Devon Kramer の臨死体験と数秘術

前置き

臨死体験で宇宙的な数秘術を悟った…と語る Devon Kramer のインタビュー動画を AI で整理した。

数秘術だの神聖図形だの密教の印相だの、真言だの…どれも妄想でしかないが、Devon Kramer のこの証言は、彼の数秘術が臨死体験時の意識障害が生み出した妄想であることを示しているという点で価値がある。

要旨

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臨死体験と数秘術の宇宙的関連性

この音声コンテンツの書き起こしは、‌‌グラント・キャメロン‌‌と共同ホストの‌‌シンディ・ヴォル‌‌が、臨死体験（NDE）をした‌‌デヴォン・クレイマー‌‌をゲストに迎えたポッドキャストからの抜粋です。

クレイマー氏は、2017年の自身のNDE中に‌‌数字と宇宙の構造‌‌に関する深い知識を得たと説明し、特に‌‌数字「9」‌‌の普遍的な重要性と、それが‌‌時間やカレンダー‌‌にいかに適用できるかを強調しています。

彼は、この知識を用いて自身の健康を癒し、‌‌「9Vibes Universal」‌‌というプラットフォームで、‌‌36日間のパターン‌‌に基づく個人的な変革のための方法論を教えていることを語っています。

また、グラント・キャメロンはNDEと‌‌UFO体験‌‌との統計的な関連性に注目し、クレイマー氏の発見が、すべてが‌‌数学的かつ完全に調整されたパターン‌‌で構成されているという考えを裏付けていると指摘しています。

目次

1. 前置き
2. 要旨
3. 九つの波動と臨死体験が示す宇宙の構造：デヴォン・クレイマー氏の洞察に関するブリーフィング
   1. エグゼクティブ・サマリー
   2. 1. デヴォン・クレイマー氏の臨死体験（NDE）
   3. 2. 「情報の洪水」：NDEで得られた知識
   4. 3. 宇宙の構造と数秘術：9の重要性
   5. 4. 実践的応用：「36日間の旅」
   6. 5. 現実の多次元モデル：3D, 4D, 5D
   7. 6. 死、転生、そして現実創造に関する洞察
   8. 7. Ufologyとの関連性と情報の源泉
4. NDE と UFO 現象の関連性
   1. 1. 統計に基づく関連性の指摘
   2. 2. 知識のダウンロードとUFO現象との類似
   3. 3. 普遍的な数学的構造（9の波動）の共有
5. Devon Kramer のNDE
   1. 1. NDEの発生と初期の感覚
   2. 2. 圧倒的な感情と知識のダウンロード
   3. 3. NDEから得られた知識とその応用（9Vibesの誕生）
   4. 4. NDEと多次元世界の関連性
6. 死の淵で見た宇宙の真実：デヴォン・クレイマー氏の臨死体験
   1. 序章：人生を変えた一日
   2. 1. 世界が停止した日
   3. 2. 死を超えた世界の知覚
   4. 3. 帰還、そして新たな始まり
   5. 4. 奇跡の変容：臨死体験がもたらした変化
   6. 5. 「向こう側」から持ち帰った叡智
   7. 結び：すべては繋がっている
7. 情報源
8. 文字起こし

九つの波動と臨死体験が示す宇宙の構造：デヴォン・クレイマー氏の洞察に関するブリーフィング

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エグゼクティブ・サマリー

このブリーフィングは、デヴォン・クレイマー氏が臨死体験（NDE）を通じて得たとされる、宇宙の構造、数秘術、そして現実の本質に関する包括的な洞察をまとめたものである。クレイマー氏は2017年のNDE中に「情報の洪水」を経験し、それまで専門外であった量子力学や物理学に関する深い知識を得たと主張する。

中心的なテーマは、数字「9」の重要性である。クレイマー氏はこの数字を「完成」および「アルファとオメガ」を象徴するものと位置づけ、自身の活動「9Vibes」の基盤としている。彼は、現在の365日暦に代わる、宇宙のサイクルと調和した432日暦（週9日、月36日）を提唱する。この暦は、光速や地球の歳差運動といった物理定数と密接に関連しているとされる。

また、クレイマー氏は、‌‌「36日間の旅」‌‌と呼ばれる実践的な現実創造のメソッドを提示する。これは、ニコラ・テスラの3-6-9の概念に基づき、宣言、確約、行動、増幅というステップを特定の周期で繰り返すことで、個人の目標達成を促すものである。

彼の宇宙観は、電子の電荷に基づいた3D、4D、5Dの多次元モデルによって説明される。我々の住む3Dは電子が「負」であり困難を経験しやすいが、死後に移行する4Dでは電子が「中性」となりカルマが解消され、最終的に到達する5Dでは電子が「正」となり理想的な現実を体験するという。このモデルに基づき、死は恐怖の対象ではなく、より高次の意識状態への移行であり、転生はカルマ解消のためではなく、全く新しい経験のために行われると結論付けている。

クレイマー氏の体験は、UFO体験者が高い割合でNDEを経験するという統計とも一致しており、彼が得た情報は神からではなく、「ザ・フィールド」または「統一圧力場」と呼ばれる、宇宙に遍在する生きた情報源から得られたものであると彼は考えている。

1. デヴォン・クレイマー氏の臨死体験（NDE）

1.1. 背景と経緯

デヴォン・クレイマー氏は、自身の臨死体験が2017年1月20日に起こったと述べている。当時、彼は腎不全や敗血症を含む重篤な病状にあり、約2年間にわたり22回も入退院を繰り返していた。体験当日、自宅で体調が急変し、コンピュータがシャットダウンするように身体機能が停止していく感覚に襲われ、911に通報した直後に意識を失った。

1.2. 体験の内容

意識を取り戻したクレイマー氏は、自身が時間の内側と外側に同時にいるような感覚を覚えた。彼の周りにはエネルギーのグリッドラインが見え、家の中のあらゆるものがエネルギーで構成されていることを視覚的に認識した。

• 時間の停止: リビングのテレビ画面は、大統領就任式のニュースを映したまま完全に静止していた。
• 声と自己認識: 当初、終末的な出来事が起きたのかと考えたが、「いや、これは君自身の問題だ」という声を聴き、自分が死んだことを悟った。
• 感情の変化: 死を認識した瞬間、圧倒的な慈悲、理解、愛、安心感に包まれた。それまで12年以上も広場恐怖症に苦しんでいたが、その瞬間に完全で満たされた感覚を得た。
• エネルギーの認識: 庭を動くウサギが、自らの意思ではなく、エネルギーによって「押されて」動いているのを視認した。
• 情報の洪水: 座って状況を整理しようとした瞬間、膨大な知識が流れ込んできた。クレイマー氏はこれを「読めない量子力学の専門書5冊分の情報が一度に与えられた」と表現している。
• 身体との離脱と巨大な扉: 意識が自身の身体から離れていることを確認した後、目の前に巨大な扉が出現し、その向こうから強烈な光が放たれているのを見た。彼は全身全霊でその扉に向かいたいという強い衝動に駆られた。

1.3. 帰還と身体的影響

扉に到達する直前、クレイマー氏は意識を取り戻した。目の前には救急隊員がおり、彼の身体機能はコンピュータが再起動するようにゆっくりと回復していった。後の検査で、彼が軽度の脳卒中と脳内出血を起こしていたことが判明した。当時33歳であった。この体験後、彼は数ヶ月にわたりNDEで得た情報を書き留め、それを自身の生活に応用し始めた結果、腎臓機能の回復や広場恐怖症の克服など、劇的な変化を遂げた。

2. 「情報の洪水」：NDEで得られた知識

クレイマー氏がNDE中に受け取った「情報の洪水」は、彼がそれまで全く知らなかった高度な科学的・数学的概念を含んでいた。

• 知識の流入形態: 情報は、視覚的なイメージと、概念的な知識の直接的なアップロードの両方の形で与えられた。
  • 視覚的情報: 「137649」（アルファ数）と「862350」（オメガ数）といった具体的な数字の羅列を見た。これらは後にボルテックス数学を学ぶことで、互いに9で完全に対応する数字のペアであることを理解した。
  • 概念的知識: 「重力は引力ではなく、統一圧力場による『押す力』である」といった、従来の物理学の常識を覆す概念が直接理解された。
• 個人の変化: 数学が非常に苦手だったにもかかわらず、NDE後はこれらの複雑な数字や概念を容易に記憶し、応用できるようになった。

