Jonathan Davies : 自身の生涯にわたる UFO 体験を語る

September 29, 2025 · 197 min read

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要旨

経験者ジョナサン・デイヴィスの物語

この音声転写は、‌‌生涯にわたるUAP（未確認航空現象）体験者であるジョナサン・デイヴィス‌‌とホストのデイヴ・スコットとのインタビューで構成されています。

デイヴィスは、幼少期から‌‌オーブや未確認飛行物体（UFO）‌‌を見てきた経験を共有しており、特に15歳のときに遭遇した巨大なブーメラン型のクラフトや、その後の‌‌ポルターガイスト現象のような経験‌‌について詳しく説明しています。

彼は、これらの現象を地球外生命体（ET）ではなく‌‌次元的実体‌‌であると考えており、自身の体験が公になることに抵抗を感じつつも、情報収集への‌‌強い執着‌‌を語っています。さらに、2010年に目撃した‌‌UFOの着陸とそれに続く軍の反応らしき出来事‌‌、そしてこの現象に関する‌‌政府の秘密主義とメディアの対応‌‌に対する自身の見解についても述べています。

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ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏に関するブリーフィング：生涯にわたる体験者の証言とUAP現象に関する洞察

エグゼクティブ・サマリー

本ブリーフィングは、英国ウェールズ在住の生涯にわたるUAP（未確認異常現象）体験者であるジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の証言と見解を統合したものである。デイヴィス氏は、幼少期から続く多様な異常体験を持つだけでなく、近年のUAPに関する議論の活発化に伴い、科学者や政府関係者とも接触を持つ情報ハブ的な存在となっている。

デイヴィス氏の体験は、日常的に目撃していたオーブ、ミッシングタイム（失われた時間）を伴うUAP遭遇、パラノーマル（超常的）と見なされる実体との接触、身体的影響など、極めて多岐にわたる。特に重要な出来事として、15歳で体験した1983年の「三角形の夜」事件と、2010年に目撃したUAPの着陸、軍用ヘリコプターとの不可解な相互作用、そしてその後の追跡劇が挙げられる。

これらの体験を通じてデイヴィス氏が至った核心的見解は、UAP現象が地球外生命体によるものではなく、我々の現実に常に存在する「次元間存在」によるものであるという点にある。彼は、これらの存在が人間の知覚を操作し、ヘリコプターや人型など、様々な形態に「顕現」する能力を持つと主張する。

また、デイヴィス氏はUAPに関する公的な言説、特にいわゆる「ディスクロージャー（情報公開）」の動きに対しては批評的な視点を維持している。彼は英国政府の徹底した秘密主義を指摘し、米国主導の動きについても、真実の探求より軍事技術開発を優先するアジェンダが存在する可能性に警戒感を示している。彼の探求の最終的な関心は、UAPの技術的な側面ではなく、「彼らは何者で、なぜここにいるのか」という根源的な問いにあり、その答えは「タイムトラベル」という概念に繋がっていくと考えている。

I. ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の人物像

生涯にわたる体験者

ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏は、英国ウェールズ出身の生涯にわたるUAP現象の体験者である。彼の体験は幼少期に始まり、現在に至るまで継続している。彼は自身の体験を「完全に正常」なものと捉えており、「体験がないことの方が異常」だと感じていると述べている。

UAP分野における情報ハブ

過去4年間のUAPトピックの世界的な盛り上がりを受け、デイヴィス氏は自身の体験と、他の体験者、科学者、政府関係者との対話を通じて、「情報の百科事典」となった。彼はUFO Twitterなどのプラットフォームで活動し、ハル・パッツホフ氏をはじめとするUAP研究の重要人物とも直接的な対話を行っている。彼は現在、ウェールズのUFO調査団体「Swansea UFO Network (SUFON)」にも深く関与している。

公になることへの抵抗感と現在の探求

幼少期に自身の体験を他人に理解されず、いじめられた経験から、長年にわたり体験を秘密にしてきた。ビジネスへの影響を懸念し、公に語ることをためらっていたが、近年のUAPに関する言説の変化を受け、情報共有と真実探求のためにより積極的に活動するようになった。当初の「なぜ私なのか？」という問いは、現在では「なぜ我々なのか？」という、より広い視野での探求へと変化しており、その答えを見つけることに「完全に取り憑かれている」と語っている。

II. 体験の類型と詳細

デイヴィス氏の体験は単一の現象に留まらず、UFO、超常現象、臨死体験に近いものまで多岐にわたる。

A. 幼少期の体験：オーブとの共存

オーブの日常的な目撃: 幼少期、庭の端に現れるオーブを「虫のようなもの」として日常的に目撃していた。当初は他の人も見えていると思っていた。
孤立と秘密主義の始まり: 学校でオーブの存在を友人に話した際、全く理解されず、「奇妙なものが見える子」として孤立させられた。この経験が、両親を含め誰にも体験を語らないという彼の姿勢を決定づけた。
オーブの性質: オーブは彼を見守っているような印象を与えた。屋外では白または鏡のようなガラス質に見え、森に入ると赤色に変化した。
13歳の虫垂炎事件とオーブ: 13歳の時、森で虫垂炎により倒れた際、白やオレンジ色の多数のオーブに囲まれた。虫垂の摘出手術を受けて以降、この種の小さなオーブは一切見なくなり、現在はバンほどの大きさの巨大なオーブのみを目撃している。

B. 1983年のミッシングタイムと巨大UAP目撃

「三角形の夜」事件: 1983年1月19日、当時15歳だったデイヴィス氏は、自宅から数マイル離れた野原で意識を取り戻した。そこに至るまでの記憶がなく、前日を含め丸一日以上の記憶が欠落していた。
巨大なブーメラン型UAP: 彼は音のない静寂な「泡」のような空間におり、空を見上げると、空全体が動いた。それは幅数マイルにも及ぶ巨大なブーメランまたはウェッジ型のUAPであり、フェニックス・ライトを思わせる無数の小さな白い光が列をなしていた。
記憶の喪失と後日談: この出来事について、誰にも話さなかった。後年、UFO研究者のブルース・フェントン氏との会話で、この夜が「三角形の夜 (The Night of the Triangles)」として知られるUAPの多発事件があった日だと知ることになる。

C. 超常現象と実体との遭遇

「幽霊」との遭遇とデイヴィス氏の解釈: 1983年の事件の2週間後、1580年築の古い屋敷に引っ越した直後から、「幽霊」としか思えない現象を体験し始めた。初日の夜にベッドの端に座る老婆を見たり、日常的に押されたり、話しかけられたりした。彼はこれらを死者の霊ではなく、人間が理解できないために「幽霊」というレッテルを貼っている「次元間存在」だと考えている。
子供時代の「目」との遭遇: 幼少期には、睡眠中に麻痺状態になり、体が浮き上がり、暗い部屋でテーブルの上に横たわっている自分を発見するという体験を頻繁にしていた。その周りには、体や頭部がなく、大きな黒い雄牛のような「目」だけが浮遊していた。
最近の悪夢的な体験: 約1年前、睡眠中に息ができないほどの麻痺状態で目覚めた。顔の数インチ先に、長く黒い髪を持つ老婆のような「ぞっとする」女性型の実体が浮遊していた。彼が目覚めたことに気づくと、その実体は憎しみの表情を浮かべ、ベッドの端まで後ずさり、「ポン」と音を立てて消えた。この恐怖体験以来、デイヴィス氏はベッドで寝ることをやめ、椅子で夜を明かしている。

D. 身体的影響と特異な能力の発現

身体に残された痕跡: 子供の頃、皮膚に三角形の刺し傷のような痕があったことを記憶している。
「午前3時23分」の現象: 約1年間、毎晩午前3時23分に目が覚めるという現象が続いた。これは頭の中の奇妙な音（話すと再現できる高周波音）と、それまで経験したことのなかった大量の鼻血を伴った。
特異な能力の発現: この「午前3時23分」の現象が起きていた時期と時を同じくして、通常では接触不可能な立場の人々と容易にコンタクトを取り、対話できるようになった。彼は、この現象が自分に何らかの変化をもたらし、情報収集を可能にしたのではないかと考えている。

III. 2010年10月7日の着陸事件：詳細な時系列

この事件は、デイヴィス氏の体験の中でも特に複雑で、複数の現象が連続して発生したものである。

A. 事件の発生

オレンジ色のオーブの出現と降下: 当時2歳の娘が、自宅近くのテニスコート脇に浮かぶバンサイズのオレンジ色のオーブを指さした。オーブは瞬時に半マイル先の河口に降下し、着陸。その後、様々な色の強烈な閃光を放ち始めた。
監視する巨大物体: 対岸上空に、月のような大きさの白く青緑色がかった物体が出現し、着陸したオーブの様子を監視しているかのように静止した。
軍用ヘリコプターの不可解な行動: チヌークヘリコプターと思われる機体が飛来し、着陸したオーブに接近。両者の間で光が交わると、ヘリコプターは音も含めて完全に消滅。数秒後、数マイル離れた内陸に再び出現し、同じ行動を8〜9回繰り返した。
オーブの変化: オレンジ色のオーブは閃光をやめ、青いターコイズ色のUAPに姿を変えた。
エメラルドグリーンの物体の介入: 海側からエメラルドグリーンの物体が飛来。青いUAPにトラクタービームのような光を照射して包み込み、2機は一体となって海上へ去っていった。それと同時に、ヘリコプターと監視していた巨大物体も姿を消した。

B. 事件後の余波と調査

当局への報告と反応: 警察に通報したが、「他に報告はない」との返答。しかし、その後数週間にわたり、警察から「何か進展はあったか」と確認の電話が何度もかかってきた。
現場に現れた黒いバン: 事件翌日、UAPが着陸した湿地帯に2台の黒いバンが駐車され、数人の男たちが金属探知機のようなものを使って地面を調査しているのを目撃。しかし、その土地の所有者である農夫は、錆びついた南京錠で施錠されたゲートから誰も通していないと証言した。
目撃者の不在: 近隣住民に聞き込みをしたが、あれほど大きな音や光にもかかわらず、誰も何も見ていなかった。唯一、ガソリンスタンドの店員が「観光客が奇妙な閃光を見たと言っていた」と話したのみだった。

C. 継続する異常現象

戦闘機による追跡: 事件の数日後、自宅上空にあのエメラルドグリーンの物体が飛来し、静止。その後、猛スピードで海上へ飛び去ると、直後に2機の戦闘機が屋根を損傷させるほどの低空で現れ、物体と同じルートを追跡していった。
灰色の円盤型UAPの目撃: さらに数日後、交通量の多い町中で停車中、晴天の空に灰色の金属的な円盤型UAPを目撃。すぐそばを多くの人々が歩いていたが、誰一人として空を見上げる者はいなかった。

IV. UAP現象に関するデイヴィス氏の核となる見解

長年の体験と調査に基づき、デイヴィス氏はUAP現象の本質について以下のような見解を形成している。

A. 地球外ではなく「次元間」存在

彼は、これらの存在が他の惑星から飛来する「地球外生命体」であるとは考えていない。「彼らは常にここにいる」という感覚を持っており、ルイス・エリゾンド氏が提唱したような「次元間存在」という概念が自身の考えを最もよく表していると述べている。

B. 知覚操作と顕現能力

現象の最も重要な側面の一つとして、「知覚操作」を挙げている。これらの存在は、目撃者に特定のイメージを見せる能力があるという。

顕現の例: 2010年の事件におけるヘリコプターや黒いバンは、実際にはUAPがそのように「顕現」し、デイヴィス氏の知覚を操作した結果である可能性を示唆している。彼自身、三角形のUAPについて考えていた夜に、3機の黒い三角形が頭上を飛行するのを目撃し、これも自身の思考に反応した顕現だと考えている。

C. 「トリックスター」としての側面

現象は時に「トリックスター（いたずら者）」のような振る舞いを見せる。自宅で仕事に必要な道具が忽然と消え、諦めてコーヒーを淹れて戻ってくると元の場所に戻っている、といった経験を頻繁にしている。これは迷惑であると同時に、どこかコミカルな側面も持つと語っている。

D. オーブの目的とタイムトラベルの可能性

オーブの目的: 幼少期に見た小さなオーブは、監視や観察を目的とした「カメラ」や「ドローン」のようなものであり、別の次元や宇宙からの「視点」そのものである可能性を考えている。
タイムトラベル: 彼はUAP現象の核心に「タイムトラベル」があると確信している。1947年のロズウェル事件で回収されたのは、地球外の乗り物ではなく「タイムクラフト」であり、人類はその技術をすでに利用している可能性があると示唆している。UAP現象は、次元間存在（オーブなど）とタイムトラベル（物理的な機体）の二つの側面から構成されているというのが彼の見解である。

V. UAP言説と「ディスクロージャー」への批評的視点

英国政府の秘密主義

米国のUAPに関する議論の活発化とは対照的に、英国政府は「はるかに悪質」なレベルで秘密主義を貫いていると指摘。メディアは完全にコントロールされており、UAPの話題は嘲笑的に扱われるか、完全に無視される。政府の公式見解は常に「国家安全保障上の脅威ではないため調査しない」というものである。

UFO Twitterの功罪

UFO Twitterは有益な情報交換の場である一方、特定の物語を推し進める「排他的な小集団」が存在し、健全な議論を妨げていると批判。彼は自信が得た情報を元に、人々を正しい方向に導こうと努めているが、情報源との信頼関係を壊さないよう慎重に行動している。

TTSAとルイス・エリゾンド氏への懐疑的視点

TTSA（To The Stars Academy）の登場は計画されたものであり、ルイス・エリゾンド氏の活動がUAPの議論を前進させたことは評価しつつも、彼の出自がカウンターインテリジェンスであることから、その動機には常に注意を払うべきだと考えている。一連の動きは、純粋な情報公開ではなく、中国やロシアに対抗するための「脅威論」を醸成し、軍事技術開発の予算を獲得するためのものである可能性を疑っている。

証拠（写真・動画）の価値に対する見解

2010年の事件で決定的な写真を撮ろうとした際、最高のショットが黒塗りになったり、最近のオーブ撮影ではSDカードのデータが全て消去されたりした経験から、現象自体が記録されることを拒む場合があると認識している。また、たとえ鮮明な証拠を提示しても、懐疑論者や荒らしによって「偽物だ」と一蹴されるため、写真や動画を公開することの価値に懐疑的になっている。

事例報告

事例報告書：ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の超常現象体験に関する時系列的記録

1.0 序論 (Introduction)

本報告書は、英国ウェールズ在住の生涯にわたる超常現象体験者であるジョナサン・デイヴィス氏へのインタビューに基づき、彼の個人的な体験を時系列で客観的に記録・分析することを目的とする。本文書は、UAP（未確認航空現象）、超常現象、そして彼が地球外生命体（ET）とは異なる存在と見なすものとのコンタクトを含む、多岐にわたる体験を網羅する。デイヴィス氏の探求は、当初「なぜ私なのか？」という個人的な問いから始まったが、やがて「なぜ我々なのか？」という、より広範な人類に関わる探求へと深化していった。本報告書は、彼の体験の記録を通じて、その人生観の変遷を追うものである。まず、彼のその後の人生における現象との関係性の基礎を形成した、幼少期の体験から考察を開始する。

2.0 幼少期の体験：現象との共存の始まり (Childhood Experiences: The Beginning of Coexistence with the Phenomenon)

ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の幼少期の体験は、彼のその後の人生における現象との関係性の基礎を形成した。彼にとって、これらの初期体験は「完全に普通」の出来事であり、他者との認識の乖離を自覚するまで、それが特異なことであるとは考えていなかった。この時期の体験は、彼に深い孤立感をもたらすと同時に、現象の本質を問う内省的な探求の原点となった。

デイヴィス氏が最初に記憶している現象は、自宅の庭で日常的に目撃していたオーブである。彼はそれらを「虫のようなもの」と認識し、ごく自然な存在として受け入れていた。これらのオーブには特異な性質があり、日中の屋外では通常白色であったが、彼が森や林に入ると赤色に変化したという。しかし、学校で他の子供たちにオーブの存在を話した際、誰もそれを見ることができず、彼を「奇妙なものが見える変わった子」として孤立させ、いじめの対象とした。この出来事は、彼が自身の体験を他者に語ることをやめ、秘密にするようになった決定的な転換点であった。

特筆すべき出来事として、13歳の時に虫垂炎を発症した際の体験が挙げられる。彼は森の中で激しい腹痛で倒れた際、通常とは異なる色、すなわち白やオレンジ色のオーブに囲まれたという。彼はこの時のオーブを、自分を見守り、助けようとしている存在として感じ取った。この事件を境に、彼はそれまで日常的に見ていた小さなオーブを目撃しなくなったと述べている。これらの幼少期の体験は、彼を社会的に孤立させる一方で、自己と自然、そして目に見えない存在との繋がりを深く意識させるきっかけとなった。そして青年期には、より重大かつ複雑な事件が彼を待ち受けていた。

3.0 青年期の重大事件：遭遇の深化 (Significant Events in Adolescence: A Deepening of Encounters)

デイヴィス氏の青年期に発生した二つの重要な出来事は、彼の体験の性質を根本的に変え、UAPとの物理的な遭遇と、彼が「次元的存在」と呼ぶものとの相互作用へとその領域を拡大させた。これらの事件は、彼の人生において現象が単なる受動的な目撃対象から、より能動的で複雑な関与の対象へと移行したことを示している。

3.1 UAPとの物理的遭遇：「失われた時間」と巨大クラフト

15歳だった1983年1月19日、デイヴィス氏は自宅から数マイル離れた野原で意識を取り戻した。そこに至るまでの記憶は一切なく、当日はおろか前日の記憶さえも失っていた。意識を取り戻した彼は、自分が風や虫の音さえ聞こえない完全な「音のない泡」の中にいることに気づいた。そして見上げると、空全体を覆うかのような「巨大なブーメラン型、くさび形のクラフト」が滞空していた。その規模は幅数マイルにも及び、エンジン音などの音は一切なく、静寂の中で上空に存在していた。彼はその外観を、後に有名になった「フェニックス・ライト」事件で目撃された物体に似ていると描写している。やがて、その「泡」が弾けるように消え、足元には霧のような靄が立ち込め、彼は1月の真冬の寒さを急に感じたという。数年前、UFO研究家のブルース・フェントン氏との会話を通じて、この夜が「三角形の夜（The Night of the Triangles）」として知られる、英国における大規模なUFO目撃事件の一部であったことを初めて知った。

3.2 超常現象との連続性：次元的存在の出現

UAP遭遇事件からわずか2週間後、デイヴィス氏の一家は南ウェールズで最も古いと言われる1580年築の邸宅に引っ越した。この家で、彼の体験は新たな次元へと突入する。入居初日の夜から、彼は「ベッドの端に座る老婆」の姿を目撃し、その後も日常的に体に触れられる感覚や、誰もいないはずの2階で複数の寝室のドアが一斉に閉まる音を聞くなど、数々の不可解な現象に遭遇した。これらの体験は彼に恐怖を与えたが、彼はこれらを伝統的な意味での「幽霊」とは捉えていない。デイヴィス氏は後に、この老婆が伝統的な幽霊ではなく、彼の認識に合わせて象徴的な姿をとった、より根源的な何らかの存在であった可能性を考察している。この青年期の体験は、大規模なUAPとの遭遇と、古典的な超常現象との間に時間的な近接性があることを示唆しており、彼の体験が質的に深化する転換点となった。

4.0 成人後の主要な遭遇事例：2010年の着陸事件 (Major Encounters in Adulthood: The 2010 Landing Incident)

2010年10月7日に発生した着陸事件は、デイヴィス氏の体験の中でも特に複雑かつ多層的なものであり、現象が複数の異なる要素を巻き込みながら展開した重要な事例である。この事件は、オーブ、クラフト、そして謎のヘリコプター様物体との相互作用、さらには事件後の不可解な後処理活動を示唆する要素を含んでおり、現象の複雑性を如実に示している。

4.1 発端：オレンジ色のオーブの出現と着陸

事件は、当時2歳だった娘が窓の外を指さし「ブライト（Bright）」と言ったことから始まった。デイヴィス氏が窓の外を見ると、隣家のテニスコート付近に「非常に大きなバンほどの大きさ」のオレンジ色のオーブが浮遊していた。彼が注視していると、オーブは瞬時にして約半マイル先の河口へと移動し、着陸した。着陸後、物体は様々な色の強烈な閃光を放ち始め、その光は彼がいる自宅の方向へと向けられているように感じられたという。

4.2 謎のヘリコプターとの相互作用

閃光が続く中、デイヴィス氏は内陸部からチヌークヘリコプターのような重いローター音を聞いた。音源に目をやると、赤と白のライトを持つ機体が低空で接近してくるのが見えた。その機体は地上で光る物体の上空に到達すると、両者の間で光が交わされ、その直後、機体は音も含めて完全に「消滅」した。しかし、しばらくすると遠方の内陸部から再びその音が聞こえ始め、機体が再度接近してくるというサイクルを8〜9回繰り返した。この物理法則を無視したかのような挙動は、事件の不可解さを一層際立たせている。

4.3 エメラルドグリーンの物体の介入と回収

ヘリコプターの不可解なサイクルが続く中、今度は海側からエメラルドグリーンの物体が低空で飛来した。この物体は、地上で青色に変化していたクラフトに接近。すると、緑色の物体から「トラクタービームのような」光が放たれ、青い物体を包み込んだ。その後、二つの物体は共に海の方角へと去っていった。この時点で、繰り返し現れていたヘリコプターと、対岸上空に滞在していた別の巨大な白い物体も同時に姿を消した。

4.4 事件後の調査と不可解な出来事

デイヴィス氏は事件の解明のため、警察、沿岸警備隊、そして近隣の空軍基地などに問い合わせを行ったが、いずれも関連する情報を得ることはできなかった。事件の翌日、彼は着陸現場に「2台の黒いバン」と数人の男たちがいるのを目撃する。しかし、その土地を所有する地元の農夫に確認したところ、誰にも立ち入りの許可を出しておらず、現場へと続くゲートは錆びた南京錠で施錠されたままであったという。さらに数日後、彼がロボット芝刈り機を持って家の外にいたところ、自宅上空に事件で目撃したエメラルドグリーンの物体が再び出現し、それを追うように2機の戦闘機が家屋の屋根を損傷させるほどの低空飛行で通過するという出来事も発生した。

5.0 生理学的・心理的影響 (Physiological and Psychological Effects)

ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の体験は、単なる外部の現象の目撃に留まらず、彼の身体、睡眠パターン、そして精神状態に深く、かつ直接的な影響を及ぼしてきた。これらの影響は、彼が現象に対して受動的な目撃者ではなく、時には能動的な被験者としての側面を持つことを強く示唆している。

アブダクションタイプの体験: 幼少期、彼は頻繁に金縛りに遭い、体が軽くなって天井に向かって浮遊する感覚を経験した。その後、意識が途絶え、目が覚めると暗い部屋におり、「大きな黒い牛のような目」をした存在たちに囲まれているという体験を繰り返した。これは、アブダクション（誘拐）体験として報告される典型的な特徴と一致する。
「午前3時23分」現象: 約1年間にわたり、毎晩決まって午前3時23分に、奇妙な耳鳴りのような音と共に目覚めるという特異なパターンを経験した。目覚めると同時に大量の鼻血が出て、それは彼が生まれて初めて経験するものであった。デイヴィス氏は、この現象が起きていた時期に「誰に連絡を取るべきかを知っているようだった」と述べ、通常では接触不可能な立場にある人物と繋がる能力が発現したと考察している。そこから生じる「偶然の一致やシンクロニシティは尋常ではなかった」と語っており、生理的現象と超常的能力との間に強い同期性があった可能性を示唆している。
最近の恐怖体験: 約1年前、彼は深刻な恐怖を伴う体験をした。金縛り状態で身動きが取れない中、「長い黒髪を持つ老婆のような存在（hag）」が、顔からわずか1インチの距離に浮かんでいるのを目撃した。その存在は、「馬鹿げたことに7フィートはあろうかという黒髪で、まるで水中にいるかのように文字通り漂っていた」と描写されている。この存在は、彼が目覚めたことに気づくと憎悪に満ちた表情を浮かべて後退し、忽然と姿を消した。この出来事がもたらした心理的トラウマは極めて深刻で、彼はそれ以来、自分のベッドで眠ることができず、椅子で夜を明かす生活を続けている。彼は後に、この「老婆」もまた、彼の精神が理解不能な何かを処理するために作り出した「ラベル」や「アイコン」であった可能性を考察している。
身体的痕跡: 幼少期、彼は自身の体に現れた三角形の刺し傷のような痕を記憶している。これは、他の体験者が報告する身体的痕跡と類似しており、物理的な干渉があった可能性を示している。

6.0 体験から導かれる考察と世界観 (Analysis, Worldview, and Reflections from Experience)

長年にわたる多様な超常現象を体験する中で、ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏は現象の本質について独自の理論と世界観を構築してきた。彼の考察は、単純な地球外生命体（ET）仮説を大きく超え、より複雑で多層的な現実の姿を示唆している。彼の探求は、個人的な問いから始まり、今や人類全体に関わる普遍的な問いへと昇華している。

現象の本質についての理論

次元間存在仮説: デイヴィス氏は、自身が遭遇する「幽霊」やその他の存在を、遠い惑星から飛来した地球外生命体とは考えていない。むしろ、それらは我々の現実と重なり合うように存在する「次元的な存在」であると確信している。これらの存在は常に我々の周りに存在し、特定の条件下、あるいは特定の人間に対してその姿を現すのだと彼は考えている。
認識操作仮説: 彼の理論の中核をなすのが、現象が目撃者の認識を積極的に操作するという考えである。2010年の事件で目撃したヘリコプターや黒いバンは、物理的に実在したものではなく、彼の認識が現象によって操作され、彼が理解しやすいアイコンとして見せられた可能性があると彼は推測している。この「何にでも姿を変えることができる」という考えは、物理学者のハル・パソフ氏や、元米国防情報局高官のルイス・エリゾンド氏との対話を通じても補強されたという。

体験者としての自己認識

デイヴィス氏の探求の動機は、長年の経験を通じて大きく変化した。当初の「なぜ私なのか？（Why me?）」という個人的な苦悩は、UAP、幽霊、オーブといった多様な現象が本質的に interconnected（相互に関連している）であるとの気づきを経て、やがて「なぜ我々なのか？（Why us?）」という、現象と人類全体の関わりを問う、より広範な視点へと移行した。彼は、幼少期のいじめによるトラウマや、自身のビジネスへの悪影響を懸念し、長らく体験を公に語ることを避けてきた。しかし、近年のUAPに関する公的な言説の変化が、彼に自身の体験を共有する勇気を与えた。

現象に対する最終的な見解

デイヴィス氏は、いわゆる「ナッツ＆ボルト」と表現される物理的なUFOは、「タイムトラベル」に関連している可能性があると考えている。具体的には、1947年のロズウェル事件で墜落した物体は、未来から来たタイムクラフトであったのではないかと推測している。彼の結論として、現象は単一の説明では解明できず、次元間存在、認識操作、そして未来からの干渉（タイムトラベル）といった複数の要素が絡み合う、極めて複雑なものであるという見解に至っている。

7.0 結論 (Conclusion)

本報告書は、ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の生涯にわたる超常現象体験を時系列で記録・分析したものである。彼の体験は、幼少期に日常的に目撃したオーブから始まり、青年期の重大なUAP遭遇と伝統的な超常現象、そして成人後の複数の要素が絡み合う複雑な着陸事件へと、その深度と複雑性を増しながら一貫して彼の人生と共にあった。

デイヴィス氏の体験は、彼に社会的な孤立と、現象の本質を問う深い内面的な探求の両方をもたらした。その長い道のりの果てに、彼は現象を単なる地球外からの訪問者としてではなく、我々の現実と共存する「次元間存在」であり、時には我々の「認識を操作する」能力を持つ、より深遠な存在として理解するに至った。彼の洞察は、UAP、超常現象、そして意識の問題が、本質的に分かちがたく結びついている可能性を示唆している。

ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の事例は、UAPや超常現象が単なる目撃談に留まるものではないことを力強く示している。それは体験者の生涯にわたり、そのアイデンティティ、世界観、そして真実探求の動機そのものに影響を与え続ける、極めて個人的で深遠な旅なのである。彼の記録は、この現象を理解するためには、物理的な証拠の追求だけでなく、体験者の意識と主観的な現実に真摯に耳を傾けることが不可欠であることを教えてくれる。

「生涯にわたる体験者（Lifelong Experiencer）」としての背景とアイデンティティ

ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の「生涯にわたる体験者（Lifelong Experiencer）」としての背景とアイデンティティは、幼少期からの非日常的な出来事、それによる個人的な困難、そして近年におけるUAP（未確認航空現象）研究への深い関与を通じて形成されています。

1. 生涯にわたる体験者としてのアイデンティティ

‌‌起源と範囲‌‌

デイヴィス氏は‌‌英国出身‌‌の生涯にわたる体験者です。
彼は幼少期からUAPや超常現象に接触しており、「なぜ自分なのか (why me?)」という疑問を追い続けています。
ホストのデイヴ・スコット氏は彼を‌‌「マルチプル・エクスペリエンサー（複数現象体験者）」‌‌と呼んでおり、彼は超常現象、超自然現象、UFO、地球外生命体との接触、さらにはクリプティッド（未確認生物）関連の事柄まで、あらゆる現象を経験しています。

‌‌幼少期の体験と孤立‌‌

彼の体験は子供の頃から始まっており、庭の端に‌‌オーブ（光の球）‌‌を見ることを覚えていますが、それは彼にとって「完全に普通」のことでした。オーブは彼にとって虫のような存在で、全く怖くありませんでした。
しかし、学校で他の男の子にオーブについて話した際、彼はその子に‌‌嘲笑‌‌され、「少しおかしい」と指をさされ、学校での最初の数年間は彼の人生を「地獄のように」しました。
この経験の結果、彼は‌‌自分の体験について口を閉ざし‌‌、両親にも話さず、‌‌孤独な人間（a loner）‌‌になりました。彼は自分の会社を持つなど「普通の生活」を送ろうと努力し、長年の友人たちでさえ、彼がソーシャルメディアで活動を始めるまで彼の体験について知りませんでした。

2. 重要な転換期としての出来事

デイヴィス氏のアイデンティティは、彼の人生における二つの大きなイベントによって特徴づけられます。

‌‌15歳時の大事件（1983年1月19日）‌‌

15歳の時、彼は家から数マイル離れた野原で記憶を失った状態で目覚めるという‌‌「失われた時間（missing time）」‌‌を伴う大事件を経験しました。
その際、彼は空全体が動いたかのように見える‌‌巨大なブーメラン型またはくさび形の飛行物体‌‌を目撃しました。これは後に「三角形の夜 (Night of the Triangles)」と呼ばれる出来事と関連していることが判明しました。
この事件の2週間後に彼は引っ越し、1580年建造のサウスウェールズで最も古い家に住み始めましたが、この時から‌‌幽霊‌‌とされる存在の目撃が始まりました。
幽霊のような存在は、オーブやUFOとは異なり、彼を怖がらせました。

‌‌2010年の着陸体験と公的関与‌‌

2010年に彼は大規模な着陸体験（オレンジ色のオーブが着陸し、青いクラフトに変化する事件）に遭遇しました。
この出来事が、彼がUAP現象の答えを探求し、最終的に「なぜ私なのか」という疑問に取り組むきっかけとなりました。彼はこの時、公に出ようと試みましたが、当時の世間やUFOコミュニティがまだ準備できていないと感じました。
近年、UAPの話題が世界中で爆発的に広がり、公の議論が変わってきてから、彼はソーシャルメディアに参加し、積極的に情報を探し始めました。

3. 研究者・ネットワーク構築者としての役割

過去4年間で、彼は自身の経験と、科学者や政府関係者、他の体験者との議論を通じて、‌‌「情報の百科事典」‌‌のような存在になっています。
彼は現在、ウェールズの‌‌SUFON (Swansea UFO Network)‌‌に深く関与しており、ウェブサイトの再設計を行っています。
彼は多くの情報を持っているにもかかわらず、公の場で発言することには慎重で、公表によって自身のビジネスに影響が出ることを懸念していました。
しかし、彼の動機は個人的な質問から変化しており、現在は「なぜ私なのか (why me)」ではなく、「‌‌なぜ私たちなのか (why us)‌‌」という、人類全体のために答えを見つけようとする使命感に駆られています。

4. 現象の性質と信念

デイヴィス氏のアイデンティティの核となるのは、現象に対する彼の独自の見解です。彼はそれらを‌‌地球外生命体（ET）‌‌として分類することはほとんどありません。
代わりに、彼はこれらの存在を‌‌「次元的実体（dimensional entities）」‌‌であると考えています。彼らは別の惑星から来たのではなく、「ここにいる」と感じているからです。
彼は、ルー・エリゾンド氏が次元的な側面について語り始めたことで、自身の考えに「言葉が与えられた」と感じています。
また、彼は、これらの存在が人間の‌‌知覚を変化‌‌させ、文字通りどんなものにも‌‌「具現化（manifest）」‌‌できるという確信を深めています。例えば、彼は戦闘機が空母を追いかけるのを見た後に、UFOが三角形やヘリコプターとして現れる体験を語っています。これは、彼が現実を誤って解釈している可能性（知覚の変容）を示唆しています。
宗教心はないものの、彼は自身を‌‌精神的（spiritual）‌‌であると考えています。

幼少期の体験

ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の幼少期の体験は、彼の「生涯にわたる体験者（Lifelong Experiencer）」としてのアイデンティティの基盤を形成しており、その特徴は‌‌UAP（未確認航空現象）‌‌との日常的な接触と、それに対する‌‌周囲の無理解による深い孤立‌‌です。

1. オーブとの日常的な接触

デイヴィス氏は‌‌子供の頃から‌‌、自分の体験がいつ始まったかを覚えており、現象は常に彼と共にありました。
彼は庭の端で‌‌オーブ（光の球）‌‌を見ていたことを覚えています。
これらのオーブは彼に近づくことはありませんでしたが、彼にとってオーブを見ることは‌‌「完全に普通 (completely normal)」‌‌のことでした。彼はオーブを虫（bugs）のようなものだと考えていました。
彼はまた、フィールドの端にいるオーブを目撃し、他の誰も見ていないにもかかわらず、それらが‌‌彼を監視している‌‌かのような印象を受けていました。彼は、それらが「ガラスのカメラ（a mirror glass）」のようなもので、彼から目を離さないようにしていると考えていました。
幼少期、外を歩いているとき、オーブは‌‌白い色‌‌でしたが、森や林に入ると‌‌赤色に変化‌‌しました。
これらのオーブや彼が見たUFOは、彼を‌‌少しも怖がらせることはありませんでした‌‌。

2. 幼少期の接触と孤立

デイヴィス氏が自分の体験が他の人とは違うと気づいたのは、学校での出来事がきっかけでした。

彼は小学校に入学して初めて、学校でもオーブを見たため、新しくできた友達の男の子に「追いかけて、何をするか見てみよう」と誘いました。
彼は、他の子供も自分と同じようにオーブが見えていると思っていましたが、その男の子は彼が何を言っているのか全く理解できず、‌‌彼を嘲笑し‌‌、他の子供たちに彼が「少しおかしい (a bit strange)」こと、そして「物が見える」ことを指摘しました。
この経験が、彼の学校での最初の数年間を‌‌「地獄のように (pretty much hell)」‌‌しました。
その結果、彼は‌‌体験について口を閉ざし‌‌、‌‌両親にも何も話しませんでした‌‌。
この経験によって、彼は‌‌孤独な人間（a loner）‌‌になりました。彼はそれについて話すことができなかったのです。
他の子供たちは彼が「少し違う (a bit different)」ことを知っていたため、彼から距離を置いていましたが、デイヴィス氏自身は最終的に‌‌一人の時間を楽しむ‌‌ようになりました。彼は田舎での長い散歩に出かけ、自然の一部となって過ごしました。

3. 健康上の出来事とオーブの集合

13歳の時、デイヴィス氏は盲腸炎で倒れるという重大な健康上の出来事を経験しました。
彼は家から何マイルも離れた林の中で倒れ、激痛に苦しんでいた際、‌‌オーブに囲まれました‌‌。
林の中では通常オーブは赤でしたが、この時ばかりは‌‌白やオレンジのオーブ‌‌が集まり、彼の頭の周りを渦巻いていました。
彼は、彼らが‌‌「自分を見守るために現れた (turned up to look after me type thing)」‌‌という印象を受けました。
彼はなんとか家に帰り、その夜に病院で盲腸の摘出手術を受けました。
この事件以来、彼は‌‌その小さなオーブを見なくなりました‌‌。現在彼が見るのは、バンほどの大きさや、熱気球ほどの巨大なオーブだけです。

4. 幼少期の「遭遇」

デイヴィス氏は、自分の体験を「地球外生命体（ET）」とは考えていませんが、子供の頃から‌‌「存在（beings）」‌‌との最初の接触がありました。
それは、彼が麻痺した状態で目覚め、‌‌呼吸が全くできない‌‌状態になることから始まりました。体が軽くなり、天井に近づいて浮かんでいるように感じ、その後ブラックアウトしました。
目覚めると、彼は‌‌暗い部屋のテーブル‌‌のようなものに寝かされていました。
彼は、‌‌体も顔もなく、目だけが浮かんでいる‌‌（浮遊している）のを見ました。それは大きな黒い牛のような目をしている存在でした。それらは彼の周りを旋回しているように感じられました。
彼は、まるで‌‌「医者のテーブルにいる (on doctor's table)」‌‌ような、手術室や病院にいるような印象を受けました。しかし、彼は何か悪いことをされた記憶はなく、ただ何が起こっているのか分からず‌‌「不快 (unpleasant)」‌‌でした。この現象は、‌‌週にほとんど毎晩‌‌、何ヶ月も続き、その後止まり、また始まるという規則的なものであり、最終的には‌‌「普通のこと (normal)」‌‌になりました。

5. 身体的なマーク

彼は子供の頃、自分の体に‌‌奇妙なマーク‌‌があることに気づいていませんでしたが、最近になり他の体験者が話す「三角形のマーク」や「あざ」について聞いて、幼少期に‌‌針のような「三角の跡」‌‌を皮膚に見たことを思い出しました。
これらのマークは彼の体に長期間残ることはなく、せいぜい1週間ほどで消えていました。

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Jonathan Davies - ET Contact - Aliens - UAP Conspiracy - The UFO Narrative

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPNWgny79YQ

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（以下は "Jonathan Davies - ET Contact - Aliens - UAP Conspiracy - The UFO Narrative" と題された動画の文字起こしです。話者識別しています。語り手は Jonathan Davies で、聞き手はホストの Dave Scott です。）

[host - Dave Scott] : You may not know who Jonathan Davies is on a name basis, but after tonight, guaranteed, you'll remember him. John is a lifelong experiencer from the United Kingdom, following the question of why me? Jonathan wants to know the answers to why he was one of the chosen ones to have contact with extraterrestrials. But over the last four years, since the explosion of the UAP topic all over the world, Jonathan has become an encyclopedia of information through his experiences and what people from other experiencers to scientists and government agents have discussed with him. Why is this the man people want to talk to? (00:08:05)

[host - Dave Scott] : We're going to find out tonight. Jonathan Davies, welcome to Spaced Out Radio for the first time. How are you? (00:08:12)

[Jonathan Davies] : I'm good, Dave. Thanks ever so much for having me. (00:08:14)

[host - Dave Scott] : I am very glad that you're here. And you and I have been chatting for about a year and a half, two years now, off and on. But more recently, over the last few months, we've really become close in having some very deep and in-depth conversations. And we're going to get heavy into that later on in the show. But for our listeners, I want them to get to know you properly. What's it like being a lifelong experiencer? (00:08:39)

[host - Dave Scott] : What happened to you? (00:08:40)

[Jonathan Davies] : Oh, I've always, since a child, I mean, I can remember when it started. It was, it's always been with me. I would, I would be out in the garden, I remember as just on my own. And I would see orbs at the end of the garden, they would never get that close to me. But I would just always see them so that they were like bugs to me. You know, they were, it was just completely normal. (00:09:03)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, it wasn't really until I went to my first school. And I saw them at the school, as I always did. And I said to one of the other boys that was, you know, new, I'd only known him for an hour, let's chase them and see what they do. You know, I was just trying to be friendly with the boy. And I thought he could see them like I could see them, you know, I didn't realize nobody else could see them. And he didn't have a clue what I was talking about, basically, and derided me and pointed out to the other children that I was a bit strange, and that I could see things. (00:09:38)

[Jonathan Davies] : And, you know, can you see them and no, they couldn't see them either. And, and it made my life pretty, pretty much hell through that first few years in school. Luckily, it didn't follow me into into high school. You know, we got away from that initial class, and we all mixed from other schools, and it sort of ended and I basically shut up about it. I didn't say anything to anyone, I never told my parents that I could see these things either. And I didn't, once I had that experience with others, I didn't really want anyone else to know. (00:10:13)

[host - Dave Scott] : Growing up, how difficult was that for you being an experiencer? Because you were one of the few out there, John, who what I call a multiple experiencer, you've experienced the paranormal, you've experienced the supernatural, UFOs, extraterrestrial contact, you've run the gamut, even some cryptid stuff, you've run the gamut on everything, and very few experiencers, if we use that as a broad term, have had experiences with other phenomena as well. Do you do you feel special? (00:10:51)

[host - Dave Scott] : And I don't mean like proud special, do you feel special that you've been given the eyes, the ears and the know how to have all of these experiences? (00:10:59)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't feel special. I mean, I just, like I said, it feels completely normal to me. And it's abnormal to not have it, if you like. When other people say they don't even see UFOs, and I just find that fascinating, because I can literally go outside sometimes and just look up to the sky and say hi, and I will get, you know, I'll get a big flash in the sky straight away. You know, it's like they say hi back, you know, it's part of my life. (00:11:32)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it's always been with me. The ghost-type encounters, if you want to call them ghosts, I don't particularly call them ghosts, I think they're dimensional entities, started after a major event that happened to me when I was 15. I actually know the date, it was the 19th of January 1983. I basically found myself in a field, a few miles from home, with no memory at all of how I got to the field. It was dark, I was on my own, it was cold. (00:12:08)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I'm basically in this field, in like a bubble, okay, I can hear the world around me. You know, there's no sound at all, there's no wind, there's no insects, there's no birds, there's nothing, there's just me in this field. And I'm looking up at the sky, and as I'm looking up at the sky, thinking I'm looking at the sky, I've got the memory of, wow, look at those stars tonight, it's amazing. But as I'm thinking that, the whole sky just moved. (00:12:37)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it wasn't the sky at all I was looking at, it was basically a giant boomerang wedge-shaped craft that was miles wide. I could see, if you think of the Phoenix lights, if everyone knows the Phoenix lights, it was a bit like that, but a lot smaller white lights, and hundreds and hundreds of them, and two rows of those, and there were three rows. I mean, I don't know whether it was three craft, or one giant craft, I'm not sure, but literally the whole sky moved. And I'm looking up at this thing, and in total awe, and it should fall out the sky, Dave. I mean, you know, there's no sound, there's no engines, you just think, how is that thing staying there, you know? (00:13:23)

[Jonathan Davies] : How didn't it fall out of the sky? But it just, it was just drifting. But anyway, it drifts enough, and I look around at this point, and it's like the bubble bursts, and I'm suddenly freezing cold. This is January in the UK, that is the middle of winter. So, but I'm stood there in jeans and a t-shirt, you know, none of it made any sense. There's all like foggy mist at my feet, that it was quite an eerie experience. (00:13:54)

[Jonathan Davies] : I looked to my right, and I got my bearings, I knew where I was. I was literally about a mile and a half from home, and I suddenly felt uncomfortable. So, I run home, I get to my front door, and I think, I'm going to be in trouble with my parents, you know? I don't know where I've been, I've got no memory at all. In fact, I didn't have a memory the whole day. (00:14:16)

[Jonathan Davies] : I didn't have a memory of the previous day either. It was literally, it was a blank. So, I thought, I'm not going to go in the front door, because I'm going to get into trouble. So, I go around the back of the house, I climb up the drainpipe, like I used to do when I was a naughty boy, and I didn't want to get told off by my parents, they didn't want to see me. So, I climbed in through the bathroom window, and I went to bed. (00:14:35)

[Jonathan Davies] : And then the next day, I was expecting to get it from my parents, you know, because I must have done something. I was thinking, you know, something must have happened. But I went down with my school the next day as well, and I went downstairs expecting to get it, and they didn't say a word. And I thought, well, I'm not going to say anything, because I've got away with it. Whatever this is, I've got away with it. (00:14:57)

[Jonathan Davies] : And we were moving home in two weeks after that. So, I thought to myself, well, I don't need to tell the kids in school, I'd already had grief as a younger kid, you know, and I didn't want to take it to high school and be even stranger by saying, I've got a few hours of missing time, and this big event has happened, you know. I mean, I must have gone to school that day that all this happened, because I wasn't in my school uniform. (00:15:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : I must have come home, got changed, and something after getting changed, something happened. And I really don't know what it is. I mean, it turns out that that night was the 19th of January, 1983. And I didn't know there was a major event until a few years ago. I got talking to the author Bruce Fenton on UFO Twitter. (00:15:45)

[SPEAKER_04] : Good guy. (00:15:46)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. And he basically, I told him what had happened to me, you know, that I'd had this giant, you know, Phoenix Lights type encounter when I was 15 years old. And he said, well, that sounds like the Night of the Triangles. Well, I'd never heard of the Night of the Triangles. And he said, we'll get in touch with SUFON. We were the Swansea UFO Network in, I'm in Wales, in the UK. And I'd already knew them, to be honest with you anyway, because I'd reported another major event that had happened to me in 2010. So I thought, all right, I didn't know, but it's Night of the Triangles. I'll look into this. (00:16:22)

[Jonathan Davies] : But I can go into that one a bit later, if you like, Dave. But yes, basically what happened was, we did move two weeks after this event. And I moved into the oldest house in South Wales, in Newport. It was like an old mansion house, built in 1580. Very old house. And that was the point I started seeing what you might term as ghosts. Yeah, so that was... I can go into that, if you like. (00:16:59)

[host - Dave Scott] : Yeah, let's get into that. Why not? That's what we're here for. (00:17:02)

[Jonathan Davies] : Okay. I mean, literally from day one, from day one of going into that, I don't know whether this was due to... I'd never seen anything like classes of ghosts up until that point. I used to see the orbs in my house and things like that. I never associated them with ghosts, but I never associated them with ET or dimensionals or whatever you want to call them. So we move into this house and literally, the very first day, my first night in the house, I've got a little old lady sitting on the end of my bed. (00:17:36)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I can clearly see her and it did scare me. I've never been scared by the orbs and the craft that I see. That's never bothered me in the slightest. But this did have an effect. It really did scare me. First night, you think, oh my God, where have we moved? And then literally every single day, I would get pushed, I would get touched on the head. I'd wake up, I'd be being spoken to and I could have my eyes closed and I'd wake and I could hear this female voice speaking to me and wake up. (00:18:19)

[Jonathan Davies] : It was quite an eerie experience. I mean, the very first week I can remember, my parents had gone to work. My grandparents who lived with us, who'd moved in with us as well, they'd gone shopping and I was on my own. It must have been, I don't know whether it was a Saturday or something but I was on my own. And I'm sat downstairs and suddenly, because it's a very old house, you can hear anyone walks on the landing. You could hear the rickety floorboards of somebody walking on the landing. (00:18:54)

[Jonathan Davies] : So I can hear somebody clearly walking along the landing upstairs. And all of a sudden, my mum used to keep all the bedroom doors shut because she's got a thing about dust and cleaning. But all of a sudden I can hear all the doors slam, every single bedroom door. And then there was like seven different bedrooms, big massive doors, huge bedrooms and slam, slam, slam, slam, slam every single door. So that scared me straight away. (00:19:23)

[Jonathan Davies] : So you can imagine I've already had all these experiences for the first week and now I'm on my own and I'm getting it in the daytime. So I go upstairs and every single door was open, you know, wide open. They couldn't have been more open as well. So I just heard them all shut but now they're all wide open. So I'm looking under the beds, you know, there's nothing, you know, I've looked everywhere. So I closed all the doors, having found nothing. (00:19:52)

[Jonathan Davies] : I got back downstairs feeling very uncomfortable. And 10 minutes later, exactly the same thing happens, Dave, you know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang all over again. I go outside, I got myself a pickaxe handle, I'm thinking there's got to be somebody in the house for me, you know, somebody's having a laugh. And back upstairs, there's nobody. So I go outside and we had huge gardens, big massive gardens. And I'm sitting outside now on a bench, I'm thinking I'm going to wait for my grandparents to come home. (00:20:23)

[Jonathan Davies] : I'm not staying in that house. You know, 15 or not, I was, I was still a kid. And so I'm sat on the bench outside and this big house had like a big massive porch. And it had like leaded glass hexagon windows. Imagine like a church, you know, very old church. And I look up and the little old lady is just looking at me. I mean, I get chills now thinking about this. I've relayed this story lots of times to different people and every single time David still has the same effect, sends a chill straight through me. (00:20:58)

[Jonathan Davies] : Just, I can see her face, you know, clearly looking at me and you know, oh yeah, pretty wild. I mean, but it was ongoing. I mean, that, that particular part of the house used to be a chapel. Okay. It was a very old house, like I say. And it was called the Queen Anne Room because apparently a queen had stayed in there. It was a, it was a big mansion house. You know, it wasn't a small little house. (00:21:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : And my sister, that was her bedroom. My sister moved out because she was seeing the same things and she was experiencing the same woman and she, she couldn't take it, you know? So she literally moved out. She was there only a few months and she was gone. So just to give you an idea, I mean, and that is, you know, I've, I've had that now. I tend to live in, I'm in a small house now, but I've had a lot of big houses, old houses, barn conversions, and everywhere I went, I would get, you know, exactly the same sort of thing going on. (00:22:04)

[Jonathan Davies] : It would seem to follow me around. Here are these tricksters with the skinwalker ranch and things like that. But I get that as well. I don't think, I don't think it's ghosts. I don't know what it is. I think maybe it's some sort of entity that I'm misinterpreting as a, you know, you, you, you iconize things as humans. We see everything in 3D. We're unable to see anything outside of 3D. So we, if we, we don't, we can't identify something. (00:22:30)

[Jonathan Davies] : We tend to give it, give it a label, you know? And so you think, well, what is it? I don't know what it is. So, oh, it must be this. So that's what you tend to do. So maybe that wasn't a little old lady. Maybe there was something else, you know? And I, I've literally figured, oh, well, imagine there must be little old ladies living in this house, little old men living in this house. And, you know, you, you think of ghosts and that's where this, this term ghosts come from. (00:22:59)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I don't know. I mean, it's the same thing with UFOs. You know, we don't know what they are. So we, we, we put an icon on them. We put a label on them. There must be a plane. There must be a helicopter. That can't be a UFO, you know? So people label things. Strange. (00:23:15)

[host - Dave Scott] : Was it strange for you though, because this was very natural, you know, at what point did you start to notice that maybe your life was different than everyone else's from the UFOs to the missing time to the paranormal? (00:23:33)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. I mean, I noticed as soon as that boy basically didn't see, see the horbs, you know, as soon as, as soon as he made my life hell for me. I knew I was, I was a bit different than I was because I would see these things and we'd be on the football field and we'd be playing football. I'd be playing rugby and they'd be on the edge of the field and nobody else would ever see them. And I just, they just mosey along. (00:23:58)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I mean, I see, I think they're like, like a mirror glass, the small ones. I think they're sort of like a glass camera and they used to keep an eye on me. That was, that was the impression I used to get. If I was, if I was, I mean, it made me a loner when I was, when I was young, because I, I couldn't talk about it. You know, I couldn't really speak about it. (00:24:19)

[Jonathan Davies] : And the other kids knew that I was a bit different because I could see strange things and they couldn't. So they kept away from me. And to be honest, I quite enjoyed that in the end. I used to enjoy my own company and I would go off on long walks in the countryside and go into the woods and, you know, be part of nature, me and nature together type thing. And they would, they would, it was, that was strange. (00:24:41)

[Jonathan Davies] : They, they would, it would be white when, white orbs when they used to follow me around outside in the daylight. But if I went into the forest or the woods, they would change colour to red. That was strange. When I, when I was 13, I, I had an appendicitis incident. I literally collapsed. I was all on my own, miles and miles and miles from home. And I was in the woods and I collapsed on the floor in absolute agony because my appendix was about to burst. And as I'm on the floor in agony, I got surrounded by orbs. (00:25:16)

[Jonathan Davies] : And in, in the woods, like I said, they used to be red, but on this occasion they, I had white orbs, orange orbs, you know, it, it was, and they were all swirling around my head. You know, like I say, they used to follow me around and keep an eye on me. That was the impression I always used to get. It was, it was like they, they turned up to look after me type thing. It was, it was a strange, I don't know how to explain it. (00:25:40)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, what is strange about that though is that I've managed to get home and I, I went to hospital that night and within hours I had my appendix taken out because it was going to burst. And I've never seen those orbs since, those small little orbs, since I only see big orbs now. I see van size, you know, big, big, big orbs, sometimes as big as hot air balloons, huge ones, but never ever see the small one. Chris Bledsoe, he's a friend of yours and mine, he's, he's talked a lot about the small orbs in the trees and they come down to him. (00:26:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I don't get anything like that. I mean, I did when I was a kid, you know, that would literally be, I'd go out on my own bicycle and they would follow me around and they'd be tree height, treetop height at this point. And I could look to my shoulder and I would see them, you know, it'd be a normal thing, or I would see something in the sky that would literally follow me around, you know, if it was dark and I was getting late, late coming home. I would see what some people would, would might think are satellites, but satellites that take right turns, left turns, you know, and stop and shoot off when you, when you, you're basically going into your house, you see them shoot off like we've, we don't need to follow him anymore type thing. (00:27:10)

[Jonathan Davies] : It was, it was quite strange, you know, I don't, I don't get that anymore. That's, that's something that didn't, that seemed to stop as well, thinking about it, but yeah. (00:27:21)

[host - Dave Scott] : We've got two minutes to go before we have to go to break at the bottom of the hour. Jonathan Davies, lifelong experiencer is our guest tonight. John, you know, you have been able to eyewitness many things that the majority of this population on this planet has never seen or experienced. Do you regret having these happenings happen to you, or do you, do you like it because it puts you on a lifelong mission to try and figure out what's going on? We got 90 seconds. (00:27:51)

[Jonathan Davies] : Oh, it's an obsession, Dave. It's a total obsession with me now. I've, you know, I've got to, I've got to the stage that I've got through my work career. I've got my own business and I've, I've, I've got to the stage where I can relax a bit in life. And now I'm, I seem to be totally and utterly obsessed with finding out now where, because it's been pointed out to me that this is very strange and that nobody else can see these things, or a lot, you know, very few people seem to be able to see these things, or they just see something in the sky and they don't have any real interaction. (00:28:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : I've, I've, I've found that I've, I'm obsessed with trying to find out a major experience in 2010. We can talk about a bit later with a landing experience, but that really put me on the track to try and find out what this is and try and finally get some answers. Yeah. (00:28:45)

[host - Dave Scott] : The why me question. That's probably the biggest question out there. And you and I have debated that on the phone. It is the biggest pain in the butt question out there. If you're not an experiencer to try and solve, it's like having a million piece puzzle and all the colored side is facing upside down. There's just no way you're going to solve it. Jonathan Davies is our guest tonight on Spaced Out Radio. Personal experiences, the experiencer speaks as John is a lifelong experiencer talking to us from the United Kingdom this evening. (00:29:23)

[host - Dave Scott] : And when we come back, we're going to find out his first extraterrestrial experience and so much more when we return on Spaced Out Radio. So stay tuned. All right, we're clear, bud. Yep. Good start. (00:29:59)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, it's nice to get it off your chest every now and then. I don't I don't do that many interviews as you know, Dave. (00:30:06)

[host - Dave Scott] : So well, I and I appreciate you doing this with us, man, and appreciate you trusting us. (00:30:12)

[Jonathan Davies] : I enjoy your show. I'm on, you know, I'm always in the chat room and I try and pick up. I mean, some people consider some of the shows The Woo, but that for me now, doing my research, I think that is actually, you know, it's highly relevant that we we do actually look into The Woo. You know, that that seems to be where a lot of this is going at the end of the day. I mean, like I tried to say. (00:30:40)

[Jonathan Davies] : Not ghosts, maybe dimensionals, maybe that's it's all the same thing. That's the way I'm that's where I'm getting with my research in this topic. (00:30:51)

[host - Dave Scott] : No, absolutely, man. You know, and we're going to get into that. And, you know, I already know that I'm going to have to bring you on again for a part two, because we are just. I got to warn you, the problem that I'm having is my audience doesn't know you, so I have to introduce you properly and let you speak. But I've got a million and a half questions running through my mind that I want to talk to you about, because I think there's really two sides of you. There's the experiential side of everything. (00:31:26)

[host - Dave Scott] : And then there is the side where your research has literally taken you to places and to talking to people that not everybody gets the opportunity to speak to. (00:31:41)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. Difficult conversation that part, as you know, Dave. (00:31:47)

[host - Dave Scott] : Well, and I know, I know. You know, I mean, I know you can't name a lot of names and I'm not going to push you on that. The audience will have to trust me when I say you are very, very connected. Very connected. And, you know, we'll skirt around that tonight. But yeah, this is a. There's a lot. There's a lot. And, you know, like we got two hours more and it seems like such a long time, but a show like this is going to fly by and I'm going to be at the end kicking myself in the ass, you know, trying to figure out why didn't I ask that? Why didn't I ask that? (00:32:31)

[host - Dave Scott] : Yeah, I already know that. (00:32:33)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, we chat every day, mate. (00:32:35)

[host - Dave Scott] : So yeah, yeah, we do. That we do. And that's good. That's a good thing. All right. Yeah. I like Chris's comment here. Big up, Jonathan, for being on the show at 5.32 a.m. (00:32:56)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, well, maybe we'll get into my wake up hours and the witching hour. And we chatted a little bit about that yesterday on your show, didn't we? (00:33:07)

[host - Dave Scott] : So yeah, I asked the question for you about 3.33. (00:33:11)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, mine is 3.23 actually. (00:33:15)

[host - Dave Scott] : 3.23? (00:33:16)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, it's a strange one. Everyone else seemed to be 3.33 and I was 3.23, which is strange. (00:33:24)

[host - Dave Scott] : Well, we're going to have some fun here. And like I said, dude, I'm already... my mind is racing so fast right now that I'm trying to bring it on in so I don't lose focus here. (00:33:41)

[Jonathan Davies] : I wouldn't mind getting into talking about Sufon as well, mate. I'm trying to push the guys, you know, push what we're doing in Wales. And yeah, I'm heavily involved in that now. I'm redesigning the website for the Sufon team now. Swansea UFO Network, for any of you listeners who are still tuned in. We've got some major cases, you know, with absolutely huge cases. We've got our own landing cases at schools, the same as Ariel and things like that. (00:34:21)

[host - Dave Scott] : Well, like I said, now we're up to three shows. Oh, God, you're killing me right now. Oh, man. All right, we got 45 seconds. I want to say a big thank you to Laura Smithy x2 for the amazing Super Chats. The Super Chats, everyone, is a great way to support what we do on a nightly basis here on this show. We really do appreciate the love that you all give us with those. So we really appreciate anything that you guys do. (00:34:59)

[host - Dave Scott] : Thank you to all our new listeners who are tuning in for the first time and are checking us out. We don't forget to hit that subscribe button, ring that bell. And if you're looking for SOR swag, go to our website, spacedoutradio.com, click on shop, and it'll take you right there. We've got some great stuff for you. Here we go with the second half hour right now. Second half hour of Spaced Out Radio is underway. (00:35:42)

[host - Dave Scott] : My name is Dave Scott. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us. We really do appreciate earning your listening ears. Want to remind you that if you've missed portions of this show or others, check out our free archives by going to youtube.com forward slash spaced out radio. Do me the favor, hit that subscribe button. Our website is spacedoutradio.com. We have a plethora of features for you, including rocking out to Bumblefoot. Check out our swag and read up on Shirky Poo's Newswire. Follow us on Twitter at Spaced Out Radio and on Instagram, Spaced Out Radio Show. We continue on tonight from the United Kingdom. Jonathan Davies is here, lifelong experiencer, and a man who probably knows too much, even though he can't release much of it. (00:36:30)

[host - Dave Scott] : But that's okay. We love Jon around here. He's a good friend of this show. And Jon, thank you so much for coming on to tell us about your experiences. Thanks, Dave. I want to kick things off with the idea, Jon, that you are someone who, as you've grown in this field from youngster experiencer to where you are today, you're someone who is reluctant for the publicity that many people want or many people desire. You're somebody who really bites your tongue on being public with a lot of the information that you know of. (00:37:09)

[host - Dave Scott] : So why do you try and keep on the down low with everything? (00:37:15)

[Jonathan Davies] : When I spoke earlier about the sort of effect that it had on me when I was in school, you know, my parents were never aware of what was going on with me, Dave. You know, I literally kept it... when I had that bad experience with the other kids in school, I didn't want to speak about it. You know, I literally... it was a bit of an annoyance. It almost wrecked my school life before I went to high school. (00:37:45)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, I lost relationships, friendships. Like I say, it made me a loner. So it's not the sort of thing that I discovered soon on that it's not the sort of thing that you talk about. You know, you keep it... you do keep these some things to yourself and you... I thought it was a bit strange. Why could I see them? Why couldn't others see them? You know, I had a lot of things going on. (00:38:09)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, I've... when I was... again, when I was younger, I would... I'd wake up and I'd be paralyzed with my mouth wide open and unable to breathe, completely unable to breathe. And then I'd feel myself getting lighter and start floating. And I'm feeling like I'm going closer to the ceiling. And then I'd black out and I'd wake up in a room, in a dark room, and I'd have these eyes, not bodies, they didn't have, you know, not even a head, just eyes floating around me, you know, big black bull-like type eyes. And it was... it messes with your head, Dave, you know, because you don't know... you don't know what the hell is going on. (00:38:59)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it is... it's... that was... that was an uncomfortable thing. I mean, that became normal eventually as well, because it was happening, it would happen most nights of the week, you know, and it would go on for months on end, and then it would stop, and then it would start again. Regular. So it makes you... you've got... when you've got things like that going on, it's not the sort of thing you want to talk about. I mean, so it was only... (00:39:48)

[Jonathan Davies] : because in 2010, so I put everything off, I didn't speak to anyone, I got on with my life, I got married, tried to have a normal existence, you know, and I've got great friends that I've had for years and years and years, and they only found out any of this a few years ago, because they saw me... they saw me on social media and said, what's this all about, you know? I have literally kept it all to myself and done my background research myself, read... (00:40:00)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't tend to read that many books on it, to be honest, because what I found was I was... I'm trying to find answers, and if I'm looking at other people's books, you tend to get their answers as opposed to your own, you know? So I prefer to speak to people and to network, and to, you know, I watch the YouTube videos, don't get me wrong, like everyone else does, and I look at what people say, and I read what other experiences are saying, and I try and build a picture myself as opposed to picking up what other people are saying. What was the other part of the question? (00:40:37)

[Jonathan Davies] : Sorry, mate, a bit early in the morning for me. (00:40:39)

[host - Dave Scott] : Yeah, no problem, John. You know, for you, I mean, being reluctant to go public with what you know and the information that you have have come to over the years, we're going to get more into this a little bit later in the show, do you feel that it's better for you to kind of stay on the outskirts with your experiences and with the knowledge you've gained over the last four years? So that way it really helps you focus on learning the ultimate answer to why me? (00:41:13)

[Jonathan Davies] : It's why us, that's where I am now. It's not why me anymore. It's, I'm trying to find answers for us as well as, you know, as well as myself, don't get me wrong. But I've made connections that basically some of the lot of these people will never speak publicly, and the all they are, they might, they might be out there, but they're not, they'll never open up the way they might open up elsewhere to you directly. It's very awkward for a lot of people. (00:41:52)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, it's been awkward for me. I didn't want to come out just because I had a business. I didn't want my business to be affected. You know, you don't want your customers to find out that they're dealing with somebody who might be, you know, the people we get tend to be seen as irrational, you know, you're strange, or you're classed as strange. I mean, this is only in the last few years, since the Nimitz side of things, and the New York Times has basically changed the dialogue and changed how we're seen by people that we can we can actually speak. (00:42:30)

[Jonathan Davies] : And that's the point that when I had a major event in 2010, I'll go into that in a minute, but because I tried to come out then I basically, something really big happened, and I tried to come out and it didn't didn't happen for me. And it was like, the public wasn't ready for it type thing. And not even the UFO community were ready for it type thing. That was the impression I was getting. (00:42:54)

[Jonathan Davies] : But so I waited and I saw the Nimitz articles. And I came that's the point I thought I'll join social media now and I'll start interacting and I'll and see where it takes me, you know, and I'll and that's exactly what I did, you know, and I've been, I am out there a little bit. But it's, I do it for so that I try and find information until I can share it. I mean, I'm learning for myself, yes, but I'm, I'm trying to do it for us. (00:43:27)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, so that we can all get some answers. There's a lot of experiences out there that you haven't been as lucky as me and made the contacts that find out some information behind the scenes. And, and even then, though, Dave, you know, you know what it's like, you find out information. And all that does is is make you need you've got even more questions. This is a very, very difficult, it's a rabbit hole that is a never ending rabbit hole. (00:43:54)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And the rabbit hole is going into new universes now as well. (00:43:59)

[host - Dave Scott] : Before we get into what happened to you, in 2010, do you recall your first interaction with extraterrestrials? (00:44:10)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't really class them as extraterrestrials, even Dave, I mean, I've never really thought of them as, as from another planet, you know, I felt for me, it's like, because they were always been since I was a kid. It's like, they're here. You know, they've never, they've never felt like they've come from somewhere else to be here. They've always felt for me that they are here. And that, you know, I'm glad that the likes of Lou Elizondo started talking about dimensionals, and other dimensions. (00:44:42)

[Jonathan Davies] : And because that's the way I see it. And I think I've always classed it as that I never really, he put words to what my thoughts were, you know, when he when he started saying this, and I started looking into more that side of things, because I've, I've, they just appear wherever you are, you know, that if they were coming from somewhere, if they would come from long distances to get here, like ET, you would think they would take a bit of time to get here. But these things seem to be able to appear instantly, wherever you are. (00:45:12)

[Jonathan Davies] : So I get the impression there, they are, they're surrounding all of us all the time. And that's just for some reason, certain people can see them. I'm not sure why that is, you know, I've no real idea on that. You, you, you guess, and you try and find out why me. But there's, there's no real answers on that one. Because we're also, we're also different. You know, there doesn't seem to be any. (00:45:41)

[host - Dave Scott] : Let me rephrase that, then. What was your first encounter with beings? (00:45:49)

[Jonathan Davies] : With an actual being? I mean, like I say, it was always eyes, as a kid, it was strange, no face, no body, just these eyes, I'd be, I'd be, I'd be led on a table, or I'd led on something in a room, in a dark room, and I'd get, there was just enough light to let me see the glint in these big black, they're not, I mean, if you look at a bull's eyes, they're not a nice eye, you know what I mean? (00:46:16)

[Jonathan Davies] : They look like a crazy, not a nice eye. I mean, next time you're in a field, and you see, you see some cows, have a look at their eyes. It's not, it's not actually pleasant. You know, they're strange. So that was, they would, they would be like circling me. Or if they weren't circling me, they were coming in at different points. You know what I mean? Like, lots of them. (00:46:37)

[Jonathan Davies] : Strange. It's like you're on doctor's table. I mean, you hear people saying they've had things done to them. And well, that is actually how it felt. You know, I did feel that I was in a surgery or something like that, in a hospital, or that's the impression that you get. But it's, it's, it's a little bit uncomfortable, because it's dark, and you can't really tell what's going on. And I've got no memory of anything bad, though. (00:47:02)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, it was literally, it was just unpleasant, because I didn't know what was happening. That was, that was my, maybe, maybe they're being nice to me and letting me, and blanking my, the bad parts for me. I don't know. You know, I'm quite happy, though, if they carry on doing that, because if there is bad things, I don't particularly want to know. (00:47:21)

[host - Dave Scott] : Have you ever found strange marks on your body? (00:47:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, as a kid, I didn't know, though. When I was, when I was young, it's only the last few years, and everyone started saying about triangle marks on their body and bruising and all these things. And it never really occurred to me as a kid, because like I said, it's all been natural. So I would, I was pretty active, even though I didn't, I'd be out on my own, you know, I'd be up trees and falling out of trees and bruising myself and cutting myself and everything that kid, young kids do, I was very active. And so, you know, if I saw things on me, I would associate, I wouldn't really, it didn't really associate them with the other things that were going on. (00:48:05)

[Jonathan Davies] : But I do remember triangular marks on my skin, like puncture marks, like needles. I do remember all that sort of thing. They never seem to stick around for me, though. I've got some people saying that they've got marks and they stuck around for years. I'm not sure about that. You know, because that's not what happened with me. You know, if I, if I saw them, they would, they would be there and they would be there for a week at the most, really. And then they would vanish. (00:48:31)

[Jonathan Davies] : I haven't had, I haven't had any marks like that for years. I've got friends now that are, that have got marks. And they're ongoing, you know, they still get these marks. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I get, I'll talk about that, that 3.23am thing, because I went through, I went through a period of, or a year, at least a year, I suddenly started waking up at 3.23am. And I'm like, to start with the first week, I didn't even look at the time, to be honest, Dave, I was like, what the hell? (00:49:07)

[Jonathan Davies] : What's the matter with my sleeping all of a sudden? You know, why can't I sleep anymore? And then I noticed the clock, 3.23am. And then the next day, I looked at the clock again, 3.23am. And it went on and on and on. But what was happening was I was getting, waking up, and I would have this ringing type, not a ringing, but like a strange sound in my head. I've got it right now. (00:49:30)

[Jonathan Davies] : Okay. I can, I can literally bring it on now. Now, and if I talk about it, it becomes, okay, which is strange as well. But anyway, I suddenly started noticing this ringing in my head. And I would have a heavy nosebleed. I had never had a nosebleed in my life. Okay, up until the point that this all started happening. And so I'd wake at 3.23am, I'd have this ringing, I'd suddenly, I'd get up, because I was gonna, I knew I was gonna have a nosebleed. And I'd, I'd be up from that point. (00:50:01)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I'd have this massive nosebleed, and literally a huge nosebleed, it just wouldn't stop, it would go on and on and on. And this went on for a year. And I actually said about it on UFO Twitter, I was like, is anyone else getting this, waking up at 3.23am and getting this strange sound in their head? And it's intense now, Dave, I can't, I wish I could explain how it sounds, you know? (00:50:24)

[host - Dave Scott] : Is it like a high-pitched tinnitus? (00:50:27)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, I mean, people say that to me. But how do you bring that on whenever you just talking about it? And how is it that I never had this up until the point I was waking up at 3.23am and getting these nosebleeds? Doesn't really make any sense. You know, I never had this noise before in my head. I'd never had the nosebleeds before. I'd never woken up at every single night the same, down to the second. It was crazy. (00:50:54)

[host - Dave Scott] : Have you tried asking them to turn it down? No, I don't do anything like that. (00:50:59)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't really try and interact with them. (00:51:04)

[host - Dave Scott] : If you do say, can you turn it down, please? They will turn it down. (00:51:08)

[Jonathan Davies] : Oh my God, Dave. I've just thought in my head, turn it down and it's gone. I'm not joking. That's nuts. Okay. (00:51:21)

[host - Dave Scott] : Because I used to get that when I was having most of my major experiences. I know the exact ringing you're talking about, where all of a sudden, like I have tinnitus, and my ears are always ringing. But this is different. It's kind of like a deafening tinnitus, where the sound all of a sudden overtakes everything. And my mentor Pascal said, just ask him to turn it down. And he'll turn it down. (00:51:47)

[Jonathan Davies] : Something I noticed when this all started happening as well, I suddenly was able to start speaking to anyone I wanted to speak to. That's a hard one to explain. It was like people that there was no way on the planet that you would be able to speak to, because I'm a nobody. I'm a guy living in Wales. I'm not involved in the intelligence community, or the government, or the military, or anything like this. And so why would people want to speak to me? (00:52:17)

[Jonathan Davies] : But all of a sudden, I would send a question to somebody, and I would just get speaking to them, and they would open up. Very strange. And it was all at this point, I would seem to know who I needed to contact. And it would just lead on, and on, and on. The coincidences, the synchronicities from it were just crazy. It was like, oh, I spoke to that person, and then somebody else would pop into my head, you need to speak to this person. I would go looking for them, and they would immediately start speaking to me. (00:52:53)

[Jonathan Davies] : No reason why they should, but they did. And I've just come to the conclusion now that whatever was going on at that, the 323 moment, and the nosebleeds, or whatever it was going on, was meant, and that something had been done to me to allow me to do this sort of thing. I don't know. It's strange, and it's very hard to explain. But it's happened. You know. (00:53:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : You're able to speak to some of the people now that I speak to as well. Okay. Let's put it that way. (00:53:36)

[host - Dave Scott] : And I appreciate you setting me up with that. I really do. We got about five minutes to go here before we have to go to break at the top of the hour. Jonathan Davies, lifelong experiencer, is our guest tonight. John, did you ever have the ability to summon craft? (00:53:54)

[Jonathan Davies] : No. No. I hear it. Chris Bledsoe says he knows when something is outside, to go outside with his camera, or to look up, and he knows when they go in. I spoke to Damien Knott in Australia, an experiencer, Damien Knott. I interviewed him on my own. I've got my own podcast, as you know, Dave. I interviewed him, and he was saying he gets this feeling when to go outside and when to start filming, and they tend to turn up when he gets this feeling. And he said the feeling is like, say you're in a supermarket, and you know that somebody is behind you, and they're looking at you. (00:54:38)

[Jonathan Davies] : And if you turn around, you see this person is looking at you. He said that is the sort of sensation that he gets. I haven't really spoken to Chris about the sort of sensation he got. Have you spoken to him about that, Dave? Because it's not something that I get. I mean, I literally just see them. You know, I go outside, and I'm taking a post. I've got a post box just outside of my house. (00:55:01)

[Jonathan Davies] : I take the post out, and I look up, and there they are. You know, if I go outside, and I intentionally take a camera outside to video them or whatever, they won't turn up. You know? It's quite amusing. (00:55:17)

[host - Dave Scott] : Amazing how they know that. (00:55:18)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, it's quite amusing. I mean, but if I haven't got the camera with me, and I've just taken my dogs out, and I'm sat on the bench outside my house, and I just glance up, there they are. You know, it's strange. It's strange. I don't really understand whether you're in some sort of relaxed sort of frame of mind, and you just see them at that point. I don't know. (00:55:41)

[Jonathan Davies] : Or they just... I mean, they're comical with some of the things they do, you know, in my home. You know, they are literally tricksters. I do know that they've taken things, you know, and I find it amusing. I don't find it... sometimes it's annoying, because if you're trying to... because I work from home, and you're trying to grab something you need for your business, you know, and it's not there, and it's always kept in the same spot, and yet it's not there. It's like... it's annoying sometimes, but I do giggle. (00:56:17)

[Jonathan Davies] : It's, come on, put it back. That's basically what I say. You know, come on, put it back. And I literally go make a coffee, and guess what? I come back, and there it is. You know, it's exactly the same spot. You know? (00:56:30)

[host - Dave Scott] : You are one haunted individual. You really are. And I think it's awesome. I really do. Do you regret any of your experiences? Or let me rephrase that. Have you had, as we got about two minutes to go, have you had experiences that have been of the nightmarish variety? (00:56:51)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. I haven't been to bed for nearly a year. And that's a longer one. If we... I can start us off on it, if you like, Dave, before you break. So I'm in bed, and the usual paralysis that I used to get as a kid happened about a year ago. And I literally wake, and I cannot breathe. I've woken because my breath has been taken from me. You know, I have no air at all, and my body can't move. (00:57:21)

[Jonathan Davies] : I can only move my eyes. Sorry. (00:57:25)

[host - Dave Scott] : Are you okay? (00:57:27)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. So I'm literally laid in bed. And my wife has a light on because she can't sleep at night, and my daughter's the same. She's got to have a light, a little lamp on as well. So there's a little light in the room, and I can see what's going on. So I wake. I can't move. I literally just move my eyes. My mouth is wide open as far as it could possibly be. (00:57:52)

[Jonathan Davies] : And right next to my face, there is a female entity floating above my face with long, long black hair, you know, ridiculously long black hair, stupid seven foot long type black hair, you know, literally floating as if it's in like a water or I don't know. And this, this thing is horrendous. It's like a hag with massive eyes. And it's an inch from my face. And I don't know what she was doing. (00:58:25)

[Jonathan Davies] : But she was seriously pissed off, Dave, that I had woken and caught her. She gave me a look of absolute hate. And she's literally starts floating, floating, floating away from me and gets literally to the end of my bed and just pop, just gone. And as soon as she's gone, I can move. I can breathe. You know, I take a scream. My dog is in the bedroom because he won't sleep downstairs. And my dog will bark at everything and doesn't murmur. (00:59:02)

[Jonathan Davies] : My wife, even though I've screamed, doesn't wake. And I've screamed the house down, you know, it was literally an act you could not have screamed louder type thing. Okay. And I've, I've literally got up and I've checked the house because it scared me. And I wanted to make sure this thing was out of my house. And there's nothing in the house. And this chair I'm sitting in there, Dave, I haven't been to bed since. (00:59:25)

[host - Dave Scott] : Let's finish it after the break. If you don't mind. Jonathan Davies, lifelong experiencer, talking to us tonight on Spaced Out Radio from Wales in the United Kingdom. We'll be back with more Spaced Out Radio and Jonathan's stories when we come back. All right, we're clear. Hi, Flippity. Nice to have you back. And Reptilean Overlord. Welcome. Your story. I didn't have any, I've never experienced that. That would freak the living crap out of me. (01:00:13)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, it's never, never been, never been a bad thing. This, what's been going on. I've never perceived it as bad, Dave. So it was, that was very unpleasant, you know, and it put a different slant on things for me. (01:00:28)

[host - Dave Scott] : I want to save that for the radio side of things. I remember, oh geez, it was about a year and a bit ago. I fell asleep in bed. I was the only, only one in the house. Everyone else was on vacation. And I fell asleep in my house and I woke up about 3, 3.30 or something along those lines. And you know that feeling when you have grays around? (01:01:03)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. (01:01:04)

[host - Dave Scott] : And I felt like there was a gray running down my hallway. Like I have this blue nightlight in our hallway that illuminates the hallway. And it's very easy on the eyes, but if you pass it, it goes, it's like got a sensor on it that, that moves it a little bit, that brightens it a little bit when it's darker or tones it down when it's darker. But if somebody moves in front of it, it lights up. (01:01:34)

[host - Dave Scott] : And I knew both my dogs were in my room sleeping. And cause I had one on the bed, one on the floor. And I felt like there was, I saw the light flicker. I woke up and I saw that light flicker. So I was thinking, okay, is it the cats? But it was that, it was that timid fear that I had, man, that if I got up and went out there, I would see something that would absolutely freak me out. And I just knew, and I, and I moved, I remember moving more into the middle of the bed in order to, you know, and I kind of put my blanket over my head and I was looking down the hall just to see if they were coming back or if it was coming back. (01:02:18)

[host - Dave Scott] : And the brave side of me was like, oh, just, just go, go out there, go out there. And the chicken shit side of me was like, nope, not doing it. Not going there. Don't want to do it. Hey, Behoff, how you doing? Good to see you. Who else has arrived here? Nicole Perron or Perron, your choice. And... (01:02:42)

[Jonathan Davies] : How long we got, Dave? (01:02:44)

[host - Dave Scott] : Right now we have about three and a half minutes, four minutes. (01:02:48)

[Jonathan Davies] : Okay, just going to go to the toilet. (01:02:50)

[host - Dave Scott] : There you go. Told you this one would get real tonight. This is fantastic. Oh, hey, Clam. Pronos, how you doing? Good to see you. Oh, Advocate, you'll continue listening. Oh, I agree with you, Stone Hobbit. I agree with you. I'm going to get through this story with him and then I'm going to kind of turn the jets around and kind of change the direction of the show here. Hi, gorgeous Teresa. How are you? (01:04:44)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't need to scare anyone. Sorry. (01:05:09)

[host - Dave Scott] : No, hey, this is your reality, my friend. This is your reality. Hi, Virgil. How are you? We got about one minute here. (01:05:19)

[Jonathan Davies] : No worries. I think this is normal for us guys. I don't think there's any need for us to be scared. You know, I'm trying to... part of the reason I'm not going back to bed is because I want this thing to turn up when I... you know, that I'm... when my wife is not there, so they're not scared. My wife and daughter, I don't want it near them, but I'm quite happy for it to turn up again so I can have a chat. (01:05:46)

[host - Dave Scott] : All right. I want to say a big thank you to GFGFG, Greg x2, Smithy x2, Laura and Chris for the amazing Super Chats. It's a great way to support this show on a nightly basis and we really appreciate it. If you're new here, do us a favor, hit that subscribe button, ring that bell. It really helps out. Thank you to all the veterans tuning in. Don't forget you can do some shopping on our website, spacedoutradio.com forward slash shop. Here comes Bumblefoot. Here is our number two of Spaced Out Radio tonight. (01:06:38)

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[host - Dave Scott] : Use it wisely Space Travelers as the clam sets the password each and every night right here on Spaced Out Radio. Our website is spacedoutradio.com. We have a plethora of features for you including rocking out to Bumblefoot. Check out our swag and read up on Shirky Poo's Newswire. Follow us on Twitter at Spaced Out Radio and on Instagram Spaced Out Radio Show. We continue on tonight with lifelong experiencer Jonathan Davies and you can follow him on Twitter at I Want to Know. Very simply. (01:07:46)

[host - Dave Scott] : It's very simple. And John is going to get into this story where right before the break he had some sort of banshee wake him up in the middle of the night and that really, really freaked him out. (01:07:57)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, I mean your guest last night, I'm struggling to remember her name. She was really good and she was talking about banshees. Yeah, really good. And I never really considered that that entity as a that, you know, that female entity that I saw as a banshee. But, you know, like I said earlier on, people misinterpret experiences and contact experiences. Maybe that wasn't a female entity at all. Maybe that was something completely different and I was labeling it as, you know, giving it an iconography that I could accept, you know. (01:08:39)

[Jonathan Davies] : Maybe it was something so wild that, you know, I had to give it a label. I had to give it an icon. I had to give it a... it was a female. It was the less threatening of the species for a man. Do you understand what I mean? Yeah. So I'm not really sure. I mean, I don't know what that was. You know, the fact that it just literally vanished in front of me. I don't know. (01:09:03)

[Jonathan Davies] : There are Celtic myths of a female that get seen in Wales in particular, which is the ancient part of Wales and Scotland, obviously the Celtic side of things. And, you know, we've got stone circles and we've got the history here is absolutely crazy, you know, and the Lord of the Rings, you know, was based on Wales. You know, the Hobbits were based on Wales. I don't think people realise that because the film was made in New Zealand because they had the scenery, you know, they've got the great scenery, but it was all based on Wales and the myths that are here are crazy. You know, and I think a lot of that got taken when people emigrated to America and all these stories got taken over there as well. (01:09:53)

[Jonathan Davies] : And, you know, but it's all part of the old glands, you know, and these are the old glands. Our house is hundreds of years old, you know, it's crazy. (01:10:07)

[host - Dave Scott] : 2010, you wanted to talk about this story, what happened there? (01:10:14)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, so I'm living at that point in another part of Wales called just not far from Swansea, which is very active, the most active place in the United Kingdom, okay, for UFOs, more get seen in that part of the UK than anywhere else. So that's that's Wales, basically. So I'm living in an area called the Gower, which is a coastal area with beaches is stunning nature reserve type area. I did like a barn conversion on the coast, just had a daughter. (01:10:49)

[Jonathan Davies] : She's two years old. And I'm working from that location as well. That was my business location. And it's literally right on the coast on the on the by an estuary. And I'm on top of a hill, looking down onto the estuary with no nothing between me and the beautiful view. Yeah. So I'm sat downstairs is the seventh of October 2010. And my daughter is with me, my wife's upstairs having a shower. And my daughter goes over to the conservatory windows. (01:11:23)

[Jonathan Davies] : And she's not speaking very much at that point, two years old, she does, you know, if you're speaking, but not no big words or anything. And she looks outside and she points. And she says, bright. And I thought, that's a good word. And I start going over to the window, and I see what she's looking at. And my neighbour to my left, going down the hill, had tennis courts and right by the top right hand corner of the tennis court is an orange orb. A very large orange orb, you know, a size of a very large van. (01:11:53)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it's just sat there next to the tree. As when I say an orange orb, anyone doesn't realise that they look like the sun. But say for just so you can picture on this, they look the sun, but this at night, and obviously nowhere near the same sort of size as the sun. And for some reason, they don't hurt your eyes when you look at them, even though they're very bright. Okay, so this thing is just sat next to the tree. (01:12:18)

[Jonathan Davies] : I'm just watching it, thinking that's a bit closer than normal. You know, when I see these things, they don't tend to get that close. You know, this was a very large orb. And so it just sat there. And all of a sudden, it just shoots like blink and you miss it type speed, shoots downwards. Remember, I'm on the top of the hill into the estuary. It's about half a mile, it's shot, but because it's directly in line with me, I'm literally looking down on it. (01:12:48)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, so it shoots down to the ground. And it's so fast, I think, oh my god, I think it's crashed. Okay, well, I've never seen these things move at that type of speed. Normally, they just sort of mosey along for me, and let me see them for as long as I want to see them. Okay, but this thing was like, boom, and it shot to the ground. And as soon as it got to the ground, they were like massive flashes of bright colors coming from it all different, like boom in your face, that would they would like, blind you type flashes, they were huge. (01:13:21)

[Jonathan Davies] : And they seemed to be directed to me or my direction, where I was living. And this, all these different colors were going on. And I'm thinking, what the hell, I've never seen them do this before. This is new. And this is going on, Dave. And then another object appears on over the opposite coastline, which is Flannery and Burryport, the towns of Flannery and Burryport. And this cloud level, okay, so this, you couldn't see the stars, this cloud, this thing now is coming in, it's like a very large moon, I can see it getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And it gets right above the town and directly opposite me and between this object that's on the ground, making all these flashes. (01:14:01)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it just sits there, it's like, it's like a white with a green tinge and a bluey green tinge. And just sit there, it's like it's watching what's going on or keeping an eye on what's going on. Okay. And as I'm watching that, and I'll carry on watching this object on the ground thinking what's going on, I've opened the window, there's no sound at all. I can hear all of a sudden the sound of a Chinook helicopter to my right, inland. (01:14:28)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I can hear it coming closer and closer. And I can see two lights, they're not flashing, it's a red and a white light. And this thing is very low, and I can hear it coming in like a big, massive military Chinook helicopter. And I start thinking to myself, oh, have I got this wrong? Is this not, you know, what I normally see? Is this something that, you know, maybe this is an accident or something, or this is a military thing that's going on? And so I watch this Chinook helicopter get closer and closer and closer, and I'm fascinated what's going to happen next. (01:15:01)

[Jonathan Davies] : It gets all the way up to the object on the ground, there's a light that passes between them, and the helicopter vanished. Totally vanished, okay, including the sound. And the sound now is very loud, because it's the only sound I can hear. There's no other sound, you know, outside at all when the window is wide open, and it's just gone. But I can hear it again, and it's gone all the way back miles away, inland again. And the same thing happens over and over again, a repeating cycle of this helicopter just coming in, the light passes between them, it's got louder and louder every time it's come in, vanish. (01:15:41)

[Jonathan Davies] : Nine times, eight or nine times, this must have happened. Okay, this object on the ground now is turned blue. Okay, so an orange orb, I've never heard of an orange orb turning blue before, but the flashing lights have all stopped. It's no longer orange, and it's now blue, like a turquoise blue, and it looks like a craft. Okay, and it's just sat on the ground, not doing anything. So the helicopter thing has gone on, and this is over the period of space of an hour. (01:16:13)

[Jonathan Davies] : It's not a short, it happened and it's gone. No, this is going on and on and on and on. My wife is upstairs still in the shower. I've run down the bottom of my house where my office was, and I've grabbed my big pair of coastal binoculars, and I've grabbed a brand new camera that I just bought for my business to take product pictures, literally just bought two days previously, never used it. So I grabbed the camera, it's literally in the box, I take it up, I put batteries in it, because I tested it when it turned up, and I start snapping away. (01:16:49)

[Jonathan Davies] : So I've taken loads and loads and loads of pictures. Weirdly, the best pictures never came out, you know, they never, they were just black. I've still got the black pictures where there's nothing on the picture, which never made any sense to me, because it was like, oh, wow, take a picture, you know, and there's nothing there, it's strange. But lots of the pictures are quite strange. And I can share those with you, maybe John Hudson can put some in the description and some links or something, so people can see them. (01:17:19)

[Jonathan Davies] : So I've got my binoculars, the flashing is still going on, and it's blinding me. So I'm literally going, wow, and taking the binoculars away from my eyes, because they're so bright, you know, and I'm snapping away. And then to my left. Sorry, at that point, I went upstairs and grabbed my wife at the shower, because I wanted another witness, because I knew something strange was going on. And because, you know, I may not have shared all this with other people in my life, but my daughter has just seen it, I'm seeing it, I've got pictures. (01:17:50)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I know this is all finally, maybe I can bring somebody else in on this, you can say, yes, I saw it as well. So I go upstairs, I grab my wife, who I've never spoken to about this at that point. And I drag her out the shower, and I take it to the window and say, look at that with the binoculars. And she's no interest in this topic at all. I've learned after that night, you know, she was disinterested then and she was annoyed that I was dragging her out the shower, you know. (01:18:17)

[Jonathan Davies] : So she's looking at this thing through the binoculars. And her response is, oh, yeah, that's strange. That was it. Okay, but I've got a witness, and she would say she saw it if she was ever put on the spot, you know, to say that she saw all this going on as well. So I'm back downstairs, I carry on taking pictures. And then all of a sudden, another object comes in from the sea that I hadn't noticed, because I was looking to the right of this helicopter incident. And it's an emerald green object, very low. (01:18:47)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it comes right up to the object that's on the ground that's landed, the blue object now. And all of a sudden, there's a big flash of light that wraps itself around the blue object. Like, imagine the Star Trek with the tractor beam. That's exactly the sort of thing that happened. You know, this light comes from it. It wraps itself around the blue object, and they start moving out to sea. And as soon as that happened, the helicopter vanished and never returned. (01:19:16)

[Jonathan Davies] : And the big white object that had been on the opposite coastline vanished and never returned. And literally for 10 minutes, I'm watching these two objects go out to sea. So I've no idea what happened. I phoned the police, because I'm thinking something major has happened. Maybe I should report this, you know. And I phoned the police, and the police say, no, nobody else has said anything. Nobody else has reported anything. (01:19:42)

[Jonathan Davies] : It's nothing to do with us. It's not a police helicopter. But keep us informed. I mean, Dave, for weeks on end, they were phoning me up out to the blue and just saying, oh, it's the local police station here. I'm just interested in that case you told us about. Have you heard anything? Okay. So I was like, I hadn't heard anything, because I'll tell you about that now in a moment. (01:20:07)

[host - Dave Scott] : But... John, I want to ask you one quick question about that. When you report something like that to the UK police, do they turn those reports over to the UK government? (01:20:18)

[Jonathan Davies] : They used to. They used to always go to the Ministry of Defence. But they basically shut that office. Or they say they've shut that office. Okay. They say they no longer do it. It's like blue book. Well, we no longer do it because these are not real. Remember? Yes. Same sort of thing. (01:20:36)

[host - Dave Scott] : Okay. Because here in Canada, every RCMP report goes to NORAD. (01:20:42)

[Jonathan Davies] : Oh, really? Oh, interesting. Yeah, interesting. I mean, I do freedom of information requests now for other cases that I look at. And you see the responses you get back from the police, oh, we no longer keep records on these sort of things. And, you know, they're very, very crafty. Very, very crafty. I'm sure it all still goes on. But not face to face with the public. I think they basically take military reports and keep, you know, files on those. (01:21:15)

[Jonathan Davies] : Anything to do with the public, they'll just fob you off. No, we no longer look into this. We don't think it's a threat. You know, so we don't bother keeping records. And that's how they get away with it in the UK. (01:21:30)

[host - Dave Scott] : Gotcha. Now, with everything that's going on, now that your daughter is seeing this, and you're seeing this, the police are calling you for updates. Did you think you were a target of sorts for information on what was going on? (01:21:47)

[Jonathan Davies] : I'll just carry on with what happened then. I mean, it didn't end, Dave. It didn't end. It was like, okay, so that night, I phoned the police, and I didn't get anywhere with the police. The next day, I'm like, my God, I've got to find out what this was. You know, I'm thinking this, all these massive flashes of lights and helicopters would have attracted a lot of attention. I was thinking everyone must have seen it. (01:22:10)

[Jonathan Davies] : But there was nothing on the news that night. There was nothing on the radio. So the next day, I'm in my office, I do my bit of work, and I've got to phone some people. So I start phoning around. I phoned the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard said to me, it was nothing to do with us. We weren't doing an operation that night, but tried the English Coast Guard in Cornwall, because they sometimes come up here and do operations, but we doubt it, you know, because at the time of night, this was all going on. This was all like between eight and nine in the evening, you know. (01:22:38)

[Jonathan Davies] : So everything's finished at that point. People have finished work, you know. So I phoned them. No, there's nothing to do with us. I phoned the fire brigade because I thought, well, if this thing had crashed, you know, who knows? Maybe somebody's reported something as well to them. No, nothing to do with us. On the opposite coastline to me, there's a military base, RAF Pembury. I phoned them up, and they were really shitty with me on the phone, basically, and said, look, we shut at five o'clock. (01:23:04)

[Jonathan Davies] : This has nothing to do with us. Stop wasting our time, you know. That was the sort of response I had from them. Didn't get anywhere. But while I'm sitting there, having, you know, going through this, I noticed that there were black vans at out on the point where this thing had landed, Dave. It was basically my view from my office, exactly the spot where this thing had landed, okay. So every day I knew exactly where it landed because I would look at that same view every single day. (01:23:34)

[Jonathan Davies] : So I'm looking out the window now, and I hadn't noticed them travel out there, but there were two black vans parked out on the marshes. There's like a track that goes out from the local castle that the local farmer uses. He keeps his sheep out there. I've never in two years of living there, I'd seen anyone else out on that track apart from the local farmer tending his sheep, okay. So this was very unusual. (01:24:01)

[Jonathan Davies] : Very next day to see two black vans parked, and there were three or four men. I don't know whether it was four because they kept on moving between the vans, and they were literally wandering the area where this thing had landed, and they looked like they were using metal detectors or something else, you know. I don't know. I left my camera, my binoculars at the top of the house, and I was too busy to go up and get them to be honest with you. It didn't click with me. (01:24:27)

[Jonathan Davies] : I knew it was strange whatever was going on, but I was still in the middle of my work day, if you like, and I'd already not been doing my work because I'd been phoning up all these different people, you know, trying to get answers. And so it didn't occur to me, I kick myself now that I didn't take pictures of them because people say, oh, that sounds like men in black, or that sounds like, you know, a cleanup operation taking place or something like that, you know. You hear about metals being dropped or white powders being seen in these areas, and maybe these guys were coming in as a cleanup, you know, and I think that myself now, I don't know. (01:25:00)

[Jonathan Davies] : But anyway, I didn't find out who they were. I'll go on to that in a minute. I went down the hill and walked to see if I could speak to some of my neighbors. I'd be honest, I'm a bit of a loner, so I didn't really know my neighbors. And the area is like a touristy area where people come in at certain times of year during the summer holidays, you know, and use the houses as a tourist houses type thing, so they're not always there. But I did get to see two people, one person I had seen before, so he obviously lived in the village, and he hadn't seen anything, which amazed me because of the sound of the helicopter was really loud, you know. (01:25:40)

[Jonathan Davies] : How can you not be thinking what's going on out there, you know? We lived in the middle of nowhere, so this was a big noise like this. You'd open your curtains and have a look, you know, but he didn't. And I took my laptop with me because I transferred all the pictures from my camera onto my laptop, and I showed him, and he was like, oh wow, I can't believe I've missed this, you know. But he didn't see anything, and for me it was more frustration that he hadn't seen anything. (01:26:05)

[Jonathan Davies] : I saw a lady in her garden, but she must have been the tourist. She hadn't seen anything either. You know, they'd been having a meal, and they hadn't bothered. They hadn't heard anything. I just couldn't believe it, you know. These massive flashes of colour. How could they not have seen this? All this noise, nothing. I mean, I went to, when I don't know, about a week afterwards, I went to the local garage, and there was nobody in there, Dave, and I thought I'll ask the lady in there, maybe somebody's reported seeing something. Nobody, oh yeah, tourists. (01:26:37)

[Jonathan Davies] : They said a tourist was in earlier the week, and they saw strange flashes out on the marsh. But they were tourists, Dave, so they'd gone, and I've got no way of contacting them, you know. It was beyond frustrating. I went to the local castle. I used the excuse to my wife, we've never been to the local castle, and that's where the track went out. These vans must have used to get out there. (01:26:59)

[Jonathan Davies] : There's a gate, a locked gate, and they must have used that track. So, I thought, we'll go to the castle. I can have a chance of speaking to the local farmer, because he ran the castle. So, we go to the castle. We have a look around the castle as quick as possible, because my motive was to speak to this farmer, okay. And there's like a marquee or something up, I seem to remember, where there was a coffee shop, and there was, again, there was a lady in there, and I said to the lady, do I speak to the farmer? And they were just behind me. (01:27:27)

[Jonathan Davies] : There's a guy sat at the table. It turned out he was the farmer. I couldn't believe my luck. And I told him what had happened. I said, look, who were these guys that you let out onto the tracks the very next day? And he looks at me with a puzzled expression and says, I've never let anyone out on that track. And he said, in fact, come with me. And he takes me and my wife. (01:27:49)

[Jonathan Davies] : We walk down the hill from the castle. We get to the gate to this road that leads out onto the marshes. And on the gate is clearly marked private property, no entry, and it's padlocked up with a rusty old lock that doesn't seem like it's ever been opened. And I start thinking, what the hell? How the hell, who are these guys? When I talk about misinterpretation, and I get the impression that these things, and I'm pretty certain that these things basically can manifest as anything, Dave. So maybe these weren't black vans at all. (01:28:27)

[Jonathan Davies] : And my perception had been altered to make me think that they're black vans. Because how did these people get out there if the farmer didn't let them out there? Doesn't make any sense. I mean, that story got told to Lou Elizondo, by the way. And Lou Elizondo basically said, maybe my perceptions had been altered. You know, maybe I was misinterpreting things. Okay, just so you're aware. (01:28:51)

[host - Dave Scott] : When we come back from the break here at the bottom of the hour, John, I want to turn the corner with you because I have a lot of people asking questions about, you know, the government side, the day to day UFO topic that that is the other part of your story that you were highly involved with on a social media side and a very private side as well. And I want to ask some questions regarding that. (01:29:20)

[host - Dave Scott] : Because you are, I think, one of the best kept secrets in ufology, in what you know. And we're going to see what little bit of dripping we can get from John. And the information that he has. Jonathan Davies, lifelong experiencer, continues with us on Spaced Out Radio next. We got five minutes, buddy. (01:29:54)

[Jonathan Davies] : There's a lot more to that story still, Dave. It went on for days. (01:30:00)

[host - Dave Scott] : We can finish the story if you want. (01:30:03)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, it is pretty wild. Some of the things that went on after that. (01:30:08)

[host - Dave Scott] : My goodness, do you want to continue it after the break? Or do you want to, you can give it now if you want. (01:30:15)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, I mean, basically, so that was the next day I saw the black vans. I went down to see the neighbours. Didn't get anywhere. Total frustration. I phoned Nick Pope. I saw an article. I was wondering who the hell can I speak to, you know. And I saw some article by Nick Pope and I got in contact with him by email and I sent him all my pictures. And I said, tell me what the hell I've seen. (01:30:42)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, what was this? Because I'm thinking he's got access to radar and he can tell me exactly what was going on. And very naively at that time still, you know, because I tried to step away from the topic because it had been, you know, something that I've been trying to have a normal existence. And then I've been thrust back into it after all these years with a massive event again. But I contacted him and I sent him everything and he came back to me straight away and he said, intriguing pictures, very interesting. (01:31:14)

[Jonathan Davies] : But unfortunately, I'm no longer involved with the Ministry of Defence and I don't have the access to look into this for you. You know, and that was as far as I got. He told me to go to Bufora, which is like Suphon, not Suitphone, as I was, Mufon. And basically tell them, you know, see if they know anything. Well, I did that and I never heard anything from this Bufora in the UK, you know, they never got back to me at all. So that was another dead end. (01:31:46)

[Jonathan Davies] : I went on the internet and at that time there weren't that many places to post things. I found a website called ATS, above top secret. And yeah, so I went on there and that was a huge mistake. I basically sent my pictures. I told what happened and I had people telling me, oh, that's a streetlight mate, when they saw the orange picture of the Orb. And I'm like, what are you talking about? That's the middle of an estuary. (01:32:15)

[Jonathan Davies] : There's no streetlights in the middle of an estuary, you know? And you try and explain and I showed them the GPS coordinates, go on Google Earth, I was saying to them and you'll see exactly where all this happened. I'm on the coast, there's no street lights apart from on the, you know, miles to the other side of the coast. You can see streetlights there, but not in the middle of the estuary. That was a complete waste of time. (01:32:36)

[Jonathan Davies] : So what happened then? I was out cutting my grass, Dave. I was going to cut my grass. My wife had gone to town and I had this robot lawnmower and I'm taking it across my drive to get to my grass. And I glanced to my left and that emerald object that had come in from the sea and rescued this object on the ground is now coming towards my house. Okay, very low, only like a hundred or foot above my house type thing. (01:33:04)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it literally comes in, it comes right above my house and stops. Okay. Yeah. And it's understood there in mouth open type thing, looking at it. I've never seen one of these emeralds ones up close. And it's like panels of light shifting, like shape shifting around like an emerald, emerald color, emerald shape, jewel type object. And it just sat there, not doing anything, not a sound, no, no, I didn't get any feeling from it. You know, some people say they get a vibrational feeling and things like this. (01:33:37)

[Jonathan Davies] : I never get anything like that. But then all of a sudden it just shoots straight down the length of my house, right, right out into the middle of the estuary. It gets into the middle of the estuary, takes an immediate 90 degree, straight out, boom, out into the sea, like shoot straight out and then straight left, no banking like a plane. And as I'm watching this and it goes into like a pinprick size, and I can still see it going out into the distance out to sea, there's a roar behind the back of my head. And it's two fighter jets come swooping in very low over the top of my house, low enough to damage my roof. (01:34:18)

[Jonathan Davies] : That's how low they were. Okay, I'm on the floor now, Dave, I've chucked myself on top of the lawnmower. And I'm just looking up at these fighter jets banking, taking the same track, and they follow this object out to sea. I've got no witness, my wife's gone to town. You know, I can't believe this, you know, it's like the year we go again type thing. I look on the news again, there's nothing on the news. (01:34:42)

[Jonathan Davies] : There's nothing on the radio. I thought I'm not gonna waste my time asking if anyone else has seen this. I'm not going down to see the neighbors again. I'm already feeling foolish that I, you know, I'm the only one that had seen something the other day. And I mean, it carries on from this as well, David, wasn't there was another day, the next day again, something else happened. (01:35:00)

[host - Dave Scott] : That's incredible, dude. I want to say a big thank you to Spooky, to GFG, Greg x2, Chris, Laura, and Smithy for the amazing super chats. It's a wonderful way to support what we do on this show on a nightly basis. Thank you to all our new subscribers who are tuning us in. Let's rock right now. We passed the halfway point of Spaced Out Radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us. (01:35:47)

[host - Dave Scott] : We really do appreciate your listening ears. Want to remind you that if you miss portions of this show or others, check out our free archives by going to youtube.com forward slash Spaced Out Radio. Do me the favor, hit that subscribe button. Our website is spaced out radio.com, where we have a plethora of features for you, including rocking out to Bumblefoot and reading up on Captain Shirk's SOR Newswire. Follow us on Twitter at Spaced Out Radio and on Instagram Spaced Out Radio Show. We continue on tonight with Jonathan Davies. He is a lifelong experiencer out of Wales in the United Kingdom, and he is sharing his stories and knowledge with us tonight. (01:36:30)

[host - Dave Scott] : John, welcome back. (01:36:32)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, great to be here again, man. (01:36:34)

[host - Dave Scott] : All right. I have a question from Greg here, who is asking, do you think the UK government is as secretive as the United States on UAPs? Does the UK downplay it like the US? Yet it seems the US is opening its door by citizen demand. (01:36:51)

[Jonathan Davies] : Far worse. Far, far worse. I mean, the secrecy basically that America learned how to do in the CIA and everything else came from Britain. You know, they were taught by the British how to be secret. We taught the world how to be secret and how to keep secrets. And we're best at it. There's no two ways about it. The UK media is completely controlled. They do not talk about this topic, or if they do talk about it, it is with the X-Files music and the derogatory, oh, we found a bus on the moon and stupid, stupid things get pushed over here to make us look like crazies. And nothing is really changing. (01:37:41)

[Jonathan Davies] : I hear that Lou Elizondo is coming over in the next week or so to the UK. I don't know what he's doing, or I've got hints of what he's doing, but I won't be saying what I think he's doing. But hopefully, things are going to change. Not at the moment. (01:38:02)

[host - Dave Scott] : You know what? It's the same thing here in Canada, where the Canadian government really has this idea that if we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist. So far, the Canadian government has been absolutely silent in regards to this. And I know from talking to people in Ottawa, that behind the scenes, there's conversations going on. And I know Lou Elizondo has briefed people. (01:38:32)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. I mean, they were in the House of Lords of all places. They couldn't even do it in the House of Commons. But in the House of Lords, they had a debate on it about a few months ago. It got brought up by one of the Lords. Are these things national security risk? What are we doing to look into these things? And the government responded and basically said, we've looked into this and they are not a risk, so we're not going to waste any more time on it. (01:39:00)

[host - Dave Scott] : That was a two-hour debate in the House of Lords. And the lady, I don't know your Minister of Defence there, but she was literally saying the exact same thing over and over for two hours. (01:39:14)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. It's all scripted, mate. It's all scripted. It's all a narrative. And they do stick to it in the UK. They stick to that narrative. And it's not a threat. We're not looking into it. I mean, these things are being seen daily. I mean, I may not have the perception that they're a threat because all my life, I've never really, you know, they've been here all the time. And they're always here. (01:39:38)

[Jonathan Davies] : They're always in the sky. And you never hear of planes crashing into them. So maybe they're not a threat. You know, they've been around for thousands of years. We know that. But they should be taking it seriously. Now they're seeing them on radar. We've got the new radar systems out there that have come online. And these things are being seen all the time. We know they're being tracked. (01:40:02)

[Jonathan Davies] : How can they not be perceived as a threat, just in case, just for just a public airline? We hear of public airlines going missing, for God's sake, you know? (01:40:13)

[host - Dave Scott] : I hear you. I hear you. All right. GFGFG has an interesting question. I think he follows you on Twitter or something. But he's saying, John, what do you think Tim Taylor works or who do you think Tim Taylor works for now? Do you believe he is with Eric Davis at Aerospace Corps? And what do you think Tim's involvement with Space Force is? Do you think he has or was one of Tom's? I'm going to assume that's Tom DeLonge's advisors. (01:40:42)

[Jonathan Davies] : Well, he does work with Aerospace Corps because Hal Puthoff told me he does. Okay, because I asked Hal Puthoff, who does he work for? He works for the NRO. And he works for Aerospace Corps with... I don't know whether he's working directly with Eric Davis, but I know he does work there. I have no idea whether he's involved with Space Force. I know that he is an advisor for SpaceX. I don't really know. (01:41:10)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, which is a bit ironic when you see Elon Musk saying he doesn't know whether or not there's anything out there in the universe. But when he's got Tim Taylor, who's known as the Dragon is his name, his nickname. And he knows all. I mean, we know he's doing re-engineering work. Because we've heard all that from the Diana Pasulka side of things with American Cosmic. You know, he was called Tyler in American Cosmic in that book for anyone who doesn't know who Tim Taylor is. (01:41:39)

[Jonathan Davies] : He's a billionaire, or he's a very, very rich man, and maybe hundreds of millions he's worth. And he's made a lot of money from medical products. And apparently he gets his inspiration from downloads. You'll get a download, you'll get an idea in his head, and he'll go and make that product and patent it. He was involved quite a so from what I understand. And apparently he adapted some of the things that Chris said, and made products, and painted them, and made a hell of a lot of money. (01:42:14)

[Jonathan Davies] : He's a very, very interesting guy. I mean, I wish somebody could get him to be interviewed, and he would come out the darkness and speak to us. I mean, thank God we've got Eric Davis, who's willing to drop the bomb, and be blunt with us. I've no idea whether he's one of Tom's advisors. I've never heard that one. That's a new one on me. (01:42:36)

[host - Dave Scott] : All right. A couple more questions before I take this over again. Stone Hobbit is asking, John, have you ever recorded any of your verbal while in NT state? (01:42:49)

[Jonathan Davies] : What's NT state? Sorry. (01:42:51)

[host - Dave Scott] : I'm going to say when you're out of consciousness, kind of like channeling. (01:42:59)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't do channeling. I don't do CE5. I don't do channeling. I just see things. You know, it just happens. So I don't really... it's normal for me. Do you understand what I mean? I mean, I know other people are desperate to see these things. And so they try different things to try and see if they can get experiences as well. And I don't do anything like that. I don't... I've never channeled. (01:43:22)

[Jonathan Davies] : I quite like the idea of meditating sometime and seeing whether or not I can bilocate. And I'm getting told about bilocation a lot lately by other abductees that I've spoken to recently. And that interests me. But my mind is so active in this topic. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to meditate, you know, whether I can quieten myself enough to take a breath and chill out. I'm a bit tired now. (01:43:50)

[Jonathan Davies] : Maybe this is the time to do it, Dave. I don't know. You know, my brain's not quite as active. But normally it's 50 million miles an hour and things are popping into my head left, right and center. And I don't know whether I'll ever be able to do it. You know, it's never happened yet. I've never been to Egypt in my mind and things like this, like other people seem to have done. And I don't get downloads. (01:44:13)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't get messages. That is really frustrating for me. It makes me skeptical of people that say they do, to be honest with you, Dave. I'm trying to be rational and trying to be plausible. But you know, you've got to be careful the things that you believe and what you do believe, what you don't believe and who you chat with. You've got to be so careful in this topic because there's so many people with egos and reasons for being involved that don't make any sense unless you think, well, they've got ulterior motives. There's something going on here. (01:44:46)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, I'm in this for what the hell's going on with me? You know, what's the hell's going on with us? What does this mean? What does this mean for humanity? These are the sort of things I'm interested in. I'm not interested in making money. I mean, if somebody comes along tomorrow and said, yeah, I'll make a movie about your landing experience or something, Dave, I'm gonna jump. I'm gonna bite their hand off. (01:45:09)

[Jonathan Davies] : Don't get me wrong. But it's not of interest to me. You know, I'm never going to... if somebody asks me a question, I'm going to answer the question. And there's, you know, if I can answer the question, I will. (01:45:21)

[host - Dave Scott] : I want to know if you're religious. (01:45:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : No, I'm not religious. I consider myself spiritual. You know, I consider myself, hopefully, I'm a good person that, you know, I help people across the road. And I let people have my seat if there's no seats on the bus. And I'm a good person. And I try and live my life in a good way. But I'm not religious. I've never understood that. To be honest with you, I've never understood why people would need to believe in something that's non-provable. (01:45:55)

[Jonathan Davies] : And they've got such faith in it. And I've never understood that. But this topic is a bit like a religion, isn't it? Because, you know, there's a cult of religion almost to this topic, that people have faith, even people that haven't seen UFOs, they're obsessed with finding out information about them. I find that fascinating. You know, why are they obsessed? You know, I'm obsessed, because obviously, I've got some sort of interaction going on. That's not the reason for my obsession. (01:46:27)

[host - Dave Scott] : Oh, fully understand. Fully understand. I'm going to ask one more question here. This is from Gloria. Have you ever been visited by men in black or any other government entity? (01:46:38)

[Jonathan Davies] : No. No, I mean, I saw those guys out on the track, and they had black vans, obviously, and I don't know who they were. But no, I mean, I'll be honest, I'd be quite happy if somebody did turn up and I'd probably lock them in, Dave, and like, sit them down and force them to stay there for the afternoon with me and tell me everything they know. I'd switch positions with these people just to get some information out of them. (01:47:08)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I'd happily, you know, if the government said to me what's going on, and tell us what's going on, and for your end, I'd happily help them, if I could help them. I don't see any reason to not, you know, I don't know. No, there's been no men in black as such turned up and knocked my door. I wish they would. (01:47:28)

[host - Dave Scott] : How did you become so connected? I mean, you're an ordinary guy, you're somebody who likes to ask questions. Yet you have this innate ability to have people just approach you and talk to you, whether you know them or not. Has this always been a lifelong skill of yours? Or did this just pop up within the UFO community? (01:47:56)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't know. I probably am quite good at speaking to people. I don't have any fear of speaking in public. And I've done a presentation recently to Sue Fawn in Swansea, at Swansea UFO Network. And, you know, there's a good crowd. And it doesn't bother me. You know, it really doesn't bother me. And at the end of the day, when you when you speak in the truth, you know, it's easy. You know, when you speak about things that have actually happened to you, it's simple to speak about them. (01:48:30)

[Jonathan Davies] : So there's no fear. There's no... I don't know. I don't know why they speak to me. I literally, I can, I can contact anyone. It's the people that don't speak to me I'm suspicious of, to be honest with you now, Dave. You know, because most people do speak to me. And I don't know whether it's other people are telling them or you should speak to John. And that's why they speak to me. (01:48:56)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't know. I've never asked that question of why you're speaking to me. But I'm quite an open person. So and I'm sincere. Maybe that comes across. I don't know. But I like I said to you earlier, something did change when I had that 323 thing going on with me and I was waking up 323 and I was getting the nosebleeds and I was getting the sound, I would get the sound. And then I would think it would come into my head, I need to speak to a certain person. (01:49:30)

[Jonathan Davies] : And that person, you know, I would spot something and I would, I would literally be able to speak to them that day. You know, there would be no delay. It is, it is strange. (01:49:41)

[host - Dave Scott] : The reason why I asked that is, I have had a number of people that I trust. Before you and I even started really getting in depth talking, saying, you got to talk to Jonathan Davies, you got to talk to Jonathan Davies. And you got to get to know him. And I'm glad I am. But you're like an anomaly in this field where you don't spill the beans, like a lot of what happens on UFO Twitter, when someone talks to someone, you are very considerate and kind, you ask when conversations can be private, and when they can be on the record. You're okay with that, you prefer off the record. (01:50:29)

[host - Dave Scott] : And I think that's why people trust you in regards to giving you information. But it always amazes me and I recall in our conversations that you have said a number of times, I have no idea why some of these names, like you mentioned Hal Puthoff earlier, even talk to you, yet here they are conversing with you. (01:50:49)

[SPEAKER_05] : Yeah. (01:50:51)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't spill the beans, but I do try and push people in the right directions. So if I find out something, this is the area we should be looking at. If somebody says this is what I'm looking at, and it comes across to me and I get the gut feeling, yeah, this person might be on to something, I try and put the likes of UFO Twitter on that same track, so that I'm not alone, that I am trying to tell them the sort of things that are going on. But I can't betray the fact that somebody's told me something in confidence, and I'm not going to, you know, spill the beans on that. (01:51:40)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, at the end of the day, they've told me something in confidence. I've got to keep that to myself until they come out and say something. That's down to them. And I've got to respect that. And I do respect that. And I think people know that. And maybe that again, that's why they speak to me. I don't know. I mean, Hal Puthoff was an interesting one. I went to the SCU conference, virtual conference. (01:52:03)

[Jonathan Davies] : Now there's a conference everyone should go to, because it was beyond interesting. This is a conference filled with scientists. We're trying to get scientists involved in this topic. I mean, I really want scientists to be involved in this topic, because, you know, if we're going to get any answers, it's probably going to come from scientists. So I go to this conference, and the system that they set up for that, for the virtual conference, was in place weeks before the actual conference took place. And so I signed up early, and I got access straight away. (01:52:36)

[Jonathan Davies] : And there were people chatting to each other weeks before the conference took place. So I noticed that Hal Puthoff was the main speaker. And I took the opportunity of sending him a message, a private message. And he immediately responded. And I was amazed, you know? He immediately responded. And I sent him some of my pictures, and I told him the details of my landing case. I told him the details of the strange helicopter incident, where the helicopter was vanishing. And he was fascinated by that. (01:53:10)

[Jonathan Davies] : He was fascinated by my pictures. And he kept on coming back to me. Every time I sent him a question, he would come straight back to me. And he started giving me advice on things I should look at, different papers that I should read. For instance, he said, when I talked about the helicopters, he said, you should look at the Cash Landrum case. You should read the Vale Eric Davis paper on the sort of things that are in the slide 9, the Chris Mellon slide 9, where basically these things can manifest as anything and alter your perceptions and make you think you're seeing things that are not really what you think you're seeing, you know? (01:53:55)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it just went on from there. I mean, that went on for six months. We were chatting constantly. And now we... I mean, I've just gone through a period of two weeks where we were literally contacting each other seven times a day, several times a day. I mean, everything that pops into my head, I send Hal a message, you know? I'm not on that system anymore. I do use another system now to contact him. (01:54:20)

[Jonathan Davies] : But, you know, it's an ongoing... he's such a gentleman. I wish that he could speak more. Obviously, he can't speak more, because he'll lose his NDAs and his ability to work in the topic, you know? But he is still as open as he can be, you know? (01:54:42)

[host - Dave Scott] : Out of all the information that you have learned over the past couple of years, what has... what can you share that has really stuck out to you regarding the phenomena? (01:55:00)

[Jonathan Davies] : The fact that they can alter perceptions. The fact that they can manifest as literally anything. I mean, I've had confirmation of that personally. I was thinking to myself, there was a... when the debrief came out with Tim McMillan, and they were all taught... everyone in the community, the UFO community, was talking about triangles and triangles coming out to the sea, and where are the pictures, and when are we going to get to see the pictures? Okay, when I was 15, I saw a boomerang or a wedge-shaped craft, but I didn't see triangle, okay? (01:55:36)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I've never seen a triangle. And yet, Dave, I've seen every shape under the sun. People talk about the tic-tacs. I've seen tic-tacs. I've seen tic-tacs quite regular, okay? But they used to be cigar-shaped, long cylinder-type shapes. Now, there seem to be smaller ones, which is what got reported by Commander Fravor and everyone else. But I've lost my train of thought. (01:55:59)

[host - Dave Scott] : See, it's funny you say that you've never seen a black triangle. (01:56:02)

[Jonathan Davies] : Oh, yeah, triangles. (01:56:03)

[host - Dave Scott] : Out of all the craft and UFOs that I've seen, I've never seen the classic disc shape. (01:56:11)

[Jonathan Davies] : I never... I've just finished the triangle bit, and I'll go back to discs. The triangle, so I got confirmation. I was thinking to myself, why have I never seen a triangle? And I was... it was just in my head. You know, I wonder why I've never seen a triangle. Everyone's going on about these triangles. So, I go to bed. I wake up at about 2am. My dogs are restless. (01:56:32)

[Jonathan Davies] : I took my dogs outside. Three black triangles flew over the top of my head, okay? That night. Now, I don't think they were triangles, Dave, because I've already said I think these things literally manifest as anything. And so, they basically proved, yes, they can manifest as anything. And there you go. Here's some triangles for you. I think they were probably these orange orbs again, and they can make you think, you know, anything you want. They can be anything they want. (01:57:01)

[Jonathan Davies] : When I've talked about the helicopters, I moved to a house not far from where I'm living now, another big barn conversion. And me and my wife were in bed. And again, it was late. And we wake up. My wife woke up first and woke me up and said, what's going on? And the whole house was shaking, okay? We lived in the middle of nowhere. We had no neighbors, just us on our own in the middle of nowhere in this big house. And the whole house is shaking. (01:57:31)

[Jonathan Davies] : And there was deafening noise of a helicopter above the house, a Chinook. We see Chinooks all the time in Wales, because there's a lot of military bases in the area. And so, they practice in the Bracken Beacons, the military do, not far from where I live. But literally, I could hear this Chinook above the house, and it feels like it's going to land on top of my house. That's the way it felt. (01:57:54)

[Jonathan Davies] : That was the noise. That was the way the house was shaking. I looked outside, I opened the curtains, and you could see outside was all lit up by white lights. I could see all the gardens lit up. So, I'm thinking, what the hell is going on? So, I literally run through my house. I, all the way, I can look through the windows, I can still see the lights outside. I get to the kitchen door. (01:58:14)

[Jonathan Davies] : I open the kitchen door. Boom, it's gone. There's no noise. There's no light. Okay, there's nothing. Yet, the next day, my roof is damaged. It's mad. It's absolutely mad. Was it helicopter? I have no idea. How does a helicopter vanish immediately? You open a door with no more sound, and yet, it's deafening the second before you open the door. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know whether they're giving me some sort of, you need to realize we can do this sort of thing. (01:58:48)

[Jonathan Davies] : And that's the sort of indications they were giving me, the same sort of thing with the triangles. We can manifest as anything. I've got stories that we've seen in Wales, that I'm part of SUFON, the Swansea UFO Network. We've got people saying, oh, I saw this helicopter, and the helicopter pilot was waving at me, and he had a big smile on his face, and then the helicopter vanished. It's nuts. (01:59:11)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, for a start, why would a helicopter be there, just stationary, and some guy smiling and waving at you? Have you ever heard of anything like that? It's weird. (01:59:21)

[host - Dave Scott] : I hear you. My friend, I'm going to get you to hold on right there. Jonathan Davies, we got him till the bottom of the hour here on Spaced Out Radio. Then we got the fedora-wearing John Hudson with the UFO Report, Shirky Poo's News. We'll continue with the third hour of Spaced Out Radio next. It's a good interview tonight, John. (01:59:53)

[Jonathan Davies] : Thanks, mate. (01:59:54)

[host - Dave Scott] : Good interview. Thank you. Oh, man. Very, very happy with this one. Very happy. (02:00:04)

[Jonathan Davies] : There's some wild things. I mean, I haven't told you. I mean, I still haven't finished the disc. I'll tell you the disc thing when we come back. That was, again, all related to the landing experience. I'd never seen a disc. And then a few days later, there's a... Do you want me to wait until we come back, and I'll tell you that one? (02:00:30)

[host - Dave Scott] : Yeah, you can tell it now. We got like five minutes. (02:00:33)

[Jonathan Davies] : Okay, so where am I? So I saw the fighter jets that day. Then on a Sunday, we used to go up to my parent or my parent-in-law's home for Sunday lunch. Yeah, so we traveled up to Newport, which is like 50 miles from where we lived. And every Sunday, we do this. So we get to this place called Cumbren, where they lived, a little town called Cumbren near Newport. And we get to a set of traffic lights. (02:01:07)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I'm at the front of the set of traffic lights, driving my car, my wife and a daughter in the car with me. And it's a red light, and I'm stopped. And there's people crossing the road, lots of people. There's a busy place. And it's a beautiful, clear blue sky. And because all this had been happening for the last couple of days, with the landing, and then I'm on the floor with the green objects, yeah, I look to my right. And as I look up, there's a disc. (02:01:31)

[Jonathan Davies] : Never seen a disc before. Okay. It was nuts. Absolutely nuts. Like a gray metallic disc, quite low in the sky, you would not have missed it. Yet not one of these people who are crossing the road is seeing anything. My wife is to my left, so she's got the roof of the car, so she can't see it, because it's to my right, because we drive on the right in the UK, you know, the right-hand steering wheel is on the right. And I'm going nuts. (02:02:02)

[Jonathan Davies] : I'm going, oh, my God, here we go again. You know, and nuts. Like I said, my wife isn't interested. So all she's caring about is the fact that I've been agitated again. And I'm going, oh, my God, they're back. And my daughter's getting agitated in the back of the car and starts crying. She's in the baby seat, you know. And my wife is getting annoyed and the lights change. Nobody has looked, though, Dave. There must be, you know, 10 people on that side of the road, 10 people on that side of the road. (02:02:28)

[Jonathan Davies] : Clear blue sky, blisk. Nobody saw it. I'm looking at them thinking, what's the matter with them? Why can't they see it? You know, clear as day. So I drive, it's about another mile to my parent-in-law's house. And I get out of the car, I park the car, and I'm just stood there, and it's still there in exactly the same spot. Hasn't moved. (02:02:52)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I've watched it for a few more minutes. And I go in, look, look, to my wife, and my wife's not interested. She goes straight in, you know, annoyed with me that I just caused all this again in the car. And I got bored. And there was no, there was no, I didn't have a camera on my phone or anything in those days. You know, this is 2010, I probably did, but I didn't, I don't bother taking pictures anymore. I took those pictures in 2010, and I took a lot of abuse, like I said, about on ATS and things. (02:03:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : And I tried telling people about what they were, and I thought, well, I'm not bothering with pictures anymore. You know, they don't tell you anything anyway, Dave, you know, you can have the best picture in the world, and everyone will just say, ah, something is suspicious about that picture. You know, there's something wrong with that. And so what's the point? You know, it's the same with the videos. I mean, if I could get a chance to do a video, I did. (02:03:45)

[Jonathan Davies] : I got, last Christmas, my wife got me a Synex colour night vision camera, because I thought, Chris Blaytoe got one, and he was telling me all about it. He said, you should get one. So I got my wife to get me one for Christmas. And literally, it was weeks of rain. Wales is like tropical rainforest, apart from we don't get the heat. We get the cold, and we get the wet and cloud. Okay. So it was weeks after Christmas until I got the opportunity to go outside when it was a starry night. (02:04:16)

[Jonathan Davies] : So I go out, and I'm like, all right, turn it on, boom, boom. It's a video motion. I put it up to my eye, and there's an orb. The very first thing I see, one, two seconds, and I got an orb. I pull my thing in. There's nothing there. You know, you could not see. So these things are in the sky, and you can't see them unless you've got certain equipment. That's something I've discovered. (02:04:40)

[Jonathan Davies] : Okay. So I've got a video of that. I'll send it to you. It's literally just an orb. It's not moving that fast, but it's got an intermittent flash. I checked. There was nothing on the flight radar. I could obviously look at all these things. Nothing on the flight radar. There was nothing on satellite trackers. Yeah, and you couldn't see it with the naked eye. There was no sound. (02:05:06)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, so it makes you... if people have got the budget, it's only a few hundred pounds, buy one of these Sion X cameras. You should grab one. You'd be shocked because it literally does turn night into day in the full color. Wow. Yeah. (02:05:22)

[host - Dave Scott] : Wow. We've got just under a minute here before we got to come back here. And I got a bunch more questions for you. (02:05:36)

[Jonathan Davies] : I'll tell you something else I filmed in a minute with that camera when we come back, because it's something that infuriates me about this topic. (02:05:44)

[host - Dave Scott] : Sounds good. You having fun? (02:05:48)

[SPEAKER_05] : Yeah. (02:05:50)

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[host - Dave Scott] : The Desert Clam has set the password for tonight in the SOR Space Travelers Club. Weird Ward. Weird Ward is your password. Use it wisely, space travelers, as the clam sets the password each and every night right here on Spaced Out Radio. Our website is spacedoutradio.com. We have a plethora of features for you, including rocking out to Bumblefoot and reading up on Captain Shirk's SOR Newswire. Follow us on Twitter at spacedoutradio and on Instagram, spacedoutradioshow. For the final time tonight, we bring in UK experiencer Jonathan Davies. He's from Wales, has an incredible amount of experiences, has an incredible amount of contacts that he has worked to learn some of the stranger parts of this entire phenomena. (02:07:56)

[host - Dave Scott] : Jon, welcome back. (02:07:57)

[Jonathan Davies] : Nice to be back. (02:07:58)

[host - Dave Scott] : Now, you have seen a UFO landing. What was that like? (02:08:04)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, that was a major experience. I hadn't seen one land before. I don't know. This is normal. You know what I mean, Dave? It's like I do sometimes find it hard to get excited about it, which annoys the hell out of people. And I don't tend to take pictures. I'll tell you something else we were talking about when we were in the breakdown. We were talking about Cyan X colour night vision cameras. (02:08:40)

[Jonathan Davies] : I had a few months back, I was outside and I had my camera with me. No, I didn't. I went outside with the dogs and an orange, no, a red orb started going over the top of my house. Massive one. Okay. It was very low cloud and I could see the red coming off this orb going onto the cloud above and reflected onto the cloud. Okay. So I run inside and I grabbed my camera. It was only going slow, literally just drifting over my house. (02:09:15)

[Jonathan Davies] : No sound at all. So I start filming this and I'm thinking, right, this is going to be as good as the landing. Okay. Because it was that good. It was a really good orb. And it's, it's, it's letting me film everything. The cows, I'm on a farm and the cows in the field right next to my house are all going nuts and all running around. It's still dark. (02:09:37)

[Jonathan Davies] : Okay. And they're all going nuts and mooing. And I start filming all them because you can see all them on the camera on the night vision camera. And I'm filming the trees so I can give scale to this thing. So I'm going up and down and I'm giving scale to this thing. And I'm talking as I'm videoing it and describing what I'm seeing and describing the time of night and the date and everything else. And the fact that I can't hear anything. (02:10:02)

[Jonathan Davies] : And this thing literally goes across and I've got a hill just, just to where this thing is heading. And it landed on the hillside. Okay. And I filmed it all. And I'm thinking, oh, great. Am I going to get the same sort of flashes that happened before? Nothing happened though. But I'm checking everything as I'm doing all this, you know, because I'm panicking that I'm going to do something wrong and I'm not going to show the rest of the world. Because it's one of the things that, you know, it doesn't really bother me if people believe me, but it would be nice if I could give them something to say, shut up, you know, you skeptics out. (02:10:35)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, here you go. There's something they've just let me film, you know, because it's rare that they let you film something. So you film, I filmed all this. I got it all perfect. And to be honest, Dave, I got a bit bored because it's just another orb at the end of the day. Now it's just sat on the hillside. It's not really doing anything. So I turned off the camera and think, oh, great. (02:10:56)

[Jonathan Davies] : I'm going to watch it. I've got a 65 inch TV that I've got in my office that I tend to watch things on. I'll hook it all up and I'll go and see how good this was. I come inside and my SD card and my camera is blank. Okay. There's nothing on the internal memory. And I, yeah, I've been watching, I've been checking this camera over and over, making sure that it's all set up and I'm not making no errors. You know, the little red light is flashing when you normally video something, nothing. (02:11:24)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, that is, there were other films on there that I'd made. Luckily I'd made copies of, but they were still on that SD card. All those were gone as well. Okay. It drives me nuts. They do, this is what they do. They, they let you get a glimpse of these things and then I'm sure they know your intentions. And if they, they don't like the fact that you're going to share it with anyone, they won't let you keep it. You know, they'll blank your SD card or they'll, they'll drain the battery on your camera. (02:11:53)

[Jonathan Davies] : After that incident with the landing, I saw things for weeks on end and I was taking pictures and the pictures would come out fuzzy or they'd be rubbish. Yeah. If you looked at them with the naked eye, they'd be, you could see them perfectly. You know, it was driving me nuts. I literally stopped taking pictures. And after the experience, I had sharing pictures, you know, and the sort of trolls telling me, you know, that's rubbish or that's fake or that's, you know, you just, it drains you after a while. You're trying to cheer, you're trying to let everyone know it's very strange going on and you should be aware of it. (02:12:31)

[Jonathan Davies] : And you get these people, I don't know whether they're plants in the community that are out there, you know, you're of intelligence community, people like Doty who pay people to, who used to pay people to dumb this topic down. And I get the impression there's still some of that been going on over the years or during the period that I was trying to tell people anyway, it seemed to be that nobody wanted to listen. I was thanking God for Dave Partridge of Shadows of Your Mind magazine, who basically contacted me and said, let me put your story in my magazine. (02:13:09)

[Jonathan Davies] : And it just, it increased my interest again in the topping it in, in cheering, you know, and then, my God, I'm going to meet Dave on for the first time on Wednesdays through in June. (02:13:21)

[host - Dave Scott] : Very cool. Very cool for you as you kind of go on with learning about this subject. And like I said, right before the break, you know, you're someone who a lot of people are talking to, what do you think? And what's your opinion of both UFO Twitter and the media narrative on this subject right now? (02:13:49)

[Jonathan Davies] : Opinion on UFO Twitter? Oh, dear. It's good and bad UFO Twitter. I mean, they're, they're, like I said, there are elements to UFO Twitter that I cannot bear. They're little cliquey groups that control narratives. And it drives me to despair sometimes when you know full well, that something is being pushed that shouldn't really be pushed. But that's the narrative of the week. And that's why they're doing it. (02:14:26)

[Jonathan Davies] : And you see the same people doing this together all the time. And you have to, you have to ask yourself, well, there's something a little amiss with that sort of thing. There are lots of good people. I block the trolls if I can block the trolls. And I try and share things. Like I said earlier, I try and push people in the right directions. If I've learned something, I will try and share as much as I can share without breaking their confidence. And obviously, I'm hoping that, you know, those people are one day going to come out and speak. (02:15:04)

[Jonathan Davies] : And they do, you know, sometimes it takes months and months and months and months. But usually, they'll say, don't say anything about this. But, you know, so you don't say anything. And then the next day, they're talking about it themselves. It's a bit ironic sometimes. But yeah, strange. What was the other part of the question, Dave? Sorry, but you were talking about Twitter. (02:15:25)

[host - Dave Scott] : Well, just the entire narrative that is going on. Because there are a lot of people out there who believe there is no narrative. And that there is no, you know, real conspiracy going on with this topic. That, you know, we're seeing the government play it out, especially in the United States. We're seeing this really start to take bold steps forward where, you know, people are talking about it. And I just want your opinion on it. (02:15:55)

[Jonathan Davies] : It's obviously, there's obviously been a plan of action from day one. I mean, you know, the TTSA didn't just spring out of nowhere. The TTSA were a pre-planned group. I mean, it turns out, I mean, I'll say this, but maybe I shouldn't say this, but the TTSA were never supposed to come out. Okay, Tom did actually push that so that TTSA came out and the guys just went along with it because they thought, well, maybe it is time. And that's the reason they actually came out. (02:16:23)

[Jonathan Davies] : But TTSA had been going for, had been something that was going on in the background for a long time. I mean, from what I can gather, Elizondo was only brought into it because he was counter-intel and there was leaks. They needed to plug the leaks and that's why he was brought into it. But everyone seems to think that General McCasland was the person who brought everyone together and started all this off with John Podesta. But this has all been going on for long before McCasland was involved. (02:16:55)

[Jonathan Davies] : The team, the rest of the team were already together. It is, it is, that's enough on that one. (02:17:08)

[host - Dave Scott] : Well, and I know that you have to be careful with what you're saying and what you're doing and everything, because I know you don't want to break the trust of a lot of people who are talking to you these days. But do you have an opinion that you would like to share about a lot of these cliques and factions that you just mentioned regarding what they're doing, whether or not it's helping the field of ufology progress? (02:17:37)

[Jonathan Davies] : I don't know whether it's helping. I mean, we do seem to be progressing. I control what I say. You know, Mike, sometimes I get angry and I get frustrated. And as I get older, I get worse. You know, you're desperate for... I'm 54 on Monday and my dad died at 55, Dave. And I promised myself that I was going to try because he had an interest as well. He never saw anything, but he had an interest in this topic. (02:18:09)

[Jonathan Davies] : He loved his sci-fi and he was always interested in the universe and looking up the sky as well. Maybe that's where I get it from. I don't know. But I promised myself I was going to do my best to find information on this. And I get really, really frustrated. I'm a year away from the point where he died. And, you know, you start thinking, oh, my God, I could be dead in a minute. And I might be learning things, but the things I'm learning, they're more questions. (02:18:37)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, you... and some things you don't want to learn as well. There are things like... you wish you didn't know. You know, there are things like Tom Long basically comes out and says there are some parts of this are not very nice. And if some of the things I get told are true, then he's right. You know? I don't know. (02:19:03)

[host - Dave Scott] : I know this is uncomfortable. (02:19:07)

[Jonathan Davies] : Difficult. Difficult conversation, this part. (02:19:09)

[host - Dave Scott] : What's your opinion? There's a lot of speculation regarding Lou Elizondo, whether or not he has been speaking the truth. We've heard questions come out about whether or not, you know, he worked for ATIP, if he was actually funded, if he was literally, you know, there's been people asking questions. Lou, prove you've worked at the Pentagon, show us your tax records and your, you know, everything. What is your opinion of this guy? (02:19:41)

[Jonathan Davies] : It's a hard one, isn't it? I'm really appreciative of the fact that there's no doubt that we have moved forward and he has spilled some beans. They seem to be still spilling and the rabbit hole just gets bigger, you know? I don't know. I mean, I've always been careful because of the likes of Rick Doty, counterintel, and Lou's counterintel. And so it just makes me weary. You know, we've been burnt in this topic so many times that I've just got to be careful. (02:20:26)

[Jonathan Davies] : You know, I want it all to be legit. I want it all to be real. I want to feel part of the team that support him and to get more and more and more out. I mean, he does seem to be, he does seem to be doing it. I just, I've just got this, I use my gut feeling in this topic because you have to, you know, your gut is the only thing that's keeping us because we're not getting any real information. You've got to trust your gut. (02:20:55)

[Jonathan Davies] : That's what I've discovered. And my gut says still, still be careful, still be careful. And, you know. (02:21:05)

[host - Dave Scott] : Well, let's face it. I mean, I think he's done a lot of good for ufology as well. And I changed my opinion on that, you know, by, by a lot of things they say in talking to the man himself. But I mean, once a spook, always a spook. And Lou will tell you he, he is a patriot and he loves the country more than he loves talking to UFO Twitter and the people about this subject. (02:21:29)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, I get, I've always had the impression that the reason that he's doing what he's doing is because he is a patriot and, and the military side of things is much more interesting for him than, than ever telling us what's really going on. And I do, he does seem to have mellowed that with me the last couple of years. He does seem like he does want us to know, you know, that's, that's the way he's coming across now. That's the impression I get. (02:21:56)

[Jonathan Davies] : I've still, I've still got my gut feeling though, that the end of the day, this is to militarize things and stop the Chinese getting things before us and stop the Russians getting things before us. And let's pretend it's a threat so we can get, we can weaponize things. And I don't know. I mean, why did they do the Krada? Why did they do that? That, that made me suspicious. (02:22:19)

[Jonathan Davies] : As soon as that happened, I never understood why they did the Krada with the, letting the government have all the materials, like they hoovered up all the materials that were in the public realm, never to be seen again. And that put doubts back in my mind as to, is this a legitimate movement for disclosure, though I'm talking about TTSA at this point, or not. (02:22:46)

[host - Dave Scott] : So do you think it's about disclosure or confirmation? (02:22:51)

[Jonathan Davies] : Depends what you mean by both, doesn't it? At the end of the day, I've never needed disclosure because I've always known that this is going on. So for me, it's not, it's not disclosure. And I'm not really interested in the tech. So that has never bothered me in the slightest, the tech, you know, the who and the why are the only things that really matter to me. And getting answers for those, because I think it's a lot more involved than the tech, you know, and nuts and bolts doesn't bother me in the slightest. (02:23:33)

[Jonathan Davies] : That is irrelevant. You know, what comes after death? Is this all part of our existence? Is this all trick? I don't know. Difficult. (02:23:48)

[host - Dave Scott] : Earlier this summer, we saw Jeremy Corbell release a number of videos of alleged UFO craft. I believe three of the four videos were confirmed as UAP by the Pentagon and the military. But the final one wasn't. And we've seen pretty much until the rubber ducky video, we've seen a lot of the videos shut down to the public. Do you think this is on purpose? Do you think Jeremy Corbell was cut out of releasing videos? And do you think that this is something that we need more of? (02:24:32)

[host - Dave Scott] : Is more of these clear videos of craft? (02:24:36)

[Jonathan Davies] : Well, they were supposed to be. I mean, I was told that there were several videos that were declassified and were eventually going to come out. But because Congress suddenly started moving on things, and it was looking like they were going to do things, and they started doing reports, etc, that they didn't feel the need to release these videos. I got a feeling these are being held in the background, and that they will be released if things turn sour. Who knows? (02:25:09)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, apparently Jim Temivan was telling people there were several videos not being confirmed by Lou. I'd obviously love to see as many videos as possible. The Corbell video, that didn't do it for me at all. The triangular, that was obviously bokeh, whatever they call it. That didn't feel real. I mean, I've been told that they were actually orbs. There was no triangles at all. I was told that they were orbs, and there were hundreds of orbs. (02:25:43)

[Jonathan Davies] : Red orbs, I think I was told. I mean, I find it more interesting that those teams were on the boats filming everything, and even allowed into the radar rooms, and they were filming in there. I found that part of it much more interesting. I mean, I'd love to know whether or not there was actually a nuclear sub, and obviously under the water, and that was what attracted these things. I've also been told that maybe they were trying to shoot these things down via electrical magnetic pulse, EMP, and that's why they were around these ships. (02:26:23)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, they never tell us whether or not these orbs go inside the ships or go inside the subs. I'd love to know about that as well, Dave. Have you ever heard anyone talk about that? (02:26:32)

[host - Dave Scott] : No, nothing about that. (02:26:33)

[Jonathan Davies] : And yet we hear from Ross Coulthard that an orange orb was at Pine Gap in Australia, at the base, a top-secret military base in Australia, and the guards were chasing it through the base. We know that they entered the base at bent waters in the UK. Orbs entered the base and were scanning the nuclear missiles. And we also know that Bob Bigelow released a video from Bigelow Aerospace showing a security camera of an orb in a room, floating around the room, and everyone basically said that that was a dust particle. All the trolls out there who think they know what they're talking about said that that was a dust particle. (02:27:18)

[Jonathan Davies] : I mean, I don't know about that. It did seem a bit different to the types of orbs that I've seen, but I was told that that room held low-grade nuclear material, where that orb was, and that people were shocked. I know scientists were shocked that video was ever released. So that makes you wonder, you know, I mean, why are we not hearing from sailors and, you know, people on these bases that these things are actually inside, going inside the buildings? Apparently, I mean, if you look at slide nine, it tells us that these objects can pass through matter. (02:28:04)

[Jonathan Davies] : So they can enter. They don't need the door open. They can literally go through the wall and materialize on the other side. And like I said earlier, I think the small ones are a type of camera or a mirror glass, and they're literally a view. Maybe they're a view from another universe or another dimension. Who knows? But they are sort of like a drone-type object. I mean, I can't see any of the purpose for them. (02:28:32)

[Jonathan Davies] : That's my impression anyway. I don't know that for a fact. I just get the impression that they're like a camera and they're looking at things, you know. (02:28:41)

[host - Dave Scott] : You got 30 seconds, my friend. Where do you see UFOs and ufology going by the end of the year? (02:28:49)

[Jonathan Davies] : Time travel. I think we're going to start hearing more about time travel. I'm convinced that 1947 Roswell was actually a time craft and that we are actually utilizing that technology now. And like I said earlier, I don't think it's ET. So that should give you a massive hint as to why I think they are. And I think it's dimensionals as in the orbs, and I think the nuts and bolts time travel. (02:29:25)

[host - Dave Scott] : That is a big hint from a man who says a lot through a little. Read between the lines, people. Jonathan Davies. We're going to get him back on again. Up next, Fedora John joins us with the unbiased UFO report. We'll be back on Spaced Out Radio right after this. Beautiful, man. (02:29:54)

[Jonathan Davies] : Thanks, mate. I won't stick around because my dogs are going to need to go out. And my wife, I told she could get up at seven o'clock. And she's stuck around. It's half past seven now. And I heard the dog bark a short time ago. So I'm going to get in trouble. (02:30:09)

[host - Dave Scott] : Well, you go. John and I will probably be here for about an hour or so. If you want to join us, you're more than welcome. If you can sneak back in. If not, I'll talk to you soon anyways. (02:30:21)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, no worries, mate. Enjoy. Thank you so much. (02:30:24)

[host - Dave Scott] : I might look to bring you back on by the end of the year. (02:30:28)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah. (02:30:29)

[host - Dave Scott] : But I'll do it in a panel form. (02:30:32)

[Jonathan Davies] : Okay. (02:30:33)

[host - Dave Scott] : All right. (02:30:34)

[Jonathan Davies] : Yeah, that's great, man. I really enjoyed it. Thanks ever so much. (02:30:37)

[host - Dave Scott] : Appreciate you. Take care, my friend. (02:30:39)

[Jonathan Davies] : Thanks. Bye. (02:30:40)

(2025-09-29)

前置き​

要旨​

目次​

コメント​

全体俯瞰​

エグゼクティブ・サマリー​

I. ジョナサン・デイヴィス氏の人物像​

生涯にわたる体験者​

UAP分野における情報ハブ​

公になることへの抵抗感と現在の探求​

II. 体験の類型と詳細​

A. 幼少期の体験：オーブとの共存​

B. 1983年のミッシングタイムと巨大UAP目撃​

C. 超常現象と実体との遭遇​

D. 身体的影響と特異な能力の発現​

III. 2010年10月7日の着陸事件：詳細な時系列​

A. 事件の発生​

B. 事件後の余波と調査​

C. 継続する異常現象​

IV. UAP現象に関するデイヴィス氏の核となる見解​

A. 地球外ではなく「次元間」存在​

B. 知覚操作と顕現能力​

C. 「トリックスター」としての側面​

D. オーブの目的とタイムトラベルの可能性​

V. UAP言説と「ディスクロージャー」への批評的視点​

英国政府の秘密主義​

UFO Twitterの功罪​

TTSAとルイス・エリゾンド氏への懐疑的視点​

証拠（写真・動画）の価値に対する見解​

事例報告​

「生涯にわたる体験者（Lifelong Experiencer）」としての背景とアイデンティティ​

1. 生涯にわたる体験者としてのアイデンティティ​

2. 重要な転換期としての出来事​

3. 研究者・ネットワーク構築者としての役割​

4. 現象の性質と信念​

幼少期の体験​

1. オーブとの日常的な接触​

2. 幼少期の接触と孤立​

3. 健康上の出来事とオーブの集合​

4. 幼少期の「遭遇」​

5. 身体的なマーク​

情報源​

文字起こし（話者識別）​

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