求しています。

3. 『The Living Classroom, Teaching and Collective Consciousness』

この本は、バッチ氏が個人的に行っていたサイケデリック実践が、違法であったため学生に話すことができなかったにもかかわらず、‌‌教室に集合的な目覚め‌‌（集団的な覚醒）を引き起こした経験に基づいて書かれています。この経験を通じて、彼は自身の個人的な変容のプロセスが外部に‌‌放射され‌‌、他者の自己変容のプロセスに影響を与えることを、‌‌「経験的に実証されたような形」‌‌で経験しました。この著作は、人間が‌‌常に境界のない状態‌‌（多孔性、相互連結性）にあるという理解を裏付けています。

4. 『LSD in the Mind of the Universe, Diamonds from Heaven』

この本は、彼の‌‌73回のLSDセッション‌‌を通じての経験を共有しており、多数の‌‌死と再生の体験‌‌を含んでいます。この探求の中で、彼は個人的な意識のレベルを超えて‌‌集合的なレベルの意識‌‌に入り始め、機能する単位が個々の人間ではなく、‌‌種全体‌‌であったレベルに到達しました。この経験が、彼に人類全体が世代を超えて‌‌集合的カルマと集合的転生‌‌を通じて進化しているという理解をもたらしました。彼はこの探求を通じて、人類の精神的進化、すなわち「‌‌未来の人間（Future Human）‌‌」と呼ばれる新しい形態の人間への誕生という歴史的プロジェクトを究明するに至りました。

3. 探求の進化：個人から集合へ

バッチ氏の著作群は、彼の転生とカルマに関する理解が、‌‌個人的な探求から集合的な探求へと拡大した過程‌‌を明確に示しています。

初期の関心は、過去生の研究や過去生セラピーの事例研究を通じて、‌‌個人的な魂の連続性‌‌を立証することでした。しかし、サイケデリック探求（LSDセッション）を開始したことで、彼は個人的なカルマのレベルを超えて、人類という種全体の‌‌集合的な心理（Collective Psyche）‌‌の中に保持されている未解決の苦しみの記憶（戦争、殺害、レイプなど）の‌‌記憶のマトリックス‌‌に入り込み、これを「‌‌苦しみの海‌‌」と表現しました。

この経験により、個人のトラウマと同様に、‌‌種の集合意識も集合的トラウマによって負担を負っている‌‌という理解に至り、‌‌集合的なレベルでの転生と進化‌‌というテーマが確立されました。バッチ氏は、この集合的な進化のプロセスを、集合的な「死と再生」のダイナミクスとして捉えています。

カルマと転生（個人レベル）

クリス・バッチ氏の「集合的カルマと転生」というより大きな文脈において、ソースは‌‌カルマと転生（個人レベルクリス・バッチ氏の「集合的カルマと転生」というより大きな文脈において、ソースは‌‌カルマと転生（個人レベル）‌‌を、‌‌魂の継続的な進化の事実‌‌、そして‌‌個人が自身の運命を意識的に形成する力‌**‌を持つための基盤として説明しています。バッチ氏の集合的カルマの理論は、まず個人的なレベルでの転生の理解から発展しました。

1. 転生の事実と継続性

バッチ氏は、転生を「‌‌人生の単なる事実‌‌ (just a fact of life)」として捉えています。

‌‌初期の探求と証拠‌‌: 彼の学術的キャリアの初期の著作『Life Cycles, Reincarnation and the Web of Life』は、転生への関心から生まれました。彼は、イアン・スティーブンソンの研究（世界中の子どもたちの自発的な前世の記憶に関するもの）を深く研究し、転生が知的に信頼できる圧倒的な証拠を提供していると考えています。
‌‌前世の継続‌‌: 彼は、‌‌「すべての人生は、過去に生きた人生の継続」‌‌であり、未来の人生へとつながるものと理解しています。
‌‌「プロジェクト」の引き継ぎ‌‌: 人生は、過去生で始まり、完遂されなかった‌‌プロジェクトの継続‌‌です。これは、治癒されていない傷や満たされなかった希望だけでなく、‌‌プラス面、利益、特定の分野で積み重ねた努力の成果‌‌といった美点も、後の人生に引き継がれることを意味します。人々は、主に問題を受け継ぐと考えがちですが、それは真実ではありません。
‌‌魂の性質‌‌: バッチ氏は、「クリス・ペース」という‌‌パーソナリティやアイデンティティは一度だけ生きる‌‌が、‌‌魂‌‌（意識やエネルギー）は永遠に生き続ける可能性があると述べています。それぞれの転生は、‌‌「ダイヤモンドのカット面」‌‌のようなものであり、ダイヤモンド（魂）は永遠に生きています。

2. 個人的カルマの定義と仕組み

カルマは、個人レベルでの進化のメカニズムとして機能します。

‌‌原因と結果の法則‌‌: バッチ氏は、カルマを「罰」ではなく、厳密にはヒンディー語で「カルマ・ヴィパーカ」と呼ばれる‌‌原因と結果の法則‌‌であると説明しています。この法則は、物理的な世界だけでなく、私たちの‌‌心理的な世界や精神的な世界‌‌にも当てはまります。
‌‌選択とその影響‌‌: 私たちが下す‌‌選択‌‌には原因と結果があります。私たちは常に学習するシステムであり、選択（何かを遠ざけるか、含めるか、傷つけるか、支援するか）を行うことで、‌‌学習の軌跡‌‌を設定しています。
‌‌個人的カルマ‌‌: 彼の初期の著作や探求は、主に「個人的カルマ」、すなわち‌‌個人的な原因と結果、個人的な選択、生涯から生涯へと伝達される条件付け‌‌のレベルに焦点を当てていました。

3. カルマへの意識的な取り組み方と力

転生とカルマの視点は、個人に‌‌自身の運命をコントロールするための力‌‌を与えます。

‌‌人生の知的な説明‌‌: 転生の視点を持つと、‌‌人生がより知的で理解しやすいもの‌‌になります。なぜある人は芸術や音楽に非常に長けているのか、なぜある人は特定の活動に適性を持っているのかといった、遺伝子の突然変異では説明できない資質が、‌‌過去生の選択と努力‌‌に由来すると理解できるようになります。
‌‌希望の根拠と変革の力‌‌: この視点は‌‌希望の根拠‌‌となります。私たちは過去の囚人ではなく、‌‌過去によって形作られた文脈‌‌の中で行動していますが、その文脈の中で選択をすることで、‌‌より良い未来を創造する力‌‌を持っています。
‌‌内的な変容‌‌: 意識的にカルマに取り組むためには、精神的な実践を通じて‌‌心を清め、内側の乱れを減らす‌‌ことが重要です。私たちが内的に明晰で平和であることで、その変容が‌‌世界に放射され‌‌、他者の変容プロセスに影響を与えます。
‌‌自己受容の役割‌‌: 「ワンネス」の真理を経験するためには、‌‌自分自身と一つになること‌‌が必須であり、そのために‌‌自己愛と自己受容‌‌（影やトラウマを深く受け入れること）が極めて重要です。

4. 集合的次元との関連

個人的なカルマの探求は、最終的に集合的なレベルの理解へと導かれました。

‌‌境界の溶解‌‌: バッチ氏が深いサイケデリック探求に入ったとき、個人的なレベルを超えて‌‌集合的なレベルの意識‌‌に入り始めました。深く入るにつれて、‌‌個人と集合の境界が溶解‌‌し、個人の人生で起こっていることと、我々が属する‌‌種（人類）の人生‌‌で起こっていることとの間に、よりダイナミックな関係性が生まれることを認識しました。
‌‌進化の単位‌‌: 彼は、個々の人間が人類という組織の‌‌細胞‌‌であり、すべての心が人類の意識という組織の中の‌‌光の細胞‌‌であるという経験をしています。
‌‌相互進化‌‌: 転生は、単に個々人が成長して生きるプロセスではなく、‌‌種全体が世代を超えて転生し、集合的に生き、成長している‌‌プロセスとして理解されています。

このように、個人レベルのカルマと転生は、クリス・バッチ氏の探求の出発点であり、個人の魂が時間の広大な広がりの中で進化し、その過程で、すべての選択と行動が集合的な意識と切り離せない形で関連していることを示しています。

集合的カルマと意識

集合的カルマと転生というより大きな文脈において、提示されたソースは、クリス・バッチ氏の学術的背景、著作、そして彼の探求が個人的なレベルから集団的な意識へとどのように進化し、その結果として「集合的カルマ」の概念に至ったのかについて詳細に述べています。

クリス・バッチ氏の背景と初期の著作

‌‌学術的背景とキャリア‌‌ クリス・バッチ氏は、オハイオ州のヤングスタウン州立大学哲学部および宗教学部で33年間教鞭を執った‌‌名誉教授‌‌です。彼は現在、ノースカロライナ州ウィーバービルから対談に参加しています。また、カリフォルニア統合学研究所の非常勤講師、ノエティック科学研究所の名誉フェロー、グロフ・レガシー・トレーニングの諮問委員も務めています。彼は元々、新約聖書学を学び、修士課程まで聖書学の研究を行っていました。

‌‌著作の概要‌‌ バッチ氏は4冊の著書を出版しており、その中には、本対談の主題と深く関わるものも含まれています。

‌‌*Life Cycles, Reincarnation and the Web of Life‌‌*
- これは彼が学者として最初に執筆した本であり、キャリアの初期から転生に関心を持っていたことを示しています。彼は、イアン・スティーブンソンの研究やスタン・グロフの研究に出会い、転生というレンズを通して世界を見るようになったと述べています。この初期の探求は、主に個人的なカルマ（個人の原因と結果、選択、世代を超えて受け継がれる条件付け）のレベルに焦点を当てていました。
‌‌*Dark Night, Early Dawn‌‌*
- この本は、個人と集合の境界が溶解する非常に深いレベルを探求しており、‌‌個人カルマと集合カルマの関係‌‌を考察することを基本的なテーマとしています。
‌‌*The Living Classroom, Teaching and Collective Consciousness‌‌*
- この本は、彼の私的なサイケデリック実践が、違法であったため学生に話すことができなかったにもかかわらず、どのように学生たちに影響を与え、教室内に一種の‌‌集合的な目覚め‌‌を引き起こしたかという経験に基づいています。彼はこの経験から、人間は高次の微妙な神秘的意識状態においてだけでなく、常に‌‌境界のない状態‌‌（多孔性、相互連結性）にあることを示しました。
‌‌*LSD in the Mind of the Universe, Diamonds from Heaven‌‌*
- この著書は、バッチ氏が73回のLSDセッションを通じて経験した、多数の死と再生の経験について共有されています。また、このセッションは、彼が「未来の人間（future human）」と呼ぶ、‌‌人類の精神的進化‌‌を探求する基盤となりました。

集合的カルマと転生への移行

バッチ氏のキャリアと著作は、転生とカルマに関する理解が、個人的な領域から集合的な領域へと深まっていった過程を反映しています。

‌‌個人的カルマの探求‌‌ キャリア初期、バッチ氏は過去の人生の証拠を研究し、過去生療法（past life therapy）の事例を多数研究しました。彼は、人生とは、過去の人生で始まったプロジェクトの継続であり、治癒されていない傷や満たされなかった希望が複雑に引き継がれていると考えました。人々は過去から問題だけでなく、美点、利益、特定の分野で積み重ねた努力の成果も引き継いでいると強調しています。

‌‌集合的意識とカルマの発見‌‌ 彼の研究は、サイケデリック探求を開始したことで劇的に拡大しました。

‌‌非個人的な意識レベルへの移行‌‌: サイケデリック探求の過程で、彼は個人的な意識のレベルを超え、‌‌集合的なレベルの意識‌‌に入り始めました。この深いレベルでは、機能する単位は個々の人間ではなく、‌‌種全体‌‌であったと述べています。
‌‌種のトラウマ‌‌: 彼は、種の集合的な心理の中に保持されている、未解決の苦しみの記憶のマトリックス（戦争、殺害、レイプ、痛みなど）に入り込み、これを「‌‌苦しみの海‌‌」と表現しています。
‌‌個人と集合の境界の溶解‌‌: 個人のカルマが過去のトラウマによって負担を負うのと同様に、種の集合意識も‌‌集合的トラウマ‌‌によって負担を負っているという理解に至りました。深く探求すると、個人と集合の境界が溶解し、彼は「神との神秘的な一体化」に至る前に、‌‌種の意識‌‌へと溶解する経験をしました。
‌‌種の転生‌‌: この経験に基づき、彼は人類という種全体が、世代を超えて‌‌集合的カルマと集合的転生‌‌を通じて進化していると理解しています。

集合的カルマの文脈における現在の危機

バッチ氏は、集合的カルマの概念を、現代人類が直面している危機に適用しています。

‌‌集合的浄化の時‌‌: 彼は、現在が人類の歴史において非常に重要な、非常に前向きな転換期に入っていると考えていますが、これを実現するためには、深い‌‌集合的浄化‌‌の期間を経験する必要があります。彼は、種全体を単一の瞑想する存在と見なし、個々の神秘家が悟りの前に「魂の暗夜」を経験するように、人類は今、集合的なトラウマと歴史を表面化させ、癒すために、‌‌激しい浄化‌‌を経験していると示唆しています。
‌‌意識の危機‌‌: 地球が持続不可能になる危機に瀕している状況は、主に人間によって引き起こされており、これは根本的に‌‌意識の危機‌‌であると彼は主張します。我々をこの窮地へと導いたのは、エゴの限界、孤独、そして自己中心性です。
‌‌進化の加速‌‌: 彼は、人類が‌‌絶滅の脅威‌‌という形で、文化の「臨死体験」に直面している可能性があると考えています。絶滅の脅威は、私たちを成長させるための「‌‌巨大な進化の加速器‌‌」として機能します。
‌‌未来の人間‌‌: 彼のビジョンは、人類が集団的な死と再生のプロセスに直面しており、その歴史的なプロジェクトが、‌‌未来の人間‌‌（ホモ・スピリチュアリスやホモ・ノエティクスとも呼ばれる）と呼ばれる、新しい形態の人間を生み出すことであるという理解へと導きました。

このように、バッチ氏の著作とキャリアは、個人的な魂の探求から始まり、サイケデリックな経験を通じて集合的な意識の広大さに目覚め、最終的に集合的カルマと転生を、人類全体の進化的な課題と結びつけるに至った、一貫した探求の軌跡を描いています。

Oneness の体験

クリス・バッチ氏の「集合的カルマと転生」という大きな文脈において、「ワンネスの体験」は、個人の精神的な探求が集団的な意識と進化のプロセスにどのように結びついているかを理解するための‌‌核となる真理‌‌として位置づけられています。

ソースによると、ワンネスの体験は、バッチ氏がLSDセッションや瞑想を通じて到達した意識の深い状態から得られた、彼の集合的カルマに関する理論の基盤となっています。

ワンネスの本質と体験の深さ

普遍的な本質の認識

バッチ氏は、精神的な伝統は「ワンネス」について一つの声で語っているとし、個人の本質は全体性の本質であり、‌‌人間の核心（コア）は神聖さ（ディヴァイン、あるいは神）の本質‌‌であると述べています。この真理を探求することで、自身の本質がこの世界のすべての生命体、さらには無生物と‌‌同じ‌‌であるという理解に到達します。

境界の溶解と多孔性

この認識が開かれると、‌‌「自己と他者」の間に存在する確固たる境界線が消え去り‌‌、‌‌深いワンネスの感覚‌‌が生じます。

バッチ氏は、意識にはトランスパーソナル（個人を超えた）な側面があり、自身がサイケデリック探求に進む中で、個人的なレベルを超えて‌‌集合的な意識のレベル‌‌へと落ちていったと述べています。
彼は、神との神秘的な一体化という「ワンネスの神秘的状態」に至る‌‌前に‌‌、‌‌人類という種の意識の中へと溶解する‌‌経験をしました。
この深い探求を通じて、人間は高次の微妙な神秘的意識状態にある時だけでなく、‌‌常に境界のない状態‌‌（多孔性、相互連結性）にあることが示されました。

体験の段階と強度

ワンネスの体験は、オンとオフを切り替えるスイッチのようなものではなく、‌‌多くの程度のワンネス‌‌や、ワンネスへの‌‌入門の多くの段階‌‌が存在します。

体験は、ワンネスの知覚から始まり、その端に触れることから、比喩的に言えば「ワンネスの量子構造に実際に溶解する」という‌‌より深い没入‌‌へと進みます。
全体性や神聖さとのワンネスは、‌‌極度に強烈な意識状態とエネルギー状態‌‌です。この恵まれた開口部に入ると、世界全体が新しい方法で生き生きとし、孤独のあらゆる形が消え去り、‌‌絶妙な精神的親密さ‌‌が生まれます。

集合的カルマとの関連性

ワンネスの体験は、個人と集合的カルマの関係を理解する上で極めて重要です。

‌‌集合体の中の個‌‌：バッチ氏は、各人間は人類という組織の‌‌細胞‌‌であり、すべての心は人類の意識という組織の中の‌‌光の細胞‌‌であると経験しました。ワンネスの真理は、個人を溶解させるのではなく、個人を、個人よりも大きな‌‌相互連結のウェブ‌‌の中に位置づけることで、‌‌個人を非常に深く肯定する‌‌と説明しています。
‌‌浄化と癒し‌‌：ワンネスの体験は、「自己を愛すること」が不可欠であることを明確にします。‌‌神と、そしてすべての生命と一つになるためには、まず自分自身と一つにならなければならない‌‌からです。このプロセスにおいて、個人の負傷、トラウマ、自己破壊的な習慣など、自己との一体化と両立しないすべてが表面に押し出され、浄化されます。
‌‌変容の放射‌‌：ワンネスを体験することの自然な結果は‌‌深いコンパッション（思いやり）‌‌です。個人が精神的なブレイクスルーや心理的なブレイクスルーを達成するとき、それらのブレイクスルーは世界に‌‌放射され‌‌、他の人々の人生に触れます。バッチ氏は、自分の私的なサイケデリック実践が、違法であったため公言できなかったにもかかわらず、学生たちの集合的な目覚め（集団的な覚醒）を引き起こした経験から、この‌‌変容の放射‌‌を実証的に理解しました。
‌‌全体の目的への貢献‌‌：静かな瞑想状態に入ると、私たちを他者の人生に繋ぐ‌‌「糸」‌‌が存在することが感じられます。これらの糸は、あたかも木の葉がすべて同じ生命体につながっているように、生命の組織の一部であり、‌‌切断することはできません‌‌。これは、個人が人生で直面する課題を克服し、より良い選択をすることで、‌‌全体の利益‌‌のために自発的に行動するようになることを示唆しています。

このように、ワンネスの体験は、クリス・バッチ氏にとって、個人的な魂の進化（転生）と、種としての集合的な進化（集合的カルマ）が密接に結びついた、‌‌生命全体が一体となって進化する壮大なプロジェクト‌‌の一部であることを理解するための直接的な知恵の源となっています。

宗教と転生

クリス・バッチ氏の「集合的カルマと転生」という広範な文脈において、ソースは、宗教的伝統が転生をどのように扱ってきたか、特に西洋の主要な宗教が転生を拒否または抑制した経緯、そしてバッチ氏がその現象をどのように再評価しているかについて詳細に論じています。

宗教的背景と学術的探求

バッチ氏自身、学術的なキャリアの初期には‌‌新約聖書学‌‌を専攻し、ギリシャ語とヘブライ語を学び、修士課程まで聖書学の研究を行っていました。彼はかつてカトリックの伝統で育ち、‌‌4年間司祭になるための勉強をしていた‌‌経験があります。この深い宗教的・学術的な背景が、彼の宗教と転生に関する考察の基盤となっています。

東洋の宗教と西洋の宗教における転生観

バッチ氏は、転生の概念に対する宗教的な姿勢を、東洋と西洋で対比させています。

‌‌東洋の宗教:‌‌ 仏教、ヒンドゥー教、そして道教のような東洋の宗教は、転生を‌‌自然に肯定‌‌しています。
‌‌西洋の宗教と神秘主義:‌‌ 西洋の主要な宗教では転生が主流ではありませんが、その宗教の‌‌神秘主義的、または深遠な実践者のレベル‌‌ではしばしば転生が受け入れられています。
- ‌‌ユダヤ教:‌‌ 伝統的なラビ・ユダヤ教は転生を肯定しませんが、ユダヤ教の神秘主義的な伝統である‌‌ハシディズム‌‌は肯定しています。
- ‌‌イスラム教:‌‌ 伝統的な主流のイスラム教は転生を重視しませんが、神秘主義的なイスラム教である‌‌スーフィーの伝統‌‌は転生を肯定しています。

キリスト教における転生観の複雑な歴史

キリスト教における転生の扱いはより複雑です。

‌‌初期の教えと弾圧:‌‌ キリスト教の歴史を振り返ると、転生は初期の宗派（後に異端とされた‌‌グノーシス派‌‌など）によって教えられており、‌‌数百年間にわたって‌‌キリスト教の標準的な解釈として教えられていたようです。しかし、キリスト教は転生を肯定した一部の神秘家を処刑する傾向にあり、カタリ派などに対して十字軍が行われた歴史があります。
‌‌教会の権威の確立:‌‌ 紀元3世紀から4世紀頃のローマ帝国の崩壊と社会秩序の崩壊という背景の下、教会組織（エクレシアの教会）は自らの存続のために‌‌強固な教会中心‌‌の権威が必要だと考えました。
‌‌転生の排除の理由:‌‌ 転生は個人に‌‌「自分自身の転生を解決するためのあまりにも多くの自律性」‌‌を与えてしまうため、‌‌教会の権威の優位性‌‌を弱体化させると判断されました。バッチ氏は、転生がイエスの教えと両立しないわけではなく、‌‌個人に与える自律性が高すぎること‌‌が、特定の公会議で転生をキリスト教の許容される教えから外す決定が下された主な理由だったと考えています。

転生による神学の再解釈

バッチ氏は、現代において転生に関する‌‌学術的な証拠‌‌（イアン・スティーブンソンの研究など）が提示されている今、キリスト教徒がこの古い教えを再評価することを妨げるものは何もないと主張しています。

‌‌現代の信仰:‌‌ 実際、全米調査では、‌‌アメリカのカトリック教徒の約25%‌‌、‌‌プロテスタントの約26%‌‌が転生を信じていることが示されています。
‌‌人生の合理性:‌‌ 転生の視点（多生による進化）を受け入れることは、‌‌「一度きりの人生」‌‌を信じる西洋神学の発展では‌‌人生を根本的に説明不能にする‌‌という問題を解消します。なぜある人は非常に多くのものを持つ一方で、ある人は苦痛や苦しみを負っているのか、という問いは、最終的に「理解不能な神」に委ねられることになります。
‌‌「魂の自律性」の回復:‌‌ 転生の視点を開くと、人生がより理にかなうようになり、‌‌不可解さ‌‌は神の不可解さではなく、‌‌「人生は一度きりだ」という真実ではないことを信じることによって生じる不可解さ‌‌であると理解されます。

バッチ氏は、自身の著書『Life Cycles』の中で、キリスト教の深い価値観や教義を肯定しながらも、転生の要素を取り入れた「転生論的キリスト教」がどのようなものになるかを学生たちに教える章を設けています。

集合的カルマとの結びつき

宗教的伝統は、個人を超えた‌‌集合的な性質‌‌（コンパッションや内省的なブレイクスルーが外部に放射されること）を認識してきました。バッチ氏の集合的カルマの探求も、この「ワンネス」という真理に基づいています。

彼にとって、転生は個人の魂の進化だけでなく、‌‌種全体が世代を経て転生し、集合的カルマを通じて成長している‌‌という壮大なプロセスの一部です。この集合的な視点から見ると、宗教的な教えや倫理的な指針（例えば仏教の四聖諦や、害を与えないことなど）は、個人が精神的な明晰さを深め、集合的な流れをより良く制御するための基本的な手順となります。

宗教的ドグマに対するバッチ氏の立場

バッチ氏は、宗教の歴史を研究する中で、ドグマがどのように形成されるかを目の当たりにしました。彼は、教義が歴史的・文化的な制約を強く受けているため、従来の‌‌「神」や「ディヴァイン（神聖）」‌‌といった用語を使うことに慎重です。彼は、自身の経験した広大で壮大な宇宙の深層を表現するために、『LSD in the Mind of the Universe』のタイトルにあるように、特定の神のイメージに具体化するのではなく、‌‌「宇宙の心（Mind of the Universe）」‌‌という言葉を好んで使用しています。

現在の集合的危機と未来

クリス・バッチ氏の「集合的カルマと転生」というより大きな文脈において、ソースは、現在人類が直面している危機を‌‌集合的な死と再生のプロセス‌‌として捉えており、この危機は種全体の‌‌精神的進化‌‌の加速に不可欠であると説明しています。

1. 現在の集合的危機の本質と原因

バッチ氏は、現代の世界の状況を、人類の歴史における‌‌非常に強烈な時期‌‌として認識しています。

‌‌地球規模の脅威‌‌

現在、地球全体が、人類の人口を維持できなくなる‌‌危険に瀕している‌‌状況です。
この問題は、自然が引き起こしているのではなく、‌‌人間が選択を行い、問題を引き起こしている‌‌ものであり、‌‌人為的なもの‌‌です。
地球温暖化などの危機は大きな影響をもたらし、近い将来、多くの命が失われることになります。

‌‌危機は意識の危機である‌‌

我々が直面している変革は、政治、経済、産業生産、農業の変革が‌‌主要なのではなく‌‌、根本的に‌‌意識の危機‌‌です。
人類をこの窮地へと導いたのは、‌‌エゴの限界、孤独、そして自己中心性‌‌といった人間の意識の構造そのものです。
現在の社会的な不確実性や分裂は、種として直面している課題にどのように対処すべきかについて、多くの人々が明確な答えを持てていないことから生じています。

2. 危機が集団的浄化と進化の加速器となる

バッチ氏は、この激動の時期を、集合的なカルマと転生という視点から再解釈し、‌‌浄化（クレンジング）‌‌の期間として捉えています。

‌‌集合的な「魂の暗夜」‌‌

個人の神秘家が悟りを得る前に「‌‌魂の暗夜‌‌」（深くて強烈な個人的な浄化の期間）を経験するように、種全体を‌‌単一の瞑想する存在‌‌と見なすと、同様のことが起こっていると彼は考えています。
普遍的な愛と両立しない信念や衝動など、‌‌悟りと両立しないすべて‌‌がシステムから強制的に押し出されています。
今、人類は、集合的なカルマ、集合的な歴史、文化制度など、私たちがこの高次の状態を体験するのを妨げているすべてを‌‌取り除く‌‌必要があります。
人類の「‌‌影（シャドウ）‌‌」が、現在の非常に破壊的で自己中心的な政策や慣行を通じて‌‌表面化‌‌しており、影を癒すためにはまずそれを‌‌露呈‌‌させなければなりません。この激しい浄化は、深い精神的覚醒へと導く不可欠な要素です。

‌‌絶滅の脅威と進化の加速‌‌

人類は現在、‌‌絶滅に近い事象‌‌に直面している可能性があります。
バッチ氏は、この絶滅の脅威を「‌‌巨大な進化の加速器‌‌」として捉えています。
我々は「‌‌成長するか、死ぬか‌‌」という分岐点に差し掛かっています。
バッチ氏は、合理的な計算ではなく‌‌精神的な経験‌‌に基づいて、人類はこの危機を乗り越えると信じていますが、それは文明を大きく変える危機となるでしょう。

3. 未来の展望：「未来の人間」の誕生

この集合的な死と再生のダイナミクスは、人類の歴史のプロジェクトにおける‌‌転換点‌‌であり、新しい形態の人間を生み出すことを目的としています。

‌‌種の進化としての死と再生‌‌

バッチ氏は、自身が経験した個人的な「死と再生」の体験が、今や歴史の中で醸成されつつある‌‌巨大で強力な死と再生のダイナミクス‌‌と関連していることを洞察しました。このダイナミクスは、人類全体を捉えています。
歴史のプロジェクトは、‌‌新しい種類の人類‌‌、すなわち彼が「‌‌未来の人間（Future Human）‌‌」と呼ぶ存在（ホモ・スピリチュアリスやホモ・ノエティクスとも呼ばれる）を生み出すことです。
この変革は、古い人間を磨き上げたり、改善したりするだけのものではありません。それは、集合的な意識の‌‌プレートテクトニクスをシフトさせる‌‌‌‌真の革命‌‌です。

‌‌集合的な精神的シフト‌‌

この「軸（ピボット）」の後に生まれるすべての子どもたちは、‌‌文字通り異なる集合的意識‌‌の中で機能することになります。これは非常に深い集合的レベルで起こる変化です。
人類は、この発達プロセス（絶え間ない発展と精神的現実の統合の流れ）を‌‌単一の生命体‌‌として、世代を超えて転、改善したりするだけのものではありません。それは、集合的な意識の‌‌プレートテクトニクスをシフトさせる‌‌‌‌真の革命‌‌です。

‌‌集合的な精神的シフト‌‌

この「軸（ピボット）」の後に生まれるすべての子どもたちは、‌‌文字通り異なる集合的意識‌‌の中で機能することになります。これは非常に深い集合的レベルで起こる変化です。
人類は、この発達プロセス（絶え間ない発展と精神的現実の統合の流れ）を‌‌単一の生命体‌‌として、世代を超えて転生しながら進んでいます。
集合的な死と再生のプロセスを経験する中で、一部の世代は、進化のための‌‌「犠牲」‌‌となるという、厳しくも壮大な教えを受け入れました。これは、人類がこの時点での種の進化における創造的な知性への‌‌自発的な捧げ物‌‌として引き受けた役割であると理解されています。

‌‌未来への希望と個人の役割‌‌

バッチ氏は、未来に関する洞察は‌‌深く安心できるもの‌‌だったと告白しています。彼は、闇の波、カオス、社会的な闘争を感じていますが、深いレベルで何が起こっているかを理解することで大きな力を得ています。
個人は、自己の内側の探求（個人的な変容）と外側の社会的な行動（集合体への貢献）の‌‌両方‌‌に取り組むべきです。内的な明晰さがないまま社会活動を行うと、成功を収めてもさらなる損害を残す可能性があるため、‌‌深い内的な明晰さと平和‌‌を保ちつつ、社会的な平和のために活動することが重要です。

この集合的な転生とカルマの枠組みは、人類が無限の時間の中で進化しているという視点を提供し、現在の危機を、より高く、より知的な存在へと進化するための‌‌避けられない浄化の時期‌‌として位置づけています。

カルマへの意識的な取り組み方

クリス・バッチ氏の「集合的カルマと転生」というより大きな文脈において、カルマへの意識的な取り組み方とは、‌‌自己の変容を通じて集合体に貢献する‌‌という‌‌個人的な選択と責任‌‌の行使を意味します。それは、カルマを「罰自己の変容を通じて集合体に貢献する‌‌という‌‌個人的な選択と責任‌‌の行使を意味します。それは、カルマを「罰」としてではなく、‌‌進化のための学習と成長のプラットフォーム‌**‌として捉え直し、意識的な努力によって未来を創造する行為として説明されています。

1. カルマの理解：原因と結果の学習システム

バッチ氏はまず、カルマの概念を明確にしています。

‌‌カルマは罰ではない‌‌: カルマは「罰」ではなく、厳密には‌‌原因と結果‌‌（ヒンディー語で「カルマ・ヴィパーカ」）です。
‌‌宇宙の普遍的な法則‌‌: 宇宙全体が原因と結果の法則に基づいて動いています。物理的な世界だけでなく、私たちの‌‌心理的な世界も精神的な世界も、原因と結果に基づいて動いています‌‌。
‌‌選択とその結果‌‌: 私たちが下す‌‌選択‌‌には、原因と結果があります。人間は常に学習するシステムであり、選択をすることで、学習の軌跡を設定しています（例えば、何かを遠ざけるか、含めるか、傷つけるか、支援するかといった選択）。
‌‌運命のコントロール‌‌: カルマの中核にあるのは、‌‌人間が自分の運命をコントロールするための計り知れない力‌‌を与えられているという考えです。短期的な運動量によって制御できないとしても、原因となる力の勢いに体系的に関与し始めることで、‌‌より明確な選択‌‌をし始めることができます。

2. 意識的な取り組みの原則と実践

カルマに意識的に取り組むことは、人生をより明晰で豊かなものにするための具体的なライフスタイルの選択と精神的な実践を通じて行われます。

A. 精神的な実践を通じた内的な浄化

カルマの束縛から解放されるための基本的な方法は、‌‌心の乱れを減らすこと‌‌です。

‌‌明晰さの獲得‌‌: 様々な精神的な実践を通じて、自分の人生の経験を深めるにつれて、心がより明晰になります。
‌‌制限の解放‌‌: 人生の流れを収縮させている力は緩み始め、非常に微妙で神秘的な方法で、‌‌自分が人生というエネルギーの流れを制御している‌‌ことに気づき始めます。
‌‌古い選択の反転‌‌: 過去にその流れを収縮させるような選択をした場合でも、‌‌現在その選択を逆転させる‌‌ことができます。
‌‌心の指針‌‌: すべての精神的伝統には、心を清め、心を清めるためのガイドラインや戒めがあります。例えば、仏教徒は‌‌四聖諦‌‌から始め、‌‌危害を加えない、正しい言葉、正しい行い‌‌といった基本的な真実から出発します。

B. 倫理的・道徳的な行動変容

カルマを清らかにするために、具体的な行動を変えることが推奨されます。

‌‌ネガティブな行動の停止‌‌: 他者よりも自分を優遇するようなことは‌‌すべてやめる‌‌こと。他の人を傷つけるようなことは‌‌すべてやめる‌‌こと。言葉で誰かを傷つけるたびに、‌‌それをやめる‌‌こと。
‌‌平和なライフスタイル‌‌: これらの行動を停止すると、システム全体が徐々に落ち着き始めます。人々は‌‌より穏やかで、静かで、平和なライフスタイル‌‌を送り始めることができます。
‌‌世界への関与‌‌: 穏やかで静かになったとしても、それは世界から身を引くことを意味しません。私たちは世界に存在し、仕事をしながら、‌‌異なる方法で関与する‌‌ことができます。

C. 自己愛と自己受容の必要性

ワンネスとカルマの取り組みにおいて、自己愛は‌‌絶対的に不可欠‌‌です。

‌‌ワンネスへの前提‌‌: 神と、そしてすべての生命と一つになるためには、まず‌‌自分自身と一つになる‌‌必要があります。
‌‌影との対峙‌‌: 宇宙と一つになろうとするとき、自己との一体化と両立しないすべて（傷、トラウマ、自己破壊的な習慣や行動）が表面に押し出されます。
‌‌深い自己愛‌‌: これには、‌‌影を受け入れ‌‌、その影を腕に抱いた赤子のように愛し、世話をし、育む‌‌深い自己愛‌‌が必要です。この無条件の愛と受容を通じて、清める必要があるものを清めることができます。

3. 個人的カルマと集合的カルマへの取り組み

個人の意識的な取り組みは、単なる自己利益のためだけでなく、集合体全体に貢献します。

‌‌放射効果‌‌: 個人が精神的なブレイクスルーや心理的なブレイクスルーを達成するとき、それらのブレイクスルーは世界に‌‌放射され‌‌、他の人々の人生に触れます。個人的な変容のプロセスは、他者の自己変容のプロセスに影響を与えます。
‌‌「両手」のアプローチ‌‌: カルマへの取り組みは、個人として内側に焦点を当てるか、集合体として外側に焦点を当てるかの‌‌「どちらか一方」ではない‌‌。
- ‌‌内的な明晰さ‌‌: まず‌‌深い内的な明晰さと平和‌‌を持って、自己に対して内的に明確で平和であること。
- ‌‌社会的な行動‌‌: 内的な明晰さがないまま社会活動を行うと、成功を収めてもさらなる損害を残す可能性があるため、深い内的な平和を保ちつつ、‌‌社会的な明晰さ、社会的な平和のために活動する‌‌こと（両方を行うこと）が重要です。
‌‌成長と未来の創造‌‌: カルマは単なる‌‌プラットフォーム‌‌であり、私たちは過去に囚われているわけではありません。私たちは過去を超えて手を伸ばし、‌‌挑戦はあるにせよ、より明晰で、穏やかで、わくわくする未来を創造する‌‌ことができます。

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Collective Karma and Reincarnation with Chris Bache

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[Emmy Vadnais] : Hello and welcome. I'm Emmy Vadness, co-host with Jeffrey Mishlove. Our topic today is collective karma and reincarnation with my guest, Chris Bache, who is professor emeritus in the Department of Philosophy and Religious Studies at Youngstown State University in Ohio, where he taught for 33 years. He is also adjunct faculty at the California Institute of Integral Studies, Emeritus Fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, and on the Advisory Council of Groff Legacy Training. Chris is author of four books, Life Cycles, Reincarnation and the Web of Life, Dark Night, Early Dawn, The Living Classroom, Teaching and Collective Consciousness, and LSD in the Mind of the Universe, Diamonds from Heaven. If you enjoy this program, please like, subscribe, press the bell icon, and share. (00:02:27)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Chris is joining us from just north of Asheville in Weaverville, North Carolina. Now I'll switch over to the internet video. Welcome, Chris. It is a great joy to be with you on New Thinking Allowed today. (00:02:40)

[Chris Bache] : Thank you, Emmy. It's wonderful to be in conversation with you. (00:02:44)

[Emmy Vadnais] : This is our second interview together, although we also had a live stream. And in that first conversation, we talked about your great book, LSD in the Mind of the Universe, Diamonds from Heaven. And I'll link to that interview in the upper right corner of the screen. In your book and in that conversation, you shared about how through your 73 LSD sessions, you experienced many deaths and rebirths. And today we're going to explore the notion that it sounds like you came to an understanding of that we all have our own individual or personal karma, and that we do reincarnate for the collective good or benefit of all toward what you describe as the future human. (00:03:32)

Yeah. (00:03:33)

[Emmy Vadnais] : To get us started, how did you become interested in this topic of personal but also collective karma and reincarnation? (00:03:42)

[Chris Bache] : Well, the first book I wrote as an academic was Life Cycles, Reincarnation and the Web of Life. So I was interested in reincarnation early in my career. I encountered Ian Stevenson's research at the University of Virginia at about the same time I encountered Stan Groff's research and his book Realms of Human Unconscious. So I took in Stevenson's research deeply and I began to see the world in a way that I had never seen it before. I began to see the world in terms of reincarnation through a lens of reincarnation, understanding that every life is continuation of lives lived in the past and is leading towards lives in the future. (00:04:27)

[Chris Bache] : So I began to study the evidence for reincarnation, and I studied a lot of past life therapy cases. And I began to sort of understand the deeper mechanisms of how lives start many things, they don't get finished. And they sometimes experience injury and wounds that don't get healed, or they have hopes and expectations that are not fulfilled. And those transfer into subsequent former lives, not in a simple or simplistic way, but in a very complex and subtle way, that we are living in a sense the continuation of projects that began before our life. And our life will lead to a continuation of projects after we die, after our body dies. (00:05:14)

[Chris Bache] : So that was all kind of working itself out in my mind. And then when I entered into my psychedelic work, that was all affirmed, and that was elaborated. I had numerous experiences of former lives, and the reality of reincarnation as just a fact of life was presented as kind of a natural exposition of spiritual reality, and how the physical world and the spiritual world are deeply intertwined in this evolutionary process. But all of that thought of so far is all on the level of personal karma, you know, personal cause and effect, personal choice, conditionings transferred from lifetime to lifetime. (00:05:58)

[Chris Bache] : But in the process of doing the psychedelic exploration, I also dropped in, began to drop into levels of consciousness that were not personal, but were collective. Jung's concept of the collective unconscious is an early exploration of this idea. But I've dropped into levels of reality, of conscious reality, where the working unit was not an individual human being, but the working unit was an entire species. And I began to have experiences that were working themselves out in my individual psychedelic sessions that were not personal. They were really focused on collective dynamics. (00:06:46)

[Chris Bache] : So that I describe in a chapter called The Ocean of Suffering, entering into what I later came to understand were memory matrices held in the collective psyche of all the suffering that members of its species had experienced if it was unresolved by the time they died. Memories of war, of killing, of rape, of pain, drought, incest, just lots and lots of painful memories. And I began to understand that just as the individual can be burdened by their past trauma, the psyche of the collective consciousness of our species is likewise burdened by its collective trauma. So that led to a deepening of an understanding about the relationship of individual and collective karma. (00:07:41)

[Chris Bache] : Individual karma and collective karma. That really is the fundamental theme of my second book, Dark Night, Early Dawn, that has to do with examining that when you go very, very deep, that boundary between the individual and the collective dissolves. And it leads to a much more dynamic relationship between what's happening in our individual lives and what's happening in this life of the species of which we are part. And that, of course, is contextualized within the life of the planet, the life of the galaxy, and so on and so forth. (00:08:17)

[Chris Bache] : And so I just had many experiences of being initiated into the life of our species at a collective level. So I dissolved, not into the mystical state of oneness with God, but before getting to that, I dissolved into the consciousness of our species. And I began to have experiences of how the species is evolving through collective karma and collective reincarnation. And individuals within that matrix are evolving through individual karma and individual reincarnation. (00:08:58)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Before we go any further, I know we mentioned this in our previous interview. You, we are not suggesting that people engage in LSD, per se, in order to have these same experiences. (00:09:13)

[SPEAKER_05] : Yeah. (00:09:14)

[Emmy Vadnais] : It's not necessary, right, for a person to get in touch with these parts of themselves to use those substances necessarily. (00:09:22)

[Chris Bache] : Absolutely. I mean, what I did was illegal. I did it because I felt that it was wrong for these important mind-opening drugs to be made illegal. But I would never recommend that anyone else break the law. And there are other techniques that we can use in order to get access to these deep levels of consciousness. This is simply just one of the ways that I entered into this domain. I also did three years of hypnotherapy, exploring my own former lives in that process. (00:09:56)

[Chris Bache] : It had nothing to do with any psychedelics at all. (00:09:59)

[Emmy Vadnais] : You have a whole career as a professor of philosophy of religion. What can you share with us about the spiritual evidence, if you will? And then we can go to the scientific evidence as well for reincarnation. (00:10:17)

[Chris Bache] : Well, I start on the empirical side. I found Ian Stevenson's work intellectually and philosophically compelling. He and his teams have done research and contacted thousands of children around the world who have spontaneous memories of their most immediate previous life. And he was able to document those memories in sufficient detail to be, I think, intellectually credible and providing overwhelming evidence that reincarnation is just a fact of life. Then later, when I began to study a past life therapy literature, and I began to watch and work with people who had experience helping people remember their deep past in order to heal, but also in order to bring forward consciously the many gifts that are stored in their past. (00:11:17)

[Chris Bache] : Because we have a tendency to think that we inherit mostly problems from our past, but that's not true. We inherit all the pluses, all the benefits, all the hard work done in certain areas. In my meditation, I began to experience the boundaryless nature of consciousness itself. I knew that there were dimensions of my mind and my consciousness that were transpersonal, that went beyond my personal identity. And then when I went into deeper psychedelic work, I had many experiences which showed me that reincarnation is simply true. It's just a fact of life. (00:12:02)

[Chris Bache] : And Stevenson's evidence is really, really important, but it's the tip of the iceberg. Because by itself, his evidence does not give us a comprehensive picture of how reincarnation works, how the universe is working in reincarnation. And there's so much we don't know. I mean, I want to say up front, we don't have any idea of what the physics of the soul is. We don't know how consciousness leaves at death and brings all the memories forward. We don't really understand the physics of how that consciousness reintegrates with another incarnation, how its store of knowledge interacts with or interfaces with genetic conditions, genetic and social conditions. (00:12:50)

[Chris Bache] : There's so much that we don't know. There's a lot to be learned with research ahead. But experientially, when you remember your previous lives, and when you run deep into the fabric of life so that you begin to understand that our entire species is reincarnating generation by generation, it's not just individuals who are living and growing, the entire species is living and growing collectively in that process. It's just there's theory, and then there's direct experience. (00:13:26)

[Chris Bache] : And in this case, theory and direct experience reinforce each other. (00:13:30)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Yes, and your experiences using LSD and other forms of substances to take you deeper beyond your personal self, you described how you really felt a sense of oneness. And can you kind of recap that a little bit for us, or for those who might be new to your story? (00:13:53)

Yeah. (00:13:53)

[Chris Bache] : This is a deeper theme than simply the theme of reincarnation. So let's go there, and then we can bring it back into reincarnation, however you would like. The truth of reincarnation is a truth that we are an evolving consciousness over a large, large swath of time. But there are many other truths, and one of the other truths is if we ask, where did we come from? And what are we? And in essence, underneath all this social conditioning and psychological conditioning, what are we? (00:14:26)

[Chris Bache] : And there, the spiritual traditions are very clear, and they speak with one voice, that the essence of the individual is the essence of the totality, that we are, at core, our essence is the essence of the divine, or the essence of God, if you use that language. And so that's another truth. And then you go deeper into that, you realize that what your essence is, is the same as the essence of every living thing in this world, every so-called inanimate thing. So that when that happens, when that opens, there's a profound feeling of oneness that, in a sense, self-dissolves in the sense of there being a boundary, a firm boundary between self and other, that disappears, and one experiences the marvelous miracle of life, living and breathing as one. (00:15:26)

[Chris Bache] : You are just part of life. It's surrounding you. There's a profound feeling of intimacy, kinship. Those graces of being touched by oneness, they can change your life forever, because it shows you a truth that even if you can't sustain that experience, you've seen the truth, you know the truth of it. You can use that truth to guide your life. It leads you to become more compassionate with people. It leads you to become more compassionate with yourself. (00:16:00)

[Chris Bache] : You always are kind of spontaneously looking out for the good of the whole. That's the natural outcome of experiencing oneness, is compassion. That's why in the traditions, wisdom, insight, and compassion move hand in hand. The deeper you experience oneness, the more compassionate you become. (00:16:24)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Can you describe a little bit about your own personal experience of that oneness and what that was like for you? (00:16:32)

[Chris Bache] : That's a challenging question, because to answer your question, I have to remember. And to remember, I have to sink into the memory. Otherwise, it's just a reading of headlines of it. And that takes a little time. But working within the restrictions we have, one of the things I learned is that oneness is not like a switch that goes on and off. But there are many degrees of oneness. There are many stages of initiation into oneness. (00:17:06)

[Chris Bache] : One can have a perception of oneness. One can touch the edges of oneness and feel the truth of oneness in the world. But then you can go deeper into actually kind of dissolving into the quantum structure, if you will, I'm using that metaphorically, of oneness. It's a deeper immersion in the living totality of life. It's challenging because, at least what I've learned, is that deeper states of consciousness exist at higher levels of energy. So the deeper you're going into a reality in the consciousness, you're going into a higher and higher and higher level of energy. (00:17:49)

[Chris Bache] : So oneness with the totality or oneness with the divine is an extremely intense state of consciousness and state of energy to move into. And in my case, I approached it through going through years and years of very intense purifications in my psychedelic sessions. When that oneness, when you're graced with an opening into oneness, it's like the entire world comes alive in a new way. And it's like there's a song in the world that you maybe hadn't heard before, but it's always been there. There is a joy and a falling away of all forms of loneliness and a birthing into an exquisite spiritual intimacy. (00:18:45)

[Chris Bache] : I should say an intimacy which is both spiritual and physical, because it overflows in compassion towards the world. And it also overflows in homecoming, a feeling of homecoming to one's essential nature, one's essential being. And it's like, finally, I found you, or finally, I've been found by you. And then it's just, how deep do you want to go? How deep into the oneness of existence do you dare to go? And I think if one goes too fast, it becomes very challenging and difficult. (00:19:29)

[Chris Bache] : It takes time to assimilate oneness. And then it takes time after you've had the experience to know what to do with it. We talk about integrating our psychedelic experiences. And I'm thinking in many ways that we don't really understand yet how these profound experiences are impacting our psychological development, our psycho-spiritual development, because Indigenous people have been having these experiences for millennia, of course. But we in the West are relatively new to cultivating these experiences. And so we're taking all of our learning and all of our scientific knowledge and all of our high academic knowledge into these states. (00:20:17)

[Chris Bache] : And in some ways, we're like the first generation to combine everything that we have learned about the world from science and critical analysis, and now entering into these deep, deep states of consciousness. And we're holding memories that very few people in history have tried to hold. We're holding memories of profound transcendence, profound intimacy with the divine, profound transcendence of time, moving into deep time, permutations of time, moving into cosmic void experiences. And those are living memories. (00:21:00)

[Chris Bache] : I mean, I can tell you what I was doing on a particular day, in a particular year, 30 years ago. They're very specific. And I remember them the way that most people remember their 50th birthday party. You can just remember it. But how those experiences, which are so transcendent, how they are impacting us and infusing themselves deeper into our being, I think we're just beginning to map some of those processes. (00:21:31)

[Emmy Vadnais] : From those experiences, it sounds like you had a more personal insight into how everything that each of us, perceivably, individually, do, think, feel, impacts the oneness. (00:21:51)

[Chris Bache] : Yes. Think of it this way. Any of the list of negative qualities that we have, personally, that we're bothered by, and we would like to get rid of, and we'd like to transform, etc., etc. None of those are private. All of these are part of a social configuration. Any problem we have, personally, is part of a social problem. It's part of a cultural problem. So where is the line between solving my personal issue and the society solving its collective issue? Now, classically in Western thought, we have thought we're all individual monads. (00:22:31)

[Chris Bache] : We can't communicate with each other. We're all separate, self-contained, egoic structures. So we may be one in aggregate, but we're really just a whole bunch of people shoved up against each other, and we each have our own individual experience. But I don't think that's the way it works. At least, that's not what I was shown. What I have experienced is that each human being is a cell in the tissue of humanity. Every mind is a light, a cell of light in the fabric of human consciousness. (00:23:07)

[Chris Bache] : And even our bodies are cells within the body of humanity as a whole. And that just as none of our problems, our issues, our virtues, we arrive at them individually, we kind of arrive at them together, collectively. They're part of an historical landscape, part of a cultural landscape. Also, when we solve our problems, when we have spiritual breakthroughs, when we have psychological breakthroughs, those breakthroughs radiate out into the world, and they touch lives. Now, that's all spiritual traditions have recognized this. (00:23:46)

[Chris Bache] : Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu traditions have recognized this collective nature. But one of the ways I experienced it as kind of empirically demonstrated was in my classroom. Because all the years when I was working very intensely with psychedelics, I was working very privately. And because they were illegal, I couldn't talk about it. And I never talked to my students about my own personal psychedelic practice. But what I found over time was that my psychedelic practice was impacting my students. And I began to have experiences or have access to their minds in a way that was showing me that my individual process of transformation was radiating out and influencing other people's processes of self-transformation. (00:24:43)

[Chris Bache] : And this I was completely, I didn't expect this at all. And it took me a while, took me years really to understand what was happening until eventually I wrote my book, The Living Classroom, which has now just come out in a new edition, where I can explicitly say that the practices that I was doing, which was driving this kind of collective awakening in my classroom, was a psychedelic practice primarily. But it was showing me that truly we are in a boundaryless condition, not just in high, subtle, mystical states of awareness, but we are in a boundaryless condition all the time. (00:25:29)

[Chris Bache] : That we are always, there's an always a porosity, an interconnectedness between what's going on in our life, what's going on in the world around us. So that I think we have more and more reason to believe that when we live our life well, and when we rise to the challenges that are presented to us in life, whatever they are, whether they're surgical, political, social activists, meditative, psychological, whatever the artistic, whatever those breakthroughs are, that those breakthroughs have a nourishing effect on everyone around us. (00:26:09)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Among the world's spiritual traditions and religions, some of them are advocates or proponents of reincarnation. They just take it as a given, it's natural. And then there are other religions and practices where some have suggested that has been removed from those religious practices. And I'm just wondering if you can comment about that, because there are people who might adhere to a particular religion where they have been taught reincarnation just does not exist. And in fact, you have one shot to get it right, and that's it. (00:26:47)

[Emmy Vadnais] : You're either going to go to heaven or hell, or maybe purgatory. If you really screw it up, you could also go there. (00:26:53)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah, isn't that interesting? It's interesting. You know, religions have many levels to them. There's kind of the exterior, lay level of religion, and then there's the esoteric, mystical, high, deep spiritual practitioner level of religion. And what we find is that some religions, like the religions of the East, Buddhism, Hinduism, even Daoism, they naturally affirm reincarnation. But even in the West, where reincarnation is not absorbed into the primary religions, it's often present in the mystical branch of that religion, so that in Judaism, Judaism doesn't affirm reincarnation. Rabbinic Judaism doesn't at a collective level, but Hasidism, the mystical tradition in Judaism, it does. (00:27:44)

[Chris Bache] : And likewise, in Islam, traditional mainstream Islam does not place any emphasis on reincarnation, but mystical Islam, the Sufi tradition, does affirm reincarnation. With Christianity, it's a little more complicated because Christianity tended to execute any of its mystics who were affirming reincarnation. There have been crusades, of course, against the Cathars and others. When we look back at the history of Christianity, it appears that reincarnation was taught by certain early sects within Christianity. It was taught in what later came to be called Gnostic sects, which were then delivered, decided to be heretical and not accepted. (00:28:30)

[Chris Bache] : But it was, you know, it was taught as a standard kind of operating interpretation of Christianity for hundreds of years. But then as the ecclesiastical church began to consolidate itself under the, remember the background, this around 3rd, 4th century AD, under the falling of the collapse of the Roman Empire and a really disintegration of order at the social level, the church really believed that its survival depended upon a strong ecclesiastical center. And reincarnation gave too much autonomy to individuals to work out their own reincarnation. (00:29:11)

[Chris Bache] : And so a particular council was held and there was a decision that reincarnation was not going to be included as an acceptable form of Christianity, for this particular reason, I think. It's not that it's incompatible with the teaching of Jesus. They never said that it was incompatible. It's that it gives too much autonomy. It undermines the primacy of ecclesiastical authority in the church. Now, that may have been helpful for Christianity at that time. It may have helped Christianity survive the dark ages that followed. (00:29:45)

[Chris Bache] : But now that we have reincarnation evidence coming forward from scholarly sources, there is nothing in Christianity that prohibits Christians from reassessing that old teaching and looking at it anew. We know that from several national surveys that approximately 25% of American Catholics believe in reincarnation. And it's about the same number for Protestants, 26% for Protestants. And so clearly 25% of Catholics aren't waiting for a papal encyclical saying that reincarnation is okay to accept. In fact, the largest chapter I have in my book, in Life Cycles, is a chapter on reincarnation in Christianity, where I, as most of my students who I was teaching at the state university, they came out of Christian backgrounds. (00:30:42)

[Chris Bache] : They were also trained to follow the evidence, to believe, let your beliefs be guided by the evidence. So they were having evidence of reincarnation presented to them, and yet their religious tradition said that evidence can't be true. But they saw the quality of the evidence. And in this chapter, I'm basically sharing my experiences with students, helping them understand how they can re-evaluate reincarnation, and what a reincarnationist Christianity might look like. And I outline a minimal option and a maximal option, but trying to show the way in which you can affirm deep Christian values and even dogma, and incorporate a reincarnation element. (00:31:26)

[Chris Bache] : And it makes more sense, you know, because the real development of Western theology, which believes, or Christian theology, which believes in a one-time-through metaphysics, is that it makes life radically inexplicable. Why do some people have so much, and some people have so little? Why are some people so burdened with pain and suffering, and some people just have so much ease in their lifetime? And ultimately, this gets thrown into an inscrutable God, a God that makes no sense whatsoever. We just can't understand it. (00:32:04)

[Chris Bache] : We just have to live it and abide by its jurisdiction, and hopefully things will work out well. But when you open up to a reincarnational perspective, suddenly certain possibilities emerge, and things begin to make more sense. And suddenly, the inscrutability is not God's inscrutability. It's an inscrutability that is introduced by believing something which isn't true, and that is that we live on life only once. Now, let's be careful. (00:32:34)

[Chris Bache] : We have to say these things carefully. Crispace only lives once. The soul which Crispace is part of, that soul lives more than once. So, you know, you just have to say things carefully to make your points clear. (00:32:52)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Yeah. The personality or the identity of Crispace, or Emmy Vadnus, lives once. However, the soul that is our consciousness, our energy, or animates us, or however you term that, lives on perhaps forever. (00:33:11)

[Chris Bache] : Lives on. That's right. It's like each personality, each incarnation is a facet of the diamond. The diamond lives forever. The facet doesn't necessarily live forever. Well, it lives forever in the diamond, but the diamond lives forever. Yeah. (00:33:28)

[Emmy Vadnais] : The story of Jesus's death, where he rises on the third day, some have suggested that is really a metaphor for reincarnation. (00:33:41)

[Chris Bache] : It's an interesting question, and I have an appendix in Life Cycles where I address interpretations, which are certain interpretations of certain biblical passages, which have been offered to suggest that Jesus himself believed in reincarnation. You know, we get into a real biblical studies, you know, rabbit hole on that one. (00:34:06)

[SPEAKER_03] : Yeah. (00:34:07)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah. And my sense is that I don't think there's compelling evidence that he did teach reincarnation, but there certainly is very strong evidence that his teaching is compatible with reincarnation. (00:34:18)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Yeah. I mention it because it is a very significant holiday Easter for many Christians and Catholics. (00:34:26)

[Chris Bache] : My first love, my first academic pursuit was in New Testament studies, and I learned Greek and Hebrew, and I really was going to become a New Testament scholar, but I changed and shifted later on. But up through my master's, I was doing biblical studies work. We learned that the oldest gospel, Mark's gospel, does not have a resurrection, does not have an empty tomb scene in it. In fact, it ends with death. (00:34:52)

[Chris Bache] : And the power, the influence of the story of the resurrection was so strong from the later gospels, Matthew, Luke, and John, that there was an actual, a new ending added in the last chapter of Mark's gospel to include that kind of experience. I think that when we ask historically, what is the deepest level of experience that may lie behind the belief in the resurrection? I think it is the experience that Jesus' followers experienced him as being alive, even though he was dead. He was alive, and therefore death is conquered. (00:35:31)

[Chris Bache] : Christian theology tended to interpret that in unique terms that made Jesus' survival of death somehow unique, and he was uniquely the Son of God and uniquely sharing this gift with humanity who accepts it on faith. That's one way of interpreting. And another way of interpreting is that what he's showing us is a universal truth, that when we die, we are still alive. There's a larger dynamic unfolding here. (00:36:03)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Going back to the oneness that physics shows seems to be a reality with quantum entanglement, some people really embrace that, find it beautiful, such as yourself. I think it's quite beautiful, although there are probably people listening to this thinking, well, I don't want to be a part of that other individual. And I know it's not just humans, there's also creatures and animals and bacteria that we're all a part of as well. I'm wondering if you want to comment on those thoughts. (00:36:41)

[Chris Bache] : I think when we first begin to entertain possibilities that we are larger than we conventionally have thought that we are, and that we have these interconnections which are larger than we thought that we are, I understand the kind of fear and reflex to draw back and say, not me, that doesn't work. And that's an understandable, it's a natural reflex. But if we let that pass, and we sort of relax and begin to look at the data, if we begin to look at near-death episode research, people who have glimpses of what's going on behind the scenes, and we look at not just a few of them, but look at hundreds of them and begin to sort out the kind of universal threads that run through their accounts. When we look at past life therapy research, and look at the demonstrated continuity between lives, and the richness which emerges in a person's life when they untangle some of those knots from their past. (00:37:49)

[Chris Bache] : When we just begin to look deeply into where did this come from? Where did this body-mind come from? And we trace its long evolutionary pedigree back through its physical pedigree on the emergence of our beautiful body. And it turns out that the mind has a similar elegant, magnificent pedigree, reaching back through time. And the more we absorb the fact that this body is not ours privately, and our mind is not ours privately, it's always been a collective summation in a way, always from the start. Then I think that feeling of anxiety or pushback softens, and we begin to open to a different world. (00:38:38)

[Chris Bache] : And it's not a world that dissolves the individual or washes out the individual. It's a world which actually affirms the individual very deeply, but it contextualizes the individual within a web work of interconnections, which is larger than the individual, which we draw from and we give back to, just as a leaf draws energy from the tree and gives back energy to the tree. And it becomes a natural way of seeing things. It's an easy secondary way of seeing things. (00:39:15)

[Chris Bache] : And I'm glad the physicists have jumped on with quantum physics and unified systems theory and all those good things. But fundamentally, this can be an experiential thing, that when we quiet our mind, when we calm our heart, and we enter into deeper states of self-aware stillness, then there are perceptions, there are instincts, which are usually so subtle that we don't notice them. But in the space of a quiet meditative mind, these things make themselves felt. And when these arise, you begin to realize that it's like they're threads that connect us to other people's lives. (00:39:59)

[Chris Bache] : There's no breaking these threads. They're part of the fabric of life, just like there's no breaking the threads between any one leaf on a tree and other leaves on the tree. They are connected into the same organism. (00:40:12)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Yeah, and the roots of the trees. (00:40:15)

[Chris Bache] : The roots. (00:40:16)

[Emmy Vadnais] : I like how you're describing it as a collective mind or collective consciousness that we are all a part of. And I agree with you. I had the pleasure of speaking with Jill Bolte Taylor, who has written the book, My Stroke of Insight, and followed up where she had a stroke and the left side of her brain went offline, and she only had the right side of her brain. And she talked about how she felt this merging of oneness and could even sense the energy that people were bringing into her space, even if they were just visiting for no less than five minutes. (00:40:53)

[Emmy Vadnais] : And she wrote a follow-up book about whole brain living because she wanted to share with people how they can also have these experiences as well. (00:41:02)

[SPEAKER_05] : Yeah. (00:41:04)

[Emmy Vadnais] : What is the significance of reincarnation? How does karma play a role with that? And how does it give meaning to our lives or even change our lives if we engage with that potential? (00:41:16)

[Chris Bache] : Well, that's a large question. So let me just start with how it impacted me and share with you maybe some of how it impacts the students that I've shared these ideas with, you know, for decades. First, I think it changes everything. It makes life more intelligible. It makes the experience that all of us have make more sense. All of us have things that we know how to do that no one ever taught us, or we have aptitudes towards certain types of activities that are different from everyone else in our family. Some people are oriented towards private intellectual chess-like games, and other people like full contact rugby, social things. (00:42:02)

[Chris Bache] : There's all these differences. Some people have tremendous capacity to create in art and music, and other people are writers. Where do those come from? Where do those qualities and traits come from? And classically, we think they come through genetic mutation. It's random. It's just accidental. There's no logic to it. You got a good luck? Good. You good genes? Good. They're great. But when you actually sink into them, it begins to make more sense that everything which is large in a life comes from a line of choices where at some time in our past they were small. So an interest in music begins small, but it's practiced, and it develops until eventually you have someone like Mozart who's writing concertos when he's six years old. (00:42:54)

[Chris Bache] : So everything which is large, even in one case I'm remembering from past life cases, an ability with guns, an ability to be very facile and very quick draw came from a history of a former life of a marshal on the frontier. And that makes sense. And it also is grounds for hope because it means not that we're a prisoner of our past, but we operate within a context which has been shaped by our past. Within that context we make choices which then begin they feed into the to our future and our future lives future. (00:43:35)

[Chris Bache] : So it's a very empowering position because even though you may be temporarily burdened, if you are, by something that's got a deeper history, you have the power to change your history. You have a power to exert your will and exert your choices, make better choices or stronger different choices and lead into a better future. It begins when you look at the world through reincarnationist eyes. You realize that everybody's playing a different game. They're not playing your game. (00:44:10)

[Chris Bache] : And if it's like, I think of it like school. There are some people who are in kindergarten and first grade, some people who are in high school, some people are doing postgraduate work. And that gives you tremendous permission to let people be themselves, just to let them be because they're working on their court, their rules that they're working on. Somebody else is working on a different court, different rules. And the idea that we all have to get past the same finish line at the same time in order for things to work out right, we all have to be safe before we die or something like this, that doesn't make nearly as much sense as we are developing flower garden. (00:44:49)

[Chris Bache] : We are different types of flowers which are developing and emerging over large periods of time. We have an open-ended amount of time with which to develop ourselves. I tell my students sometimes the only important question you should be asking yourself is, what do you want to be doing in 10,000 years? (00:45:07)

[Emmy Vadnais] : That's a simple question. (00:45:11)

[Chris Bache] : It's a simple question, but provoking, isn't it? (00:45:14)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Oh, well, I'm joking. It's profound. (00:45:16)

[Chris Bache] : It's like, take a large perspective, people. The creative intelligence of the universe thinks large. It doesn't think small, right? And if we have this, the greatest thing about reincarnation is, and the Hindus thought this was a burden. I mean, when they discovered reincarnation, they thought, oh my God, we go round and round and round. We have to go through puberty all these times. We have to go hardship of life over and over and over again. They did not think it was a joy. (00:45:46)

[Chris Bache] : They thought it was a burden. But I think we can appreciate that the greatest burden in the psyche of the modern man, modern humanity, is this idea, this terrible idea that we are nothing more than our biology. Everything mental condenses to physics and that when the body dies, our mind disappears and dissolves. We're nothing. There's no survival of the body. Reincarnation opens this, puts the myth to that. It shows us that we are developing over vast tracts of time, and that allows us to elevate our assessment of what the purpose of life might be. (00:46:25)

[Chris Bache] : If I give an in-class test, a quiz, I have a right to expect a certain set of results. If I give them an hour-long test, I expect more because I've given them more time. And if I give them a research paper, I expect more because they have more time to develop it. If the universe has a purpose, if it has a purpose, it should be proportionate to the amount of time we have to realize that purpose. If we only have one lifetime, remember, for some people, that's just five minutes before they're dead out of the delivery room. (00:47:00)

[Chris Bache] : Sometimes it's five days. If life has a purpose, it can't be greater than the amount of time we have to realize that purpose. With reincarnation, we learn that we have open-ended, infinite amount of time. That doesn't cause us to be lazy. Anybody who wants to say, oh, I'll just deal with it later, they're stupid. They haven't really taken into how hard it is to be working here. But when we have open-ended amount of time, it lifts the ceiling and it allows us to look at the beautiful pictures that come from the Hubble telescope, for example, pictures of our galaxies and nebulas and the infinite depth of the universe, and to recognize that we aren't just a little bitty, short, 100-year park player in this drama. (00:47:52)

[Chris Bache] : We are an ancient player in this drama, and it allows us to look at the magnificent grandeur of a galaxy and recognize that we have a meaningful part in this magnificent galaxy's unfolding of intelligence on its planets, around its suns. That changes everything, doesn't it? (00:48:17)

[Emmy Vadnais] : What do you feel the purpose of our individual karma is that contributes to the collective? What are we reincarnating toward? (00:48:28)

[Chris Bache] : Well, let me kind of start with a general observation, then go to the more specific observations. What are we reincarnating toward? To me, the boundary between individual and collective has been made porous so many times that I see it as one living organism with different kind of folk's eye of light. The individual is an individual, but it's contextualized within an individuality of a species. Our species, as a single consciousness, is an individual. Humanity on planet Earth is different than some other species on some other planet on some other galaxy. (00:49:19)

[Chris Bache] : The mind of our species, the collective psyche, the memory of our species is unique in its history and in its components. In our mind, we are part of that. My understanding is we live in a constant dialogue, a constant transmission back and forth between the collective and the individual to the collective. So then we ask the question, okay, what are we evolving toward? Where is it taking us? And that gets us into very interesting territory. (00:49:54)

[Chris Bache] : Probably the large majority of the answers that we would give that we are evolving to love or to compassion or to knowledge or something like this, inevitably that probably is going to end up being too small because we're going to formulate those goals out of our particular moment in history and take something good and project it forward. But ask the same question in 5,000 years and we'd probably give a different, richer answer. So I think the safest answers are in terms of process answers, not in terms of goal answers. (00:50:37)

[Chris Bache] : I tend to think the essence of the whole process is growth and empowerment of the nature that we have, the empowerment of the form that we are. Growth. Growth toward what? That comes the tricky part. I mean, I would like to say growth towards oneness, growth towards love, growth towards wisdom, growth towards, I mean, literally intelligence, more intelligence, more aesthetic capacity, more creative capacity, more communion between human intelligence and spiritual intelligence. But those are just limited intermediate baby steps, I think. (00:51:21)

[Chris Bache] : But that there is a progression towards growth, I think we can extract from the evolutionary record. And also a growth towards individuality. I think of reincarnation as a higher octave of evolution. Evolution evolves whole groups forward. It pulls learning forward of whole groups. Reincarnation pulls the learning forward of individuals within certain species. Nature has somehow found a way of kind of letting individuals run forward in time. Where is it going to go? Well, we've been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years, and the universe has been evolving for 13.7 billion years, and it's going to continue for hundreds of billions of years yet. (00:52:10)

[Chris Bache] : Where are we going? I mean, what could we become if we had 10,000 years to work with? We'll become more. I think we'll become better. We'll become more in tune with reality. And I deeply mean spiritual reality. We'll become stronger because we'll be working together to solve our problems instead of fighting over a small plate of food. We'll become more. (00:52:39)

[Emmy Vadnais] : How can people engage in the karmic and reincarnation process more consciously? Because I imagine there are those listening thinking, well, I have a horrible lot in this lifetime. I don't want to be here anymore. I'm never coming back here. In fact, some people truly believe that this is a prison planet and it's run by dark forces that are trying to control us or that do control us. (00:53:04)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah, my heart goes out to people who are suffering that much pain. I mean, I know people who are suffering that much pain. And I think inevitably, when we try to understand what's going on, inevitably we kind of project out of our own living circumstance. So if we see ourselves living on a planet that's a prison planet controlled by dark forces, I mean, I can't help but think that there is a projection of one's own psychological experience into metaphysical parameters. And I can only suggest that as you get clearer, as you go through deepening your experience of your own life through various spiritual practices, and by living as good a life as we can live, as fair and compassionate, as just and generous a life as we can live, your mind gets clearer. (00:54:04)

[Chris Bache] : The forces that constrict your life loosen, and you begin to realize that all along, you, in very subtle and often mysterious ways, you are controlling the flow of energy that is your life. And if you've made choices that have constricted that flow in the past, you can reverse those choices in the present. If you've had bad karma, constrictive tight karma in the past, you can choose, begin to choose different generous karma, clear karma. And all the spiritual traditions have procedures to help you move into deeper clarity. (00:54:50)

[Chris Bache] : The Buddhists start with the four noble truths. They start with the fundamental truths of do no harm, do no injury, right speech, right conduct, so on and so forth. Every religion has these commandments, will, these guidelines, how to clear your mind, how to clear your heart. As you clear your mind and clear your heart, a different picture of the universe emerges, one which is not governed by dark forces, though clearly, if you look at certain political movements and certain social movements and movements of war and whatnot, there's a lot of darkness, and there's a lot of oppressive forces, and there's a lot of greed and negativity in there. (00:55:35)

[Chris Bache] : But your experience of the universe itself changes. It opens into a divine banquet, a wonderful mystery, but a divine banquet. And how do I connect with that? I mean, how do I begin to change my life so that I can begin to have that kind of experience or I can feel that affinity with the fellow human beings who are traveling with me? This is kind of like basic spirituality 101. So anything which you do which favors yourself over someone else, stop doing that. (00:56:20)

[Chris Bache] : Everything you do which hurts other people around you, stop doing that. Every time you injure someone with your speech, stop doing that. And just the whole system slowly begins to calm down. And then there are other techniques which teach you how to bring your mind underneath all the turbulence that's on the surface. And we can just start to live a lifestyle which is calmer, quieter, more peaceful. It doesn't mean we're not in the world. (00:56:47)

[Chris Bache] : We're in the world. We're making a living. We're doing our jobs. We have to deal with everything everybody else does. But you can engage it in a different way. And as you individually come into greater clarity, I think crystallizing around you will be opportunities of greater growth around you. We are not trapped by our karma. Karma is simply a platform. We can reach beyond our past and to create a future which may still have its own challenges, but it'll be clearer. It'll be gentler, more exciting. (00:57:27)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Can you share a little bit more about your understanding of karma? Because some people listening might be thinking, well, it's simply cause and effect or maybe even a form of punishment. (00:57:38)

[Chris Bache] : Not punishment, but certainly cause and effect. In Hindi terms, it's karma vipaka, cause and effect. And so the basic idea is this. We live in an entire universe of cause and effect. Everything has cause. Everything has effects. Everything. There's not a single part of this universe which doesn't have cause and effect except the fundamental ground state. It's all cause and effect. So we don't have any problem with that in the scientific world. We recognize molecules, atoms, movement of things, they have cause and effect. (00:58:12)

[Chris Bache] : No problem. Now that we get to the nub of it, the Hindus would say, and ancient traditions would say, choice has cause and effect. The choices we make, which is to say we are learning systems. We are constantly learning. And when we make a choice, we are basically setting in motion a trajectory of learning. When we make a choice to push away something or to include something, to hurt or to support, we are always making choices. Those choices basically echo back around and become part of our subsequent experiences. (00:58:51)

[Chris Bache] : One of the easiest ways to describe some of the logic of this when people talk about good karma and bad karma inheriting the consequences of the Vipa, technically it's the good Vipaka that comes from good action, the bad Vipaka that comes from bad action, bad karma. When we are experiencing these cycles, what's at the center of it is giving the human being incredible power to control their destiny. They may not be able to control it in the short term because there's so much momentum in the system. (00:59:29)

[Chris Bache] : But if you begin to systematically engage the momentum of the causal forces powering, pushing your life, you can begin making clearer and clearer and clearer choices. And as you begin making clearer choices, your inner environment becomes clearer and your outer environment begins to become clearer. For Hinduism, this would be simple Dharma 101. This is just kind of how life works. We are here to grow. We are here to learn. An academic transcript is a history of grades in various courses. (01:00:05)

[Chris Bache] : You could say it's karma. You make choices. You make choices to pay attention, not to pay attention, to apply yourself, not to apply yourself. You make choices. The cumulative effect of all those choices is your transcript at the end of college. It's like that in life. We're making choices constantly. There's nothing magical or infamous about karma. It's just reminding us that not only does the physical world move according to cause and effect, but our psychological world also moves according to cause and effect, and our spiritual world does too, except that there is a depth in the spiritual level. There may be also in the quantum level as well, but there is a depth in the physical level which you discover deep inside your center that is not part of cause and effect. (01:00:59)

[Chris Bache] : It's outside of cause and effect. And so the spiritual traditions make a great deal of emphasis of reducing the turbulence of karma cause and effect until one can actually experience the aspect of your own being which is free of cause and effect. It's part of it. When they describe the one's essential nature of one's divine nature, it never begins, it never ends. It doesn't have a beginning and end. It's always present. (01:01:33)

[Chris Bache] : It's always stable. Karma has beginning and end. It runs around, does all sorts, like a playground. But underneath, there is this reality which has neither beginning nor end. And so spiritual practice is about living more of your life from that reality rather than living your life from that turbulence cause and effect. (01:01:56)

[Emmy Vadnais] : What role do historical traumas and collective traumas play in what we're experiencing here on earth? (01:02:05)

[Chris Bache] : Of course, I know you mentioned earlier, there's a All the virtues of history are poured into us, that surround us, as well as all the burdens of bad choices of history, all the sins of history. We seem to be in a very intense time now. We're coming into a critical time in human history. We've never been here before. We've had pieces of continents in danger, but now we have an entire planet that's in danger of becoming unable to sustain our population. And we're doing it. (01:02:47)

[Chris Bache] : It's human-made. We're making the choices. We're causing the problem. Nature is not causing the problem. We are causing the problem. And so we seem to be in a time of increasing turbulence, disruption, chaos. We're dealing with a lot of social uncertainty and social divisiveness, because many people are not clear how to face the challenges that were coming into us as species. We know that global climate change is going to have enormous impact. We're going to be losing many, many, many lives in the near future, in the future. (01:03:25)

[Chris Bache] : And this leads to uncertainty and a lot of turbulence. And if we look at this same situation from within a deep spiritual perspective, and we ask, what is causing this inner turbulence? Well, we might look at, in some ways, I look towards the lives of individual mystics. When we look at the life of an individual mystic, this is well kind of documented and testified that before the breakthrough of enlightenment, before the breakthrough of the universal one heart, we go through the dark night of the soul. We go through a period of deep, deep, intense personal cleansing. (01:04:09)

[Chris Bache] : And another way of thinking about this from a reincarnational perspective is that we're cleaning the basement. All the things inside of us, which are incompatible with enlightenment, all the history, which has led us to have convictions and urges and whatnot, which are incompatible with universal love, are being forced out of the system. And in your meditation, the spiritual practitioners can experience that. They experience upheavals coming up from within them. Sometimes they're crying on the meditation cushion. (01:04:45)

[Chris Bache] : Sometimes they're feeling unspeakable rage, but the advice is always the same. Keep centered. Let it flow through you. It will pass. It will move through you. If we kind of think of the entire species as a single meditating being, I think something like this is happening. I personally think we are entering into a profoundly important, very positive turning point in human evolution, which will take us into a higher level of psycho-spiritual functioning at an across-the-board platform. For us to actualize this, for us to realize this, we have to clear ourselves of everything which is keeping us from experiencing this state right here, right now, today. (01:05:36)

[Chris Bache] : And the things which are keeping us from experiencing this is all our collective karma, collective history, and all our cultural institutions, and the history that each of us carry individually, and we all carry collectively together. So I think that we are actually experiencing a time of tremendous purification. It's kind of like you have to expose the shadow before you can heal the shadow. And we are certainly exposing the shadow of humanity right now in many of the very destructive and self-absorbed and injurious policies or practices that are arising in our midst. I think of this as kind of a collective purification, which is part and parcel of leading into a spiritual awakening, the deep and profound spiritual awakening. (01:06:33)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Yes, Carl Jung and the shadow. (01:06:36)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah. (01:06:37)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Focusing on our own individual shadow selves or letting ourselves maybe heal from what ails us. (01:06:49)

[SPEAKER_05] : Yeah. (01:06:50)

[Emmy Vadnais] : What would you suggest people consider doing as far as do they primarily focus on their own selves? (01:06:59)

[SPEAKER_06] : Yeah. (01:07:00)

[Emmy Vadnais] : And or assisting the collective. I mean, I understand what you're saying that as we focus on ourselves, we're part of the collective. (01:07:07)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah, it's a both-hand situation, isn't it? (01:07:11)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Yeah. (01:07:11)

[Chris Bache] : Because while an enlightened individual in a monastery and a mountain with no contact in the world may have an uplifting effect on the whole, and that person has that reality. Most of us live embodied in the world, and we would like to do more than have a meditative effect uplifting the collective from the ground. We would like to do something practical. I mean, we'd like to help the world be a better place, leave it a better place before we die. We'd like to sort of help people in need or help to solve the problems that are endemic to our culture. (01:07:51)

[Chris Bache] : Uh-huh. If we do that or try to do that without deep inner clarity, we may get some success, but we'll also leave more damage behind, too. So I think it's a both-hand becoming socially active to work for social clarity, social peace, and to be personally, inwardly clear and at peace with oneself. I did this years and years of psychedelic practice and other spiritual practices at that time, but I was always working as an academic. I was working hard at an open enrollment university and trying to raise that corner. (01:08:35)

[Chris Bache] : That was my garden. That was where I worked and where I was trying to make things better. And all of my colleagues, they had their gardens. They were working to make things better in the world. And so I don't think it's an either-or. I think some people are drawn more to this incarnation, to an individual interior project. Other people are drawn more to an exterior social project. There's not a right or wrong here. (01:09:03)

[Chris Bache] : I think it's both-hand. (01:09:04)

[Emmy Vadnais] : What would you like to say to someone who may be listening, thinking, well, I'm doing my part, but that person or that group or that institution or that country is really messing things up, and they're the problem? (01:09:19)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah. And they may be. And there are certainly people, other players in the world besides ourselves, and they're doing bad things in the world. Any right-thinking person would want to try to mitigate those bad things. If we see someone beating a child, naturally, we try to intervene. We try to stop without thinking. We do it to protect the child. But at a deeper level, a sort of a more philosophical level, one of the things that comes with the reincarnational worldview and understanding the deep, deep forces that guide people's lives and set up circumstances is it's an absolute waste of time to be envious of someone else's good fortune. You should never judge someone else's bad fortune. (01:10:09)

[Chris Bache] : We don't know what got them there. We don't know whether this is a saint or a sinner. It could be a sinner inheriting bad karma, or it could be a saint who's taken on somebody else's bad karma. We don't know. Best to take care of your own shop. Best to do the very, very best you can with the circumstances in which you find yourselves in, because there's meaning and intention in those circumstances. Engage that part of the outside world which is yours to engage. (01:10:41)

[Chris Bache] : A lot of it is about recognizing that people are at different stages of their life, their soul's life. And we have to stand the ground that we need to stand, but most of our judgments aren't about standing ground. It's just being judgmental in a way that creates more barriers that only have to be taken down later. Judgments are barriers. There's a way in which we can draw conclusions, but without living within the harsh boundaries of judgments. (01:11:16)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Do you feel we're going through a collective near-death experience, even though we don't really die since our consciousness seems to continue? (01:11:30)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah, I think we are going through something like that. You know what happens when people have a near-fatal accident and we know that when their mind speeds up, they become able to do physical things that they would never have dreamed that they could do. If they're falling off a mountain, they can take action along the way and the mind speeds up and often the heart opens, the mind opens, one enters into transcendent spaces under the pressure of almost dying. Now, it's not being alarmist to say that we are going into a near-extinction event on this planet. (01:12:14)

[Chris Bache] : The crises, which have only now just beginning to start, are going to be getting worse and everything we're doing in this country, I'm afraid politically, is going to make that crisis, that confrontation with the planet's limits even harder and more severe. So clearly we're going into very, very difficult and challenging times. And there are some very smart people, good, clear-thinking people who basically have concluded, that's it, humanity is toast, we're living on extended time, there's no reversing this process, we're going to go extinct, we're going to die, we just don't know it yet. But if you look at the statistics, you look at the information, you look at the patterns, we're going extinct. (01:13:05)

[Chris Bache] : I personally don't think we are going extinct, but I don't believe that on rational calculus grounds. I believe it because of my spiritual experiences that we do make it through this crisis. But it clearly is going to be a planet-changing crisis. It's going to be a civilization-changing crisis. It's going to be a near-death experience of our culture, of our life on this planet. And we might learn something about what might happen during it if we study people, individuals, who have had near-death experiences. (01:13:39)

[Chris Bache] : So I think we are. I think things are speeding up. I think things are becoming dire. I think there are fewer and fewer innocent decisions. Every decision has infinite ramifications. I think we're coming into a make-or-break point. We're coming into a point of grow up or die. And the threat of extinction is a tremendous evolutionary accelerator. And I think we're coming into a time where we're beginning to realize that if we don't change our practices, we're going to lose our life on this planet. And at core, deep down inside, this transformation that's required is not simply a transformation of politics, or economics, or industrial production, or agricultural. (01:14:30)

[Chris Bache] : It's not that primarily. It is fundamentally a crisis of consciousness. It is the structure of human consciousness that has gotten us into this mess. It's the limitations of ego, the loneliness, the self-centeredness of our so-called cut-off ego that has led us into these dead-end scenarios of just consuming more and more, but not experience any satisfaction that really gives us any deep true psycho-spiritual nourishment. We either make it through this crisis or we go extinct. (01:15:09)

[Chris Bache] : I personally, because that's the visions I've been given, I think we make it through. My concern is how many of our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren are going to die before we make it through. That's my major concern. (01:15:24)

[Emmy Vadnais] : There may be those listening thinking, well, if there is this oceanic wave of love and oneness, why does it have to get so bad or hard? Why do we have to get to this point? Why do we have to suffer so much? Why does there have to be pain and suffering and people being treated poorly and dying a bodily death when maybe they didn't otherwise have to? (01:15:56)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah. Boy, that's a hard question. You're asking hard questions today. Because you're basically asking the question, why is there suffering? If there is intelligence and wisdom and love as a starting point of creation, why is it so damn hard? Why do we suffer so much? Why didn't somebody give us an instruction manual, help us do better? Why is it so hard? And we get angry at the divine intelligence and we say, we think we could do it better. If I were doing this universe, I could design a better universe. (01:16:32)

[Chris Bache] : There wouldn't be as much suffering, we'd do it differently. But all of that assumes that we know what is being built. We judge from the context of our own historical position. And we make judgments about what a good humanity would look like, or what a spiritually realized humanity would look like, or just what a peaceful humanity would look like. And this is how we could build toward that. But maybe we're not building toward that, maybe we're building through that. (01:17:02)

[Chris Bache] : I mean, clearly, the creative intelligence thinks on a huge landscape. When you really just meditate on what astrophysics has taught us, and astronomy has taught us, the landscape of creation is vast and magnificent. So we have to genuinely ask ourselves, okay, what is this intelligence creating in this species? What is the project? Where are we going? What might we become? And if we expand in even lightly, 100,000 years, which is a second in cosmic time, even if we imagine what would be the best that we could become in 100,000 years, could we might begin to understand where suffering fits into this larger agenda, which is larger than most of our agenda. Most of us would think if we could just get comfortable and be a happy human being as we are, and live, eat, and die, we'd be okay. (01:18:06)

[Chris Bache] : But maybe that's not the agenda of existence at all, of the creative intelligence. And I don't mean to treat people suffering cavalierly, I truly do not mean so. I mean, it's all great respect to those who suffer, honestly. But suffering in some ways in our time, it's like when we're building a house, and we have the walls up, the stud walls up, and we have the trusses up, but we haven't put on the roof. And if it rains, rain comes in. (01:18:38)

[Chris Bache] : It's because the house is unfinished. It's not because there's any structural design flaw in the house, the house is just not finished. Humanity is an unfinished species. Sri Aurobindo made a large point of this. He talked about how humanity is a transitional species. We are transitioning from what we were 100,000 years ago into what we are in the process of becoming deep. We are not the end of the project. We are just in the middle of the project. (01:19:09)

[Chris Bache] : In that context, if we take disease, for example, we are only at the early stages of developing our consciousness so clearly and strongly that we can heal diseases in our body with our minds. We know psychoneuroimmunology has shown us this, but I'm talking about the serious diseases that seem so resistant to this subtle manipulation. We are just getting started in basically exploring the potential of our consciousness to keep this system healthy and strong. And some of the suffering of disease, it's just an unfinished business. (01:19:56)

[Chris Bache] : We haven't gotten to the point where we can control ourselves that much. Our knowledge is not expanded yet to be able to supplement what we can do with our mind. There's just so much which is unfinished. So before we kind of take over control and blame God for doing such a mess up, we might examine our own assumptions of what the purpose of the project is, what the goal of the project is. (01:20:22)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Because you're a man of deep philosophy and religious and spiritual studies. I know you mentioned this in your book in our previous conversation. And since you brought up God, can you briefly mention your relationship to that term? (01:20:40)

[Chris Bache] : I was raised in a Catholic tradition. I was studying to be a priest in the early years for four years. I have learned a lot in watching religions coming to existence. And in some ways, dogma is kind of like sausage. You never want to see one being made. Because it may look good on the outside, but boy, a whole lot of personality gets involved in the forging of dogma in history. So it's a sobering experience to truly watch how religions come into existence. (01:21:14)

[Chris Bache] : And so I've learned just from the study of history that one of the most dangerous things that a human being can say is, I know what God wants you to do. You should do this. And there's so many limitations, cultural limitations, historical limitations that are built into God vocabulary, to the God language, that I prefer not to use that term. And I would talk about the divine, but even the divine is super loaded with historical associations. And so in the title of my book on psychedelic work is LSD and the Mind of the Universe. And I chose not to kind of concretize that with an image of divinity, because I see those images of divinity as so historically conditioned that they weren't large enough to envision what I was trying to describe. (01:22:16)

[Chris Bache] : Now we have a sense of how vast the universe is. So we count its distance in light years, and each light year is 6 million, million miles. And we count it in terms of multiple thousands of light years. And then to imagine that there is a mind which is as large as this universe is large, and then to try to fathom what that mind might be like, and then to take a journey in which you self-initiate into the edges of that vast, expensive mind, several things kind of happen or at least happened to me. One is that I fell in love. (01:23:00)

[Chris Bache] : I fell in love with this reality. Once you experience it in its clarity, it's so powerful and so magnificent and so beautiful that I call it my beloved. It is a love relationship with life, with this deeper intelligence embedded in life. Now I sometimes talk about the divine, as I have here, and sometimes I'll even talk about God. If I feel that the context is clear that I'm not using those terms in their conventional references, but I'm using to point to what those terms point to, ideally, this infinitely large horizon, this expanse, this beauty, this knowledge, this genius. We're talking about cosmic genius in this universe. (01:23:50)

[Chris Bache] : The hardest thing that I found in negotiating all of my psychedelic work was not what happened in that journey during the sessions. The hardest part came when I ended that journey and everything was fine. Everything was good. There was no trauma. I had been given many, many gifts of intimacy with the divine. But then when I withdrew and I stepped out of it, and I was no longer making contact, experiential contact with that deeper reality for reasons that I explain in the book, it was the loss of contact with my beloved. Even though I knew the beloved was always here, I knew that it was only my own blinders which were keeping me from experiencing it. (01:24:42)

[Chris Bache] : I knew it was always the warp and woof of reality that I was embedded in, but the intensity of being dissolved into the body of light that is the underlying light of the universe, it caused such a deep sadness, a deep withdrawal. It was very difficult, and it really took me about 10 years after I stopped my sessions to really get fully grounded and committed to living in this earth on its terms again. I give you that anecdote just to say that my journey into the divine had many stages and many layers over many years. (01:25:25)

[Chris Bache] : I would not trade any of those days for any treasures on earth. And learning how to live without the constant immersion or the repetitive immersion into those treasures has been a real learning exercise for me, that it continues. (01:25:44)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Yeah. Chris, how do you suggest or what do you recommend are ways that people can explore themselves, get in touch with the deeper creative intelligence inside of them to be able to move that karmic part of them forward? Are there any particular practices that are maybe outside or part of psychedelics that can assist people listening? (01:26:17)

[Chris Bache] : There's so many practices, because what we're talking about is spirituality. And the Christians have an approach to spirituality, the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, they have an approach to spirituality with a lot of common ground. But it's no secret. And now we live in a time in history where these previously secret teachings are now available on every street corner. You know, after China invaded Tibet, lineage holders of this tremendous ancient spiritual lineage have now flooded into the Western countries. And we have centers throughout the United States and Europe. We're talking about basic spiritual practices. (01:26:57)

[Chris Bache] : We're also talking about maybe psychotherapeutic practices. We're basically using a psychotherapeutic approach to heal some of the surface wounds of the heart. My first sitter was my wife, Carol. And she's a clinical psychologist. And she never did a psychedelic session. It wasn't her cup of tea. She really found everything she needed on her meditation cushion. (01:27:22)

[Emmy Vadnais] : And just to clarify, by sitter, you mean the person who was with you during your LSD sessions? (01:27:28)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah, she was my sitter and was holding the fort while I was in my LSD sessions. And she was managing them with music and whatnot. She never wanted to do a session herself. She has subsequently gone on to complete her three-year, three-month, three-day solo retreat in the Vajrayana tradition. She's been made and recognized as a lama within her community. And she has a very, very rich interior life. We're friends. (01:28:02)

[Chris Bache] : And it didn't involve psychedelics at all. So there's so many lineages of spiritual teachings. There's Celtic lineages, so many Native American lineages. There's South American lineages. There are the Ayahuasca traditions. There are some psychedelic, shamanic traditions that are entering our country strongly now. There are everyday wisdom traditions that are available in abundance at any bookstore, at any airport. Sounds true. And this program is an example of inner teachings being made publicly available. Even if I started a list, it would be just a fraction of what's really available. (01:28:47)

[Chris Bache] : We can find the practices that can help us live a calmer, quieter, more centered, richer life. Those are available. And the practices which are taught are pretty much the same. First, kindness, non-injury, simplicity, voluntary simplicity, centering, stillness, social kindness, social being good to people. And it's a long road. And it's not a road which is going to be traveled in any one lifetime. So this is a road that's going to be traveled over many lifetimes, but every lifetime can get better than the life before it. (01:29:33)

[Emmy Vadnais] : We've also touched on the shadow part. And in addition, and kind of building on what you just shared, how much of a role does having a good time, joy, love, following your own bliss or creativity play a role in a person's karma and reincarnation? (01:29:54)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah, it certainly does. I mean, it's just part of the fabric. I think because we learn about reincarnation from reading the books from therapists, we have a tendency to cast the thinking about reincarnation in a negative light, because people go to therapists who are in pain. But if you are an exceptionally brilliant, creative composer, you know, you can explore that dimension of your life and find and trace the roots of your love of music. And you'll find that it goes deeper than this present lifetime. (01:30:33)

[Chris Bache] : All of our past gives us all of our virtues, and all of our vices. And we honor existence by accepting the virtues, building on them, and then working to reduce the vices to unlock them and let them go. (01:30:51)

[Emmy Vadnais] : What role does self-love play in this process? (01:30:56)

[Chris Bache] : Oh, how can you be in love? How can you love the world if you don't love yourself? It's one of the things that came real clear in some of my teachings that if you're going to become one with God, if you're going to become one with all of life, you must become one with yourself. And therefore, when you try to become one with God, one with the universe, everything which is incompatible with becoming one with yourself is forced to the surface. So all of your injuries, all of your trauma, all of your self-defeating habits and behaviors, these are all shoved to the surface, right inside you, right in front of you. (01:31:43)

[Chris Bache] : So self-love, self-acceptance is absolutely critical, but not superficial self-love, real deep self-love, love that's willing to take on the shadow, love which is willing to love that shadow until that shadow becomes a baby in your arms, and you take care of it and nurture it. You know, the deep love, really deep, the type of love a mother has for her child, that love is the type of love we have to have for ourself. And so we can handle, we can clean anything that needs to be cleaned in it. (01:32:18)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Unconditional love and unconditional acceptance. (01:32:22)

[Chris Bache] : Yeah. (01:32:23)

[Emmy Vadnais] : And love covers a multitude of sins. (01:32:27)

[Chris Bache] : Well, let's say it compensates, doesn't it? (01:32:32)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Chris, you've shared so much today about collective karma and reincarnation, and I know we're going to have another conversation about the birth of a future human that you discovered in your LSD sessions. And I'm wondering if you want to just touch on that a little bit to prime us for our next conversation and what that's about. (01:32:57)

[Chris Bache] : I'd love to. One of the surprises for me in my psychedelic work, because I began this work adopting a model of transformation, a model of personal transformation, which is pretty widespread in the transpersonal community, that when you do these practices, it's about personal transformation, personal awakening, personal healing, personal enlightenment. And one of the surprises for me has been how much of my work didn't seem to be about me personally at all. It was about collective, and it was collective dynamics. (01:33:35)

[Chris Bache] : And my love for myself expanded to embrace the love of my people and the love of my planet and the love of all the beings on the planet. So it just wasn't about me personally. As that deepened over the years, I began to be initiated into a series of visions where it was not about my spiritual evolution. It was about the spiritual evolution of humanity, where humanity was going. And this is, I just want to emphasize, this is an utterly natural phenomenon. (01:34:11)

[Chris Bache] : Our individual mind, when we relax the boundaries of our individual mind, our consciousness opens and deep into our personal unconscious. But as you keep clearing and you keep relaxing, it opens up into this underlying field that Jung called the collective psyche. And it's just natural that when you go deeper into that collective psyche and even pushing through it to the matrix underneath that, that you inherit insights into what's going on in the life of this being. We count our lives in years. (01:34:47)

[Chris Bache] : It counts its life in millennia. So it's just, it opens up naturally. And I began to have insights of humanity poised on the edge of a global death and rebirth process, that what I had experienced as death and rebirth and what every meditator experiences in terms of death and rebirth on the meditation cushion, that there was actually now fermenting within history a death and rebirth dynamic that was so large, so powerful, it was carrying all of humanity in its grip. (01:35:22)

[Chris Bache] : This was a surprise, an absolute surprise to me. But it lead led me to have a certain understanding that the project of history at this point, I think, a way of summing up the project is to give birth to a new kind of human being, the giving birth into what I call the future human, some people call it homo spiritualis, homo noeticus, different words for it, but a new form of human being who isn't simply the old human being polished up and cleaned up and, you know, doing better, but truly a revolution that causes the plate tectonics of the collective psyche to shift so that all children born after this shift takes place, and I'm not talking about a shift that takes place in 24 hours, but takes place over decades of work. (01:36:17)

[Chris Bache] : All children born after this pivot are literally functioning within a different collective psyche. This is something that's taking place at a very, very deep collective level. And I was given teachings to explain how this is working out through reincarnation, what the project of reincarnation is, how does it play into this? I introduced concepts that will talk about the birth of the diamond soul, this integration of all of our former lives coming into a unity synthesis and leading to an exponential explosion of insight and compassion inside the human heart and human mind. That's what we're going to be talking about. (01:37:01)

[Chris Bache] : We're going to be talking about where humanity is taking, where reincarnation is taking humanity, what some of the mechanisms are, trying to understand underneath the turmoil of our times, which are getting more and more tumultuous almost year by year, and where we might be going, what the larger project is. And I must confess, I found what I was given deeply reassuring, because I feel the growing waves of darkness, I feel the chaos, and I see the social struggle that we don't know how to navigate the falling apart process. But I take great strength in being given an understanding of what's going on here at a deeper level. (01:37:54)

[Chris Bache] : And that's what I'd like to share with you in our next conversation. (01:37:57)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Well, I'm very much looking forward to the conversation about the birth of the future human. And Chris, is there anything else you want to share about collective karma and reincarnation today? (01:38:10)

[Chris Bache] : Well, I'll just share one visionary experience, which I share in LSD, the mind of the universe. It was late in my journey, it was, I don't know, 15 years or so into my journey. And I had already gone through multiple layers of death into deeper and deeper levels. And I opened up into a very, very deep level, in which I experienced all of humanity as a single organism, reincarnating generation by generation. The entire family of humanity was going through this developmental process that all of us individually are going through. (01:38:55)

[Chris Bache] : And experiencing all of humanity in this flow of learning, and in this flow of perpetual development, perpetual integration of more and more spiritual reality into their lives, was on the one hand, an extremely uplifting experience. And it was also a devastating experience, because I saw, from the one perspective, you might say that whole generations will be sacrificed in this historical transformation we're going through. And it had the ruthlessness of Kali the Destroyer, of the gods which bring death and destruction in order to liberate. And at the same time, this was not something which is being done to us. (01:39:48)

[Chris Bache] : This is a role that we voluntarily took on as our offering to the creative intelligence in the evolution of this species at this point in time. So it was a hard teaching, and it was a magnificent, ecstatic teaching all at the same time. And the key is just to realize that what is taking place in the lives of individuals is also taking place in the lives of the species. We are all in this together. (01:40:19)

[Chris Bache] : Ultimately, we all have to move together. Some people may get a little ahead, some people may drag a little behind, but ultimately we are moving together as we move through this this transition. And the magnitude of the beauty of what we are becoming... I don't know how I'm going to talk about that without crying when we talk next. This is so magnificent. (01:40:44)

[Emmy Vadnais] : Oh, I know I teared up a few times in this conversation today, and also when I read your fabulous book, LSD and the Mind of the Universe. It is very deeply moving, and I look forward to exploring more with you in the next conversation. Chris Bache, thank you so much once again for this incredible conversation that I hope many find insightful and hopefully uplifting in this journey of life that we're all a part of together. Thank you for being with me today. (01:41:16)

[Chris Bache] : Thank you, Amy. It's been a real pleasure and an honor. Thank you. (01:41:20)

[Emmy Vadnais] : My pleasure as well. And for those of you watching or listening, thank you for being with us because you are the reason that we are here. (01:41:29)

(2025-10-23)

要旨​

目次​

集合的カルマと転生：クリス・ベイシュ博士の洞察​

要旨​

I. 転生研究への導入：個人的探求の始まり​

II. 個人的カルマから集合的カルマへ​

III. 「ワンネス」の体験とその含意​

IV. 転生に関する科学的・宗教的見解​

V. カルマ、人生の目的、そして進化​

VI. 人類の現在地：集合的な危機と浄化​

VII. 「未来の人間」への展望​

ワンネスへの探求：クリス・バッハとの対話で紐解く集合意識​

序文：対話へのいざない​

1. 個人の探求から「集合」という概念へ​

1.1. 探求の始まり：輪廻転生との出会い​

1.2. 意識の深層へ：集合的無意識との遭遇​

1.3. 重要な注意点​

2. 「ワンネス（一体性）」とは何か​

2.1. ワンネスの本質：すべてのものは繋がっている​

2.2. ワンネスがもたらすもの：慈悲の誕生​

2.3. ワンネスへの道筋​

3. 私たちは「人類という組織の細胞」である​

3.1. 個人の問題は、社会の問題​

3.2. 境界のない意識​

3.3. 内なる変革が世界に与える影響​

4. 人生の羅針盤としてのカルマと輪廻転生​

4.1. カルマの本質：罰ではなく「学びの軌跡」​

4.2. 輪廻転生がもたらす3つの視点​

4.3. なぜ苦しみは存在するのか？​

5. 結論：人類の転換点と私たちにできること​

5.1. 集合的な「臨死体験」の時代​

5.2. 今、私たちが始めるべきこと​

5.3. 未来への展望​

Chris Bache の経歴と著作​

1. クリス・バッチ氏の学術的背景とキャリア​

2. 著作と探求の軌跡​

1. 『Life Cycles, Reincarnation and the Web of Life』​

2. 『Dark Night, Early Dawn』​

3. 『The Living Classroom, Teaching and Collective Consciousness』​

4. 『LSD in the Mind of the Universe, Diamonds from Heaven』​

3. 探求の進化：個人から集合へ​

カルマと転生（個人レベル）​

1. 転生の事実と継続性​

2. 個人的カルマの定義と仕組み​

3. カルマへの意識的な取り組み方と力​

4. 集合的次元との関連​

集合的カルマと意識​

クリス・バッチ氏の背景と初期の著作​

集合的カルマと転生への移行​

集合的カルマの文脈における現在の危機​

Oneness の体験​

ワンネスの本質と体験の深さ​

普遍的な本質の認識​

境界の溶解と多孔性​

体験の段階と強度​

集合的カルマとの関連性​

宗教と転生​

宗教的背景と学術的探求​

東洋の宗教と西洋の宗教における転生観​

キリスト教における転生観の複雑な歴史​

転生による神学の再解釈​

集合的カルマとの結びつき​

宗教的ドグマに対するバッチ氏の立場​

現在の集合的危機と未来​

1. 現在の集合的危機の本質と原因​

2. 危機が集団的浄化と進化の加速器となる​

3. 未来の展望：「未来の人間」の誕生​

カルマへの意識的な取り組み方​

1. カルマの理解：原因と結果の学習システム​

2. 意識的な取り組みの原則と実践​

A. 精神的な実践を通じた内的な浄化​

B. 倫理的・道徳的な行動変容​

C. 自己愛と自己受容の必要性​

3. 個人的カルマと集合的カルマへの取り組み​

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