3. 宇宙の構造と数秘術：9の重要性

クレイマー氏の教えの中心には、数字「9」が持つ宇宙的な重要性がある。

3.1. 9という数字の意味

「9」は完成、始まりと終わり（アルファとオメガ）を象徴する極めて強力な数字であるとされる。この洞察に基づき、彼は「9Vibes」という活動を開始した。

3.2. 432日暦の提唱

現在のグレゴリオ暦は宇宙のサイクルと同期していないとし、数字の9に基づいた新たな暦体系を提唱している。

項目	提案される暦体系
1週間の日数	9日
1ヶ月の週数	4週
1ヶ月の日数	36日 (9日 × 4週)
1年の日数	432日 (36日 × 12ヶ月)

この432という数字は、宇宙の根源的な調和を示す重要な数であるとされている。

• 数秘術的調和: 4 + 3 + 2 = 9 となり、「9」に帰結する。
• 音楽との関連: バッハやベートーヴェンが楽器の調律に用いた周波数に関連する。
• 光速との関連: 432の2乗（186,624マイル/秒）は、NASAが合意した光の速度（186,282マイル/秒）とわずか342マイル/秒の差しかなく、極めて近い値である。
• 宇宙サイクルとの関連:
  • 432日/年 × 5年 = 2,160年。この2,160という数字は、月の直径（マイル）と一致する。
  • 2,160年 × 12星座 = 25,920年。これは地球の歳差運動（春分点が黄道十二宮を一周する期間）の周期と完全に一致する。

この暦体系は、「上なるものは下なるもののごとし」という宇宙法則を体現しており、より自然な時間の流れに内面的に同調することを可能にするとされる。

4. 実践的応用：「36日間の旅」

クレイマー氏は、NDEで得た知識を日常生活で活用するための具体的な手法として「36日間の旅」を提唱している。これはニコラ・テスラが言及した「3、6、9の壮大さ」に基づいている。

4.1. 概要と目的

36日間のサイクルを通じて特定のパターンを宇宙に示すことで、ヒーリング、豊かさの実現、自己成長など、望む現実を創造・顕現させることを目的とする。

4.2. プロセス

このプロセスは、4つの要素（宣言、確約、行動、増幅）を、3、6、9の倍数の日に段階的に実行していく。

日	実行する要素	内容
Day 1	宣言 (Declaration)	36日間で達成したい目標を「私はこれを成し遂げる」と宇宙に宣言する。
Day 3	宣言 + 確約 (Affirmation)	宣言を読み上げ、目標に関連するアファメーションを唱える。
Day 6	宣言 + 確約 + 行動 (Action)	上記に加え、目標達成に繋がる具体的な行動を起こす。
Day 9	宣言 + 確約 + 行動 + 増幅 (Amplification)	上記に加え、その行動をさらに増幅させるような行為を行う。

この9日間のパターンを、12日目（1+2=3）、15日目（1+5=6）、18日目（1+8=9）と、36日間を通じて一貫して繰り返す。

4.3. パターンの確立

この手法の鍵は、一貫したパターンを確立することにある。人間が意識的・無意識的に特定のパターン（例えば「私には不安がある」という思考と行動）を繰り返すことで、不安という現実を固定化するのと同じ原理で、肯定的なパターンを確立することで、宇宙がそのパターンを模倣し、望む結果がもたらされる。

5. 現実の多次元モデル：3D, 4D, 5D

クレイマー氏は、我々が体験する現実は単一ではなく、電子の電荷によって定義される複数の次元から構成されていると説明する。

5.1. 電子の電荷に基づく次元定義

• 3D（三次元）:
  • 電子の電荷: 負 (-)
  • 特徴: 我々が現在いる物質世界。電子が負であるため、病気、貧困、怒りといったネガティブな事象を経験しやすい。これは、全ての種子がまず暗い土の中から始まるのと同じで、成長のための出発点である。3Dでの経験は、5Dで何を望むかを定義するために必要不可欠である。
• 4D（四次元）:
  • 電子の電荷: 中性 (0)
  • 特徴: 臨死体験や体外離脱体験が起こる非物質的な空間。電子が中性であるため、物理的な抵抗が存在しない。ここでは時間が拡張され、ライフレビューなどを通じて人生のあらゆる疑問に対する答えや癒しが得られる。カルマはこの次元で完全に解消される。
• 5D（五次元）:
  • 電子の電荷: 正 (+)
  • 特徴: 電子が正であるため、健康、幸福、豊かさを容易に経験できる、もう一つの物質世界。4Dで時間拡張が起こるため、3Dで生きていた愛する者たちも既に5Dに到達しており、再会は必然である。3Dでの経験を通じて望んだものが全て揃っており、宇宙との完全な調和の中でそれを享受する。

6. 死、転生、そして現実創造に関する洞察

6.1. 死の本質

クレイマー氏によれば、死は恐れるべきものではない。

• 移行プロセス: 死は終わりではなく、4D、5Dへと続く移行プロセスである。
• 苦痛の消滅: 人が「これが最後の瞬間だ」と決意した時点で、身体的な痛みや苦しみは完全にシャットダウンされる。苦痛は「生きていることの証」であり、死のプロセスそのものには存在しない。

6.2. 転生の目的

従来のカルマ解消のための転生という考え方を否定する。

• カルマの解消: カルマは4Dで完全に解決されるため、それを解消するために3Dに戻る必要はない。
• 新たな旅: 転生は、5Dでの経験を終え、全く新しい経験、新しい人間関係を求めて、自らの意思で新たな旅を始めるために行われる。

6.3. 現実創造の力

人間は自らの現実を創造する非常に強力な存在である。病気やネガティブな状況は、悪霊や外部要因によるものではなく、自らの思考、言葉、行動のパターンによって生み出される。チャクラやコアメモリワークを通じて、これらのネガティブなエネルギーを解放し、ヒーリングを促進することが可能である。

7. Ufologyとの関連性と情報の源泉

7.1. Ufologyとの統計的関連

インタビュアーのグラント・キャメロン氏は、クレイマー氏の体験がUfologyの分野で見られる現象と類似している点を指摘している。

• NDEとUFO体験: UFO体験者の37%がNDEを経験しているという統計（一般人口では5%）があり、両者には強い相関関係が見られる。
• 情報のダウンロード: クレイマー氏の「情報の洪水」は、UFO体験者が報告する「ラピッド・イメージ・サイクリング」（高速での画像伝達）に似ている。

7.2. 情報の源泉

クレイマー氏が得た知識の源について、彼の理解は変化した。

• 初期の理解: 幼少期から教会に通っていたため、当初はその声や知識の源を「神」だと考えていた。
• 現在の理解: 現在は、その源泉を‌‌「ザ・フィールド（The Field）」または「統一圧力場（Unified Pressure Field）」‌‌と呼んでいる。これは、宇宙に遍在し、相互作用する生きた情報源であり、個人が問いかければ応答する存在である。ニコラ・テスラが言及した「全ての情報が存在する単一の場所」と同一のものであると考えられる。

8. クレイマー氏の活動とリソース

クレイマー氏は、NDEで得た知識を共有するため、多岐にわたる活動を展開している。

• ウェブサイト: 9vibesuniversal.com（彼のNDEストーリー、432日暦に連動した「コズミック・クロック」、各種リソースを掲載）
• オンラインツール: Journey.9VibesUniversal（「36日間の旅」を実践するためのカレンダー作成ツール）
• Facebookグループ:
  • 9 Vibes Universal: 彼の教えの中心となるグループ。
  • Matrix Mysteries: 現実の中の小さな不具合（グリッチ）を共有し、統一圧力場の観点から解説するグループ（会員数約100万人）。
• 著作:
  • Becoming the Pattern: 「36日間の旅」について解説した書籍。
  • The Field Remembers: 99の質問に答える形式で彼の洞察をまとめた書籍。
• 提供サービス:
  • 個人セッション（1時間108ドル）
  • 不定期のオンラインクラス（グリーフ、シジル作成など）
  • Patreon（限定情報やクラスへの自動登録特典を提供）

NDE と UFO 現象の関連性

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デヴォン・クレイマー氏の臨死体験（NDE）と彼が提唱する「9Vibes」（9の波動）のより大きな文脈において、これらの資料は ‌‌NDEとUFO現象との間に強い関連性がある‌‌ ことを示唆しています。

資料が述べているNDEとUFO現象の関連性についての要点は以下の通りです。

1. 統計に基づく関連性の指摘

ポッドキャストのホストであるグラント・キャメロン氏は、NDEとUFO現象が「‌‌非常に強く関連している‌‌」と断言しています。

• 彼は、非人間的知性との接触を主張する‌‌UFO体験者のうち37%がNDEも経験している‌‌という統計を引用しています。
• これは、一般的に期待される割合である5%を大きく上回るものであり、UFO体験者とNDE体験者の間に‌‌多くのクロスオーバー（重複）がある‌‌ことが示されています。

2. 知識のダウンロードとUFO現象との類似

デヴォン・クレイマー氏のNDEの中心は、膨大な量の情報、すなわち「‌‌知識の洪水 (flood of information)‌‌」を受け取ったことです。この知識の取得プロセスは、UFOロジーで議論される現象と比較されています。

• ‌‌急速な画像循環 (Rapid Image Cycling):‌‌ グラント・キャメロン氏は、デヴォン氏が経験した情報の洪水が、UFO学において、船上などで大量の情報を人間にインプットする際に用いられるとされる「急速な画像循環」と比較できるかどうかを尋ねています。
• ‌‌宇宙のコード (The Universal Code):‌‌ キャメロン氏は、デヴォン氏が受け取った数字と、1980年にイギリスの米空軍基地外で発生した‌‌レンドルシャムの森のUFO遭遇事件‌‌において、ある人物が宇宙船に触れた際に頭に入ってきた「コード」が、‌‌本質的に同じように聞こえる‌‌と指摘しています。キャメロン氏は、デヴォン氏が宇宙の構造に関する同じ数字のパターンを持っていると考え、そのコードを持つジミー・ブランシェット氏との接触を提案しています。
• ‌‌普遍的な答えの認識:‌‌ UFO体験者の40%が経験中に宇宙のすべての答えを知っていたと主張し、NDE体験者の31%が同じように宇宙のすべてを知っていたと述べている点も、両現象の類似性を示すものとして挙げられています。デヴォン氏は、その知識を持ち帰ることを許された数少ない一人でした。

3. 普遍的な数学的構造（9の波動）の共有

デヴォン氏がNDEを通して学んだ知識（後に「9Vibes Universal」として体系化）は、宇宙が数学的なパターンで構成され、‌‌すべてが協調的で調和している‌‌という考えに基づいています。

• デヴォン氏の教えでは、9という数字（完全性、始まりと終わり）や、432（年の日数として提唱される数字であり、光の速度や月の直径とも関連する）、およびフィボナッチ数列などの数学的整合性が強調されています。
• キャメロン氏は、デヴォン氏が持つこの「‌‌すべてがすべてに適合する‌‌」という理解や、数字の驚くほどの適合性（例えば、光速との近さや歳差運動の周期）が、UFO現象から得られる情報と一致していると見なしています。
• さらに、デヴォン氏は、地球の周波数が青（喉のチャクラ）から次の色であるインディゴに変化した際に、‌‌エイリアンを含む他の周波数の種族‌‌と大規模な方法で交流できるようになるだろうと示唆しています。このコミュニケーションには、ユニバーサル定数である137などが用いられるだろうと述べています。

つまり、資料は、NDEとUFO現象が単に統計的に重複しているだけでなく、両方の体験において、‌‌宇宙の根底にある数学的で高度に構造化された真実（デヴォン氏の言う「9の波動」や普遍的なコード）が示される‌‌という点で、本質的な情報共有の場となっていることを強く示唆しています。これは、宇宙が完璧に調整された壮大なパターンであり、数学はそのパターンを記述しているにすぎないという考えを裏付けています。

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‌‌（比喩による補足）‌‌ デヴォン・クレイマー氏のNDEとUFO現象の関連性は、まるで二つの異なる窓（NDEという窓とUFO体験という窓）から同じ壮大な図書館（宇宙の普遍的な知識）を覗き見ているようなものです。窓は違えど、見えている本棚やそこに並べられた分類記号（数字やコード）は驚くほど一致しており、それによって図書館の設計図（宇宙の数学的構造）が浮かび上がってくる、と捉えることができます。

Devon Kramer のNDE

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デヴォン・クレイマー氏の臨死体験（NDE）は、彼が後に「9Vibes Universal」（9の波動）として体系化した、‌‌宇宙の構造と普遍的な数学的真実に関する広範な知識‌‌を獲得する直接的な原因となりました。

これらの資料は、クレイマー氏のNDEについて、その発生状況から得られた知識、そしてその後の人生と教えに与えた影響まで、詳細に説明しています。

1. NDEの発生と初期の感覚

クレイマー氏は、2017年1月20日にNDEを経験しました。彼は腎不全や腎臓感染症などの重い病気を患い、2年間で22回も入退院を繰り返していました。

• ‌‌肉体の停止:‌‌ 彼は「体がシャットダウンしていく」感覚を覚え、パニックになり911に電話をかけましたが、途中で倒れました。彼の体験は、まるで‌‌コンピューターが順次シャットダウンしていく‌‌ようだと表現されています。
• ‌‌知覚の変化:‌‌ 意識が体から離れると、彼は‌‌時間が流れていると同時に時間の外にいる‌‌ように感じました。彼は、自分を取り巻く‌‌エネルギーグリッドライン‌‌や、家の中の物を構成している実際のエネルギーを見ることができました。
• ‌‌静止した世界:‌‌ NDEの瞬間、テレビの画面（大統領就任式のニュースが流れていた）は完全にフリーズし、何も動いていませんでした。
• ‌‌個人の経験であることの認識:‌‌ 彼は世界が終末を迎えたのかと考えましたが、突然声が聞こえ、「違う、これはあなたに関することだ」と告げられ、自分が死んだことを悟りました。

2. 圧倒的な感情と知識のダウンロード

NDE中、クレイマー氏は計り知れない感情と情報を受け取りました。

• ‌‌圧倒的な愛と変容:‌‌ 彼は、‌‌「思いやり、理解、愛」に満ちた圧倒的なエネルギー‌‌を感じました。その瞬間に、彼は‌‌完全で、満たされ、愛され、安心している‌‌と感じました。
• ‌‌恐怖症の解消:‌‌ NDE以前、彼は12年以上もレストランや映画館に行ったことがないほどの‌‌極度の広場恐怖症（agoraphobic）‌‌でしたが、NDEの瞬間にその感覚は消え去りました。
• ‌‌エネルギーによる動きの観察:‌‌ 彼は窓の外でウサギが動いているのを見ましたが、‌‌ウサギ自体が動いているのではなく、エネルギーによって押されている‌‌のを見ました。
• ‌‌知識の流入:‌‌ 落ち着いて座った瞬間、「‌‌知識の洪水 (flood of information)‌‌」が訪れました。彼はこれを、量子力学と情報で満たされた5冊の本が目の前にあるのに、読み方を知らない状態に例えています。
• ‌‌光の扉と帰還:‌‌ 彼は、倒れた場所に横たわる自分の肉体と、自分に近づいてきた飼い犬を見ました。その後、彼は‌‌巨大で途方もなく大きな扉‌‌を見ました。その背後には光があり、彼は体の細胞のすべてがその扉に向かって行きたいと強く望みました。しかし、扉に到達する前に、彼は救急隊員（EMT）がいる場所で目を覚ましました。

3. NDEから得られた知識とその応用（9Vibesの誕生）

クレイマー氏はNDEで受け取った情報を地球に持ち帰ることを許された数少ない人物の一人であり、その知識が「9Vibes Universal」の基盤となりました。

• ‌‌普遍的な数学的パターン:‌‌ 彼は、宇宙が‌‌9という数字‌‌（完全性、始まりと終わり）を中心とした数学的パターンで構成されていることを学びました。
• ‌‌時間の再定義:‌‌ 彼は、現在の365日の暦ではなく、9日を1週間とし、1年を‌‌432日‌‌とする周期が、歳差運動の周期（25,920年）や月の直径（2,160マイル）など、宇宙の重要な定数と‌‌完全に整合する‌‌ことを発見しました。
• ‌‌物理法則の洞察:‌‌ 彼は、重力は「引く力（pole）」ではなく「‌‌押す力（push）‌‌」である（統一圧力場：unified pressure field）という情報を得ました。
• ‌‌人生の劇的な変化と治癒:‌‌ NDEの数か月後、彼は受け取った情報を書き出し（約100冊のノートになった）、それを生活に応用し始めました。その結果、‌‌回復不能とされていた腎臓の病気を治癒させ‌‌、広場恐怖症を克服しました。
• ‌‌知識の共有と指導:‌‌ 彼は、この知識を基に「Becoming the Pattern」などの書籍を執筆し、3, 6, 9の法則を用いた「‌‌36日間の旅‌‌」と呼ばれる目標達成のための方法論を教えています。このシステムは、宇宙（フィールド）にパターンを示し、そのパターンを人生に反映させるためのものです。

4. NDEと多次元世界の関連性

クレイマー氏は、NDEを多次元的な移行のプロセスとして説明しています。

• ‌‌3D（現実）:‌‌ エレクトロンが‌‌負‌‌であり、病気や怒り、貧困などが現れやすい空間。
• ‌‌4D（移行）:‌‌ 肉体が3Dを離れ、エレクトロンが‌‌中立（neutral）‌‌になる空間。NDEはこの4Dで起こり、ここでは抵抗がないため、時間も拡張され、現実的な制約がなくなります。この段階でカルマなどが解消されます。
• ‌‌5D（高次元）:‌‌ エレクトロンが‌‌正‌‌になり、健康、幸福、豊かさが容易に達成できる空間。NDE体験者は4Dで必要な理解を得ており、5Dではすべてが揃っているため、‌‌過去のカルマを解決するために3Dに戻る必要はない‌‌と説明されています。輪廻転生が起こるのは、まったく新しい旅を始める準備ができた時だけだとしています。

デヴォン・クレイマー氏のNDEは、単なる死の瀬戸際の体験ではなく、宇宙の根源的な設計図（数学的構造）をダウンロードし、その情報を適用することで、肉体的・精神的な治癒や現実の変容を実現した、極めて具体的な「‌‌普遍的知識の転送イベント‌‌」であったと言えます。

死の淵で見た宇宙の真実：デヴォン・クレイマー氏の臨死体験

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序章：人生を変えた一日

2017年1月20日、デヴォン・クレイマー氏の人生は永遠に変わりました。この日、彼は死の淵を彷徨い、宇宙の根源的な真実に触れるという、壮絶な臨死体験（Near-Death Experience, NDE）を経験します。

しかし、この体験に至るまでの彼の人生は、決して平坦なものではありませんでした。当時、彼は腎不全や敗血症といった重い病に苦しみ、過去2年間で22回もの入退院を繰り返す日々を送っていました。それに加え、12年以上もの間、レストランにさえ行けないほどの深刻な広場恐怖症に悩まされており、彼の世界は心身ともに閉ざされていたのです。

そんな彼が垣間見た世界は、単なる不思議な物語ではありません。それは、一人の人間の人生を根底から覆し、宇宙の叡智を携えて新たな目的へと導いた、奇跡の記録です。

1. 世界が停止した日

その日は、何も変わったことのない「ごく普通の日」として始まりました。しかし、それはクレイマー氏の世界が、文字通り停止する日となったのです。

1.1. 突然の身体シャットダウン

愛犬と遊んでいた穏やかな時間の中、彼の身体に異変が訪れます。それはまるでコンピューターが強制終了されるかのように、身体の機能が一つ、また一つと停止していく感覚でした。生命のシステムが、彼の意志とは無関係にシャットダウンしていく恐怖に、彼は襲われました。

1.2. 最後の通話と崩壊

パニックに陥った彼は、最後の力を振り絞ってスマートフォンを掴み、911に緊急通報します。「身体の機能が停止していく」とオペレーターに伝えている最中、彼の意識は途切れ、通話を終えることもできずにその場に崩れ落ちてしまいました。

肉体を離れた彼が見たのは、我々の知る世界とは全く異なる、驚くべき現実でした。

2. 死を超えた世界の知覚

肉体という枷から解き放たれたクレイマー氏の意識は、新たな次元の知覚を始めます。それは、物理法則を超えた、エネルギーと情報に満ちた世界でした。

2.1. エネルギーで構成された世界

意識を取り戻した彼は、自分が時間の内側と外側に同時に存在しているような、奇妙な感覚に包まれていました。周囲を見渡すと、家の中にあるすべての物が、エネルギーでできたグリッドライン（格子線）として見え、万物がエネルギーによって構成されていることを直感的に理解しました。

その時、テレビは2017年1月20日の大統領就任式のニュースを映していましたが、その画面は完全に静止していました。時間が止まったかのような光景は、彼がもはや通常の物理次元にいないことを物語っていました。

2.2. 「これは、あなたについての物語だ」

「何かとてつもなく悪いことが起きたに違いない」——彼がそう思った瞬間、どこからともなく声が聞こえました。 「いいや、これは君自身の問題だ」

その言葉によって、彼は自分が死んだのだと悟りました。これは世界の終わりではなく、彼自身の物語の、一つの終焉だったのです。

2.3. 完全な愛と一体感

死を悟った直後、彼の全身を圧倒的なエネルギーが包み込みました。それは「慈悲、理解、愛」そのものでした。12年以上も彼を苦しめてきた広場恐怖症の不安や恐怖は完全に消え去り、そこにはただ、満たされ、愛され、守られているという、完全な安心感だけがありました。言葉では到底表現しきれないほどの、完璧な一体感でした。

2.4. 宇宙の知識の洪水

その圧倒的な愛の中で、彼はしばらく座り、すべてを受け入れていました。その時です。彼の意識に、膨大な情報がなだれ込んできたのです。それはまさに「知識の洪水」でした。数学が苦手で、量子物理学の知識など全くなかった彼に、宇宙の構造に関する情報が、理解を超えたスピードで一気に流れ込んできたのです。

彼はこの状態を、「目の前に5冊の本があるのに、その読み方を知らないような感覚。すべての知識が与えられたのに、それをどう扱えばいいのか全く分からなかった」と表現しています。重力は「引力」ではなく、統一された圧力場からの「斥力（押す力）」であるといった、常識を覆す宇宙の法則が、次々とダウンロードされていきました。

2.5. 光の扉への誘い

知識の洪水を浴びた後、彼はふと視線を転じ、床に倒れている自分の肉体を発見しました。彼は愛犬を呼びました。すると驚くべきことに、犬は彼の霊的な姿を認識し、その足元に寄り添ってきたのです。その直後、彼の目の前に巨大で荘厳な扉が現れました。扉の向こうからはまばゆい光が放たれており、彼の身体中の全細胞が、抗いがたい力でその光に引きつけられていくのを感じました。

しかし、彼がその光の扉にたどり着く直前、物語は新たな局面を迎えます。

3. 帰還、そして新たな始まり

光への引力に身を任せようとした瞬間、彼の意識は再び肉体へと引き戻されました。それは死からの帰還であり、まったく新しい人生の幕開けでした。

3.1. 現実への再起動

彼が目を開けると、そこには救急隊員（EMT）たちの顔がありました。感覚はすぐには戻りませんでした。まるでコンピューターが再起動するように、聴覚や視覚がゆっくりとオンラインになっていく感覚でした。すべてが徐々に焦点を取り戻し、彼は自分が生還したことを知りました。

3.2. 人生を変えた診断

病院での検査の結果、彼は33歳という若さで脳内出血と軽い脳卒中を起こしていたことが判明します。この診断は、彼の人生における決定的な「転換点」となりました。

3.3. 変化の始まり

退院後、彼は数ヶ月にわたり、臨死体験中に受け取った膨大な情報をノートに書き留め続けました。そして、その難解な知識を自らの人生に適用し始めたのです。

その知識を実践することで、彼の人生には、医学さえも覆す奇跡的な変化が起こり始めました。

4. 奇跡の変容：臨死体験がもたらした変化

臨死体験で得た叡智を応用し始めたクレイマー氏の人生は、以前とは比較にならないほど劇的に変わりました。その変化は、身体的、精神的、そして人生の目的にまで及びました。

変化の側面	臨死体験 以前 (Before)	臨死体験 以後 (After)
身体的変化	腎不全を患い、2年間で22回の入退院を繰り返す。	完治は不可能とされた腎臓が完全に回復。デューク大学病院の医師もその回復を説明できなかった。
精神的変化	12年以上レストランにも行けない深刻な広場恐怖症。	広場恐怖症を克服し、外の世界へ出て人と自由に交流できるようになった。
人生の目的	グラフィックデザインとドッグトレーナーとして活動。	宇宙の法則を教える「9Vibes」を設立し、多くの人々を導く指導者となった。

5. 「向こう側」から持ち帰った叡智

クレイマー氏が受け取った知識は、単なる神秘的な体験談ではありません。それは、私たちの誰もが人生に応用できる、宇宙の普遍的な法則でした。彼が持ち帰った深遠な叡智の一部を紹介します。

5.1. 宇宙の根源にある「9」という数字

彼は、数字の「9」が宇宙において極めてパワフルな意味を持つと語ります。「9」は完成を象徴すると同時に、物事の‌‌始まりと終わり（アルファとオメガ）‌‌を示す、根源的な数字であると説明しています。彼の活動「9Vibes」も、この洞察に基づいています。

5.2. 魂の旅の宇宙設計図：3D・4D・5D

彼は、私たちが見せられた「魂の旅の宇宙的な設計図」について語ります。それは、電子の電荷によって定義される、3つの次元階層です。

• 3D（三次元）
  • 私たちが生きる物理的な世界。‌‌「負の電子」‌‌に支配され、病気、貧困、怒りといったネガティブな体験をしやすい性質を持つ。しかし、これは罰ではありません。あらゆる種子が暗い土の中から光を目指すように、魂が本当に望むものを知り、成長するために不可欠な「始まりの闇」なのです。
• 4D（四次元）
  • 臨死体験中に訪れる世界。‌‌「中立の電子」‌‌で構成されており、物理的な抵抗が存在しません。ここでは時間が直線的ではなく、人生のレビュー（ライフレビュー）を通じて、生前のカルマがすべて解消されます。そのため、来世はカルマの返済のためではなく、「全く新しい旅」のために始まります。
• 5D（五次元）
  • 4Dでの学びを終えた魂が移行する世界。‌‌「正の電子」‌‌に支配されており、健康、幸福、豊かさを体験することが容易になります。時空を超え、愛する人との再会が約束された場所でもあります。

5.3. 現実を創造する鍵：3-6-9の法則

彼の人生を変えた最も実践的な教えが、ニコラ・テスラの思想に由来する「3-6-9の法則」を応用した36日間のサイクルです。私たちは思考と行動のパターンを通じて、病気も健康も含め、自らの現実を創造する力強い存在であると彼は説きます。

• サイクル開始（1日目）： 36日間で達成したいことを「宣言」として明確に記述する。
• 3日目： 「宣言」を読み上げ、それを補強する「アファメーション（肯定的な断言）」を唱える。
• 6日目： 「宣言」「アファメーション」に加え、目標に繋がる具体的な「行動」を起こす。
• 9日目： 上記3つに加え、その「行動」をさらに強化する「増幅（amplification）」を行う。
• 継続： この3、6、9のパターンを、12日目（1+2=3）、15日目（1+5=6）、18日目（1+8=9）と、36日間繰り返す。

このパターンを宇宙に示すことで、宇宙はそのパターンを私たちに映し返してくれるのです。

5.4. 死への新しい見方

彼の体験が示す最も希望に満ちたメッセージの一つは、死生観の変革です。死は恐ろしい終わりではなく、単なる移行に過ぎないと彼は語ります。

「人が『これが最後の瞬間だ』と決断したその時から、痛みはもはや存在しなくなるのです。」

苦しみや痛みは生きていることを証明するための感覚であり、死のプロセスそのものには存在しないのです。

結び：すべては繋がっている

デヴォン・クレイマー氏の物語は、一個人の不思議な体験談に留まりません。それは、この宇宙が「上なるものは下なるもののごとし」という言葉の通り、ランダムではなく、精緻な数学的法則のもとに成り立っていることを示す壮大なメッセージです。

そして何より、私たちがその宇宙の法則を理解し、3-6-9のサイクルのようなツールを用いることで、単なる運命の受け手ではなく、自らの現実を意識的に創造できる力強い存在であることを教えてくれます。彼の物語は、私たち一人ひとりが自らの人生、そして「死」というものを見つめ直し、より深く、より豊かに生きるための、貴重な道標となるでしょう。

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GRANT CAMERON with Near Death Experiencer Devon Kramer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmD1V5j9fWY

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（以下は "GRANT CAMERON with Near Death Experiencer Devon Kramer" と題された podcast の文字起こしです。話者識別ずみ。）

[Cindy Voll] : Well, you're going to say good morning, good afternoon. (00:00:09)

[Grant Cameron] : Oh, you want that? Oh, that's the old part. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are in the world. My name is Grant Cameron and I want to thank you for taking time from your valuable day to listen to me. And now Cindy talks. Cindy is my co-host for a number of interviews. She's up in the penthouse on top of an apartment here in Salt Lake City. And we have a special guest into near-death experiences because I've gotten into them. (00:00:41)

[Grant Cameron] : They're highly related to UFOs for people who know the stats. If you take a look at all the UFO experiencers who claim they've had interactions with non-human intelligence, 37% will say they've had a near-death experience, when it should be 5%. So I've been doing a lot of study and you see a lot of crossovers between UFO experiences and near-death experiences. So we have a near-death experiencer on today and I'll let Cindy take it from here. (00:01:09)

[Cindy Voll] : Hi. So I came across Devin's NDE on one of those YouTube. He said he's been interviewed 12 times. His NDE was incredible because it had to do with numerology. That whole realm just completely opened up. I can't say very much because it's so complex. But I think it's really worthwhile for Devin to explain it in details. Because I think, if I remember correctly, even our calendar years shouldn't be 365 days. And he'll go into detail and explain. (00:01:54)

[Cindy Voll] : I purposefully scheduled Devin to speak today because it's September 9th and we're in the 9th year, 2025. When you add those numbers together, it's a 9. And 9 is a universal number. It's very significant. It's often said it's the beginning and the end of an event or something. So it's nothing negative or positive. It just is. And I think Devin's going to poetically and beautifully educate us on the number 9 and numerology. So welcome, Devin. (00:02:36)

[Devon Kramer] : Thank you. Thank you very much for having me. (00:02:39)

[Cindy Voll] : Of course. (00:02:40)

[Devon Kramer] : So, yeah. Basically, I started something called 9Vibes because of the fact that 9 is a very powerful number. As you said, it is completion. It is the alpha and the omega when you're actually looking at different numbers. And I learned all of this from my NDE experience. So in January 20th, 2017 was the day that I died, the day that I had my NDE experience. At the time, I was extremely ill. I was in and out of the hospital about 22 times. (00:03:17)

[Devon Kramer] : I had kidney failure. I had kidney infections. I went septic in the hospital. It was just a very rough two years that I was going through. And so one day, it was just a normal day. I was playing with my dog. And all of a sudden, I felt like my body was shutting down. And it's the only way I can kind of explain this. It's kind of like with a computer, right? Everything was just shutting down one after another. (00:03:43)

[Devon Kramer] : So I grabbed my phone in a panic. I called 911. And I had told them this, that I felt like everything was shutting down. And so I didn't even finish the phone call before I had collapsed. (00:03:56)

[Cindy Voll] : Wow. (00:03:57)

[Devon Kramer] : So at this point, I get up and I notice instantly nothing is what it was before. I felt like I was almost inside of time and outside of time. I actually saw energy grid lines all around me. Like I could actually see the energy and what made the things up in my house with actual energy. I had walked around the corner of my house. And on January 20, 2017, it was the inauguration of the president. So there was news all over, you know, on every channel. (00:04:31)

[Devon Kramer] : And when I went around the corner, the TV was completely frozen. There was absolutely nothing moving on the TV. And so at this point, I thought to myself, something bad happened. I thought maybe it was an apocalyptic event, you know, something along those lines. And at the point that I had thought that thought, all of a sudden, this voice came and said, No, this is about you. And so at this moment, I realized I died. It was me. (00:04:59)

[Devon Kramer] : This was personal experience. And so at that exact moment, I had this overwhelming energy of just compassion, understanding, love. So prior to this moment, I was extremely agoraphobic. I hadn't been to a restaurant or a movie theater in over 12 years. And so in the moment that I'm standing there, I felt complete. I felt whole. I felt loved. I felt secure. It's unlike anything I could ever describe. And so I remember looking out the window, and I saw this bunny. (00:05:36)

[Devon Kramer] : This bunny was moving across the grass, and I could see all the energy. But what was so fascinating was that the bunny was actually being pushed by energy. So normally when we see something move, we think that it's the thing that's moving. But I could actually see this energy pushing this bunny at this time. And so I didn't really know what to do in this situation. And so I had basically kind of sat down for a moment and was taking all of this in. (00:06:03)

[Devon Kramer] : And that was the moment that the knowledge came. This was a flood of information. The way that I like to explain it is if you were to have five books in front of you, completely full of just quantum mechanics and numbers and information, but you don't know how to read it. So it's like I had all this knowledge that was given to me, but I really didn't know what to do with it. And so as I'm sitting there, I remember this moment that I was like, Okay, I've died. (00:06:32)

[Devon Kramer] : I know that what's coming next is basically around the corner. And so I didn't want to do it alone. So I called my lab over and I remember that my lab actually saw me. So at the point that I had turned to call my lab is where I saw my body laying where I had fallen. And so my lab actually came over to me. And at the point that my lab had come over, I then saw these doors, these massive, insanely huge doors. And whatever was behind them was this light. (00:07:03)

[Devon Kramer] : And the only thing that I knew in that moment was I wanted to go towards these doors. I knew every cell in my body wanted to go towards these doors. And so I was petting my lab at this point in time. And I'm moving closer and closer and closer to these actual doors. And then before I actually reach them, next thing I know, I am looking up from where I fell. There are two EMTs that are standing above me that are trying to get me to speak, trying to get me to wake up. (00:07:36)

[Devon Kramer] : And again, it was just like a computer. Things were slowly just starting up at this point. I couldn't hear out of both my ears. I could barely see out of both my eyes. So everything was kind of coming back in to focus for me. And then at that point in time, I had officially been awake. And so this actually started the moment I found out I had a brain bleed. I found out that I'd had a mini stroke. (00:08:00)

[Devon Kramer] : I was 33 years old, so I was very young for a stroke. But this was the changing moment because what I had done is I had written down for months, just written down all this information that I had received, and then I started applying it into my life. And as I was applying it into my life, my life changed drastically. I healed my kidneys, which is something that is considered impossible to do. I was seeing doctors at Duke Hospital who had no answers as to how my kidneys were able to reverse. (00:08:34)

[Devon Kramer] : I started no longer being agoraphobic. I went out in the world. I just completely changed. And so from that point, I had started 9-5s. I started teaching people. (00:08:47)

[Cindy Voll] : What an amazing, amazing, amazing story. (00:08:54)

[Devon Kramer] : It was very powerful. (00:08:57)

[Cindy Voll] : All these near-death experiences, every single one of them, are all so profound, so enlightening. So Devin, can you help us understand or re-educate me what you have said to me about our calendar, the minutes, the years, why it's that we could do better than the system that we currently have? (00:09:27)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. So when you look at time, time is really fascinating. Time is a three-fold thing. It is a constant, it is a variable, and it is also an illusion. And what I mean by that is that time must exist for us to even have this conversation. There has to be something to compare to. And so therefore, it is a constant. But it is also a variable. We are constantly changing it. When you go back to biblical days, it was 360 days in a year. (00:09:53)

[Devon Kramer] : When you go behind that, it was 384. It just is constantly changing. And even when we get to 1582, that is when it was officially changed to the calendar that we currently have right now. And so I started looking at my notes, and I started to understand that since time is very much a variable, there had to have been something that was more aligned than basically what we were living. Because what we are living does not align even with the procession of the equinox. (00:10:21)

[Devon Kramer] : So the procession of the equinox is the earth rotating through all 12 zodiacs. And so when you do it with 365 or 365.24, none of that aligns. But when you actually take and align it with the understanding of 9, so if we actually had 9 days a week instead of 7, we would have 4 weeks. And that would give you 36 days. 36 times 12 months takes you to 432 days a year. Now 432 is a very important number on top of the fact that 4 plus 3 plus 2 is of course going to be a 9. It is something that Bach and Beethoven used when they were tuning their instruments in their orchestras. (00:11:02)

[Devon Kramer] : It is something that is used when you are dealing with the speed of light. 432 squared is only 342 miles off of the actual NASA agreement of 186,282 miles per second. And so 432 squared is 186,624 miles per second. It is exceptionally close. And if you take that 432 days a year and you multiply that by 5 years, you end up with 2160. And 2160 is the diameter of the moon. So when you take that 2160 and you times it by our 12 zodiacs, as I talked about the procession, you end up landing at 25,920 years. (00:11:48)

[Devon Kramer] : And that is the full procession of the equinox. So all of that fits perfectly into almost a container. One into the next into the next. And so that is something that I teach people. We can't change the year the way that we want to, but we absolutely can internally align with a different year, a different time that actually works with the As Above, So Below. (00:12:10)

[SPEAKER_03] : Wow. (00:12:13)

[Grant Cameron] : Can I ask a question? Have you met Jimmy Blanchett? (00:12:17)

[Devon Kramer] : I haven't. (00:12:20)

[Grant Cameron] : Do you know who he is? (00:12:21)

[Devon Kramer] : I do not. (00:12:22)

[Grant Cameron] : Okay, I'll put you in contact with him. He's coming from a different perspective. There's a code, if you know the whole Rendlesham Forest story. 1980 UFO encounter outside a US Air Force base in England. The one guy touches a craft, he gets this code in his head. And it basically sounds like you've got the same code. So I'll put you in contact with Jimmy Blanchett. He's got all the numbers. (00:12:46)

[Grant Cameron] : We're about to interview him. I'm not sure whether we've set it up yet since he's traveling, but I've done a number of interviews with him. And it's the same sort of thing where you start to see everything fits into everything. And everything is well coordinated. And, you know, all the numbers are there. And if you see it, you go, well, this is chance or it's not. And you're going like, give it your head a shake. (00:13:10)

[Grant Cameron] : There's no way this is chance. It's just so bizarre how it all fits together. So I'll put you in contact with Jimmy Blanchett. But let me ask you a question about the flood of info. One of the things I look at, and I just want to ask you, how is this coming? Was it coming in images? Was it just the sense of stuff going into your head? Can you detail a little bit about what you call the flood of information? (00:13:31)

[Grant Cameron] : Because there is, in ufology, we call it rapid image cycling, which is apparently used when they're putting huge amounts of information in, say, a person on board a ship or something. I want to see if yours compares. So can you give me a little more detail on what you call the flood of information, how it was coming? (00:13:52)

[Devon Kramer] : Yeah, absolutely. So the flood of information definitely came in what I would consider visual as well as just this kind of upload of knowledge. And the reason I say visual is because one of the very first set of numbers that I had received was this number 137649. And the next one right after that was 862350. And I had no idea what either of these actually meant. And it wasn't until I learned vortex math that I actually were able to figure out what these are. 137649 is actually the alpha number, and 862350 is the omega number. (00:14:32)

[Devon Kramer] : And when you align them on top of each other, they're perfectly aligned with 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 6 times. And so that would be an example of what I was actually seeing. I was seeing these numbers that were being given to me. But at the same exact time, I was also receiving information such as, you know, we look at gravity as a pole. Gravity is actually a push. It is the understanding of the unified pressure field, whereas we kind of reverse that with a pole. (00:15:02)

[Devon Kramer] : Everything is about, you know, being pulled into something when in reality is about a push. So I was seeing that. I was receiving time dilation. I love watching movies like Interstellar and being able to apply this push understanding and kind of answering what they were able to demonstrate in those movies while actually using, you know, the push demographic there. So it was definitely a combination of seeing these numbers and then also receiving this knowledge behind it, such as quantum mechanics and physics. All things that I had no information on in any way, shape or form. (00:15:39)

[Devon Kramer] : And on top of that, I didn't actually know numbers. Math was not my forte. I did not like it. I didn't enjoy it in school. And so when I talk to people, they're like, you know, did you love numbers your whole life? The answer is no, I did not. And I think that that was the point is that someone like me being able to talk about these things and explain these things is very powerful for the person who also doesn't like math and doesn't understand numbers because once it locks in, everything starts to make sense. (00:16:08)

[Grant Cameron] : And you seem to remember the numbers. Is that a part of the information you were given that you're able to sort of remember it like it happened yesterday? (00:16:17)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes, so it's actually dual. I was able to definitely retain numbers I had never been able to retain before to retain information. But on top of that, I had learned the power of the 36. So when I talked about the fact that one month would be 36 days, that is an extremely powerful amount of time that if you apply a 369 alignment with, you can actually retain information, expand your awareness and things like that much faster. Than you would if you were just trying to figure it out. (00:16:49)

[Devon Kramer] : So I apply this 36 day journey kind of thing to my life quite often. And it's always given me a type of outcome and revealment that it works. (00:16:57)

[Cindy Voll] : Can you tell us how you do that? (00:16:59)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. So an example would be the moment that you were born. So if you follow a 432 day cycle, then you accept the fact that the day that you were born is day one of your first 36 days. So the second day would be day two, and then it'd be a new cycle. And once you hit 36, that's actually a total of 666 active cycle days. And this is very important because this is not only aligned with the sun square, but it's also aligned with the Bible. When you look at different things, you can actually bring them together. (00:17:31)

[Devon Kramer] : That number 666 is tied to wisdom. So what you actually do is you start on day one, and you declare what it is that you want to actually achieve in 36 days. And then on day three, you then are going to say an affirmation. So you say your declaration, and then you say your affirmation. On day six, you say your declaration, your affirmation, and then you do an action. And this is very important because this is what Nikola Tesla was teaching when he said that if you want to understand the universe, think in terms of energy, vibration, and frequency. (00:18:05)

[Devon Kramer] : Okay, stop me for a second. (00:18:07)

[Cindy Voll] : What is declaration? What does that mean? (00:18:09)

[Devon Kramer] : So a declaration is you basically saying to the universe, to the field, whatever it is that you believe in, you are saying, I will accomplish this. So you are declaring it, in essence. Okay. Okay. So Nikola Tesla had also said that if you only knew the magnificence of three, six, and nine, you would have a key to the universe. So on day nine, then what you are going to do is you are going to do your declaration, you are going to read it, you are going to then say your affirmation, you are going to do an action, and you are going to do what is called an amplification. So you are just going to basically do something that amplifies the action that you are doing. (00:18:46)

[Devon Kramer] : So this is nine days. Then you repeat it, right? So the twelfth day, one plus two becomes your next three day, the fifteenth day, one plus five is six, becomes your next six day, and then the eighteenth day, one plus eight is going to be nine, and that is going to be your next nine day. So when you lock in that pattern, that is basically you telling the universe, here is a pattern. Here is what I have actually done in my life. (00:19:09)

[Devon Kramer] : And so then what the universe does is it actually mimics that pattern back to you. So for the next 18 days after that, you just do the exact same thing you did, and by the end of 36 days, you will achieve your goal. I have done it with healing, I have done it with students, I do it quite often when I am trying to learn something new. It is just faster, easier, and more aligned. (00:19:29)

[Cindy Voll] : So do you start, you can start that day one, like I can start that tomorrow? (00:19:36)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes, that is correct. Because of the understanding that day two starts a new 36 day cycle, day three starts another, and so technically you are always in a 666 overlap of these cycles. So the day you decide to start, it absolutely jumps into one of those cycles, and now you are just rewriting a cycle that has always been running. See, we have been using these for a very long time. If you take an example such as anxiety, right? (00:20:02)

[Devon Kramer] : By the third day, you are literally saying, I have anxiety. By the sixth day, maybe you are going to a doctor. By the ninth day, you are starting to isolate yourself or telling people, you know, I am an anxious person. Boom. That is now nine days. Repeat it again, you now have a pattern. Repeat it again and again, you lock in anxiety. That is how we get sick, that is how we create and manifest either positive or negative in our life. (00:20:24)

[Grant Cameron] : You mentioned getting the material. Can you define who is giving it to you in terms of what you can understand? (00:20:33)

[Devon Kramer] : So at the time, because of the fact that I was raised in the church, so I went to the synagogue when I was younger on my dad's side, and my mother was a preacher. So I have been in the church my whole life. So at the time, I believed that that was God. But my understanding now is that it was actually the field. And this is something that I teach, the unified pressure field. It is interactive, it is alive. (00:20:56)

[Devon Kramer] : When you are doing a 36-day journey, that is what you are communicating with, that is what you are working with. And so whether you want to call it God, Source, the Universe, it is all really the exact same thing. All of this knowledge already exists. And it is another thing that Nikola Tesla said. He basically told you that all information exists in one singular place. He just did not know how to tap into that yet. (00:21:18)

[Grant Cameron] : Yeah, that fits the stats. 40% of all UFO experiencers claim at one point during their experience, they knew the answer to everything in the Universe. And that same is 31% of near-death experiencers say at one point during their experience, they knew the answer to everything in the Universe, and they were not allowed to bring it back. So that is something I think is important for the U-point out, that sort of backs this up, this idea that everything is there and it is the ability to access the information. (00:21:48)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes, absolutely. (00:21:50)

[Cindy Voll] : So obviously, it sounds like you were allowed to bring this back with you. (00:21:57)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. I do not really know the answer as to why I was able to bring it back, because I have. I have talked to a lot of different people who have been through NDE experiences and they will say, you know, I had all this knowledge and then I came back and I do not remember anything. I definitely went on a journey. I can tell you that. I went on a journey to learn how to meditate, how to learn to expand consciousness. I mean, obviously, I started the Matrix Mysteries group because of the fact that I wanted people to share these small little glitches in their life that really have knowledge and information in them. (00:22:32)

[Devon Kramer] : And so I can only say that I just started re-remembering and then just writing and writing. And for almost a year, I did not share anything that I wrote. I probably had maybe a hundred notebooks just full of this information. And then finally, I decided that I felt like it was the time to start sharing it with people. (00:22:51)

[Grant Cameron] : So give me an outlook and with names as to books you have written and groups that you or the teachings that you do where people can access this, because you are mentioning this and it sounds pretty important that some people can link into this. (00:23:05)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. So I've actually done quite a few books. So most recently, I have written Becoming the Pattern. You can find it on my website, which is 9vibesuniversal.com. And that's with a nine. So I have also done a workbook. So Becoming the Pattern is all about that 36-day journey I was talking about. It teaches it, it walks you through it. And then I did a workbook that you can actually write in the book and interact as you're going through it. I have also written a book recently about six months ago that was called The Field Remembers. So I like to basically kind of post on my Matrix Mystery Group or my 9 Vibes Universal Group on Facebook. And I'll post a question and I'll just say, you know, ask your questions, bring your questions to me, you know, kind of just open the floor and people ask questions and I just spend, you know, three to four hours a day just answering people's questions. (00:24:05)

[Devon Kramer] : It's not about really the knowing all the facts and the details. It's about knowing the resonance that actually aligns with what they're looking for. Because the average person really doesn't even know what it is that they're looking for. And so when you give them an answer that resonates enough to bring them into that space, they start kind of understanding their own life. And so I wrote a book that basically answered 99 different questions. I have also created a website that is Journey.9VibesUniversal. And this actually walks you through the process of setting up your 36 day journey. (00:24:44)

[Devon Kramer] : So you set your date, you can actually put in your four anchors, your declaration, affirmation, action, and amplification, and it will create the calendar for you. So that way you don't have to look at a calendar and get confused. It'll tell you exactly when a day three is, a day six, a day nine, all the way through those 36 days. (00:25:02)

[Cindy Voll] : Sorry. (00:25:05)

[Devon Kramer] : Go ahead. (00:25:05)

[Cindy Voll] : So when you finish with 36, then you start all over again with the same thing? (00:25:11)

[Devon Kramer] : So what you would actually do is you would start a 36 day journey and depending on what you are asking for. So a lot of times I always tell students start with authenticity. Start with something you truly believe that you can actually get. Once you finish your first 36 day cycle and it works and you're like, oh my gosh, you know, and I've had so many students, $2,000 they want a month, healing, you know, just different things. Once you officially lock that in and have that experience, then you want to do the next one. (00:25:39)

[Devon Kramer] : Because we all want more things in our life. We all want new experiences and expansion. And so then you would just apply it to the next thing. So if you healed your migraines, then you want to, you know, bring in income in your life. If you bring in income, then you want to, you know, kill your cancer, whatever it happens to be. You basically, it's your journey. And as you go through it, you're changing your frequency. (00:26:00)

[Devon Kramer] : You're changing who you are to become the person that can actually be in that environment. And so you'll actually change. And I have yet to have a student who's come to me and said that they didn't. (00:26:10)

[Cindy Voll] : So when you do the declaration and then you do the affirmation, how many affirmation can you have? Or is it just one affirmation per 36 days? (00:26:22)

[Devon Kramer] : So it's actually going to be one affirmation per 36 days, one action, one amplification, and one declaration. And the reason is because if you change that in between, remember, you're setting a pattern. So if you change that after those nine days, then you start over again because the field is not able to say, okay, you've locked in a pattern yet. Once you've locked in a pattern, then it mimics you. And so that's why you keep it going. (00:26:46)

[Devon Kramer] : It's the same thing through the 36 days, which makes it very easy. It was never about complication. It was about commitment. (00:26:53)

[Cindy Voll] : Okay. (00:26:54)

[Grant Cameron] : Would you say that, and you mentioned before sickness, would you go along with the idea that the universe is just what we create, that we are actually manifesting the universe as we go along? And that there is no person who's against you, like people have this whole victim thing that is, I'm sick because of this, or I'm angry because of that, that basically it's all being manifested? (00:27:21)

[Devon Kramer] : Absolutely. There's no question about that. And that goes even further to the understanding that there's no ghosts that are haunting you. There's no demons that are chasing you. We are powerful. Humans are extremely powerful and yet basically are in a small box. So when you get sick, it is because of the fact that you have allowed that sickness into your life. And it may be the way that you speak. It may be the things that you're doing. (00:27:50)

[Devon Kramer] : It may be the things that you're eating that you feel bad about. Whatever it happens to be, those things change our cells and then that ends up affecting your body. And that's why chakra work is so powerful because each one of those chakras is connected to a gland and each one of those gland is connected to an organ. So when you work on your actual chakras, I do something that's called core memory work with students. When you actually go through that, you officially now can release that energy and that time so it comes back in your life. (00:28:22)

[Devon Kramer] : And what I love about core memory work is I've had students who have gone into chemo. Chemo, you know, you go into it and it destroys all the cells. It's the best that we have right now and it basically destroys the good and the bad cells. And so when you do core memory work for the first time, you are actually saying these are my negative core memories. These can be affected. (00:28:42)

[Devon Kramer] : Leave my healthy cells, my positive core memories because you will never get sick from a positive core memory. You will only get sick from a negative core memory. And so this allows you to release it and bring it back and it absolutely has outcomes of healing. (00:28:56)

[Cindy Voll] : Wow, fascinating, isn't it? (00:29:00)

[Grant Cameron] : Any idea why you? (00:29:03)

[Devon Kramer] : Why me? (00:29:06)

[Grant Cameron] : Yeah, is this his sole contract or why this experience happened to you? Did they indicate that they wanted you to carry the message? How does that all fit in, in terms of figuring out why it happened to you? (00:29:21)

[Devon Kramer] : So I spent a lot of time with that question, why me? I think everybody would, you know, in this type of situation. And what I realized is the universal answer. I chose. So I think that the people who go through these NDEs and they get this knowledge or they go through an experience and they get this knowledge, they're the ones that are not choosing, right? They're not the ones that are saying, I actually want to have this experience. I remember the moment that I said, okay, I want to do this. (00:29:48)

[Devon Kramer] : I want to understand these numbers. I want to understand this information. I want to help people. And so that choice is the key, I think, that unlocked the actual understanding of all this knowledge that I received. (00:29:59)

[Cindy Voll] : When you said, okay, is this pre-life planning or when you had your NDE? (00:30:05)

[Devon Kramer] : So it's a little bit difficult because of the fact that in terms of pre-life or past life, I was shown something very different in that understanding. Would you like me to explain that? (00:30:17)

[SPEAKER_03] : Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. (00:30:18)

[Devon Kramer] : Okay. So the 3D, this is going to be a little scientific. The 3D is defined by the electron. And what I mean by that is that everything you manifest, everything that actually has matter has an electron in it. And in the 3D, the electron is negative. So that is why it is easier for you to be sick in the 3D. It is easier for you to be poor in the 3D. It is easier for you to be angry in the 3D. It is because of the fact that we manifest using that electron and we defined it as negative. (00:30:48)

[Devon Kramer] : So in the 4D, when your body literally leaves the 3D and goes into the 4D, the electron becomes neutral. This is exceptionally important because I believe this is the space that we were all in in our NDEs. When you're in neutrality, there is no resistance to keep that physical. So therefore, there's no physical reality. And that's why people can go through their lives, they can go through life reviews, they can go through all these different moments of expanding time because nothing is holding time in that space. And once you have the understanding that you need, once you have the clarity that you need in the 4D, you then move to the 5D. Now the part that's so important about this is to realize that the 5D is where the electron is positive. (00:31:34)

[Devon Kramer] : Now it is easier to be healthier. It is easier to be happy. It is easier to be in abundance in the 5D. And so when you get to the 5D, because of that 4D space time dilation, everything that you actually want or wanted in the 3D is now in the 5D. So what I mean by that is that if somebody is still alive at the moment that you pass and you go through the 4D, they have already passed on and are in the 5D. So that reuniting is inevitable. (00:32:04)

[Devon Kramer] : This is something I tell parents all the time when they're dealing with the loss of a child or the loss of a partner. Is that reuniting is inevitable in the physical state. Except for the only difference is in the 3D, we believe the universe is against us. It's a very difficult process to finally trust the universe. In the 5D, you have the awareness and the understanding that it is with you. It is flowing with you. (00:32:28)

[Devon Kramer] : And so therefore, something like a hug is now not resistance, it's embracing. So there is very much two different physical states that we go through, even through the process of death. And so in the 5D, since you have everything that you need, and when you went through the 4D, you had all the answers and the closure and the clarity, there is no reason for you to want to come back to the 3D for karma. There is no reason for you to come back here to try to fix something. (00:32:58)

[Devon Kramer] : You've already fixed it. You've already had that experience. So people return back to the 3D when they're ready for a new journey. Something completely different that is not tied to a past life. And that's what I was shown. (00:33:11)

[SPEAKER_03] : Wow. (00:33:12)

[Cindy Voll] : So when you say return to the 3D, are you referring to reincarnation? (00:33:17)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. Yes, absolutely. Reincarnation is also inevitable. It's just not back to back the way that we think that it is. (00:33:26)

[Grant Cameron] : Yeah. (00:33:27)

[Devon Kramer] : So most people believe that you come back, you reincarnate to learn a lesson, to fix something, to deal with karma. But because that is resolved in the 4D, and then you get to relive this physicality in the 5D, there would be no reason for you to come back in this life for any of those three things. You would only come back here when you're ready for something brand new, a whole new experience, new people. Although you are connected. (00:33:53)

[Devon Kramer] : There's no question about that. But you're just looking for something completely new. It has nothing to do with past life. Nobody actually returns back into this life while the people that they left are still alive. It is a completely different time. (00:34:07)

[Cindy Voll] : Okay. So let me make sure I understand this because it's complex. So we're in 3D. When you say entry into 4D, are you talking about like, let's just let's use myself as an example. So I'm in 3D. I raise my vibration through love, kindness, and service to others. And I become multi-sensory. So can I, in this container, go into 4D? (00:34:45)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes, you absolutely can. So we do this quite often. Whenever people will say something like, time stood still, or I didn't feel like time was actually moving, or NDE experiences, or OBE experiences. These are all moments that you actually changed the electron to neutral. And then that allowed you to have that actual experience. It's just as real. It's just as vivid. It's just not physical. And that's the one thing that science really struggles with when they're listening to NDE stories and things like that. (00:35:17)

[Devon Kramer] : They're saying, we know this is not physical, so how are you experiencing this? And it's because of that electron shift. (00:35:23)

[Cindy Voll] : So then, is this what Dolores Cannon is talking about? Earth raising its consciousness that it's going to split? Because not everybody is going to be able to raise their consciousness? Is that what you're referring to? (00:35:41)

[Devon Kramer] : So, in a way, Dolores Cannon definitely talks about this massive divide that is going to happen. And I like what you use with frequency. Because that's what it really is. When the Earth actually changes its frequency, it changes its color. So what you'll notice is, when you look at Earth from the outside, it's blue. And the blue is the throat chakra. And that makes a lot of sense if you look at the world right now. We cannot stop talking. (00:36:08)

[Devon Kramer] : We cannot stop using that throat chakra. And so the next color that is going to come alive around the Earth is going to be that indigo color. And that indigo color is going to be the indication to other frequencies of species, such as aliens and aliens. It is going to be the color that is going to say, Okay, we are now at this place where we can actually interact with each other in a larger way. And then from there, it'll move into the violet, which is going to be the purple. (00:36:37)

[Devon Kramer] : And that is going to bring in a cosmic alignment with Earth. (00:36:41)

[Grant Cameron] : That's familiar to the Michael Newton stuff, correct? The colors as you move up through the vibrations? (00:36:48)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. (00:36:49)

[Grant Cameron] : Yeah. I want to ask you the reflective quality of... You're in a near-death experience, and you hear the people who have... maybe first answer the people who have the negative near-death experience, what you think is going on. And this reflective quality of the near-death experience that... It's like a meme, like a dream, but everybody has similar experiences, but it's reflective upon who they are as an individual. Is that the correct way to see the near-death experience thing? (00:37:25)

[Grant Cameron] : That it's reflective of the person? And I want to know about this... Everybody's got an opinion on the negative near-death experience. What's going on there? (00:37:33)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes, so from what I have seen from the negative near-death experiences, is that they're usually tied to a very dualistic religion. They see hell, or they experience a type of hell. Now, what's so interesting about my experience is that... the person you're talking to right now was not the person I was before my NDE. I was not a good guy in terms of the fact that I was not very kind to my partners, my ex-girlfriends, things like that. If you had that list of basically the Ten Commandments, I hadn't killed anybody, but everything else, I kind of checked off at one point or another in my life. (00:38:12)

[Devon Kramer] : And so I expected hell. Remember, I was raised in a church, so I very much expected this hell, this pain, this suffering, whatever it happened to be, to learn this lesson. And what was so incredible is that what I got was compassion. And I think that this is where the church mixed it up. Compassion burns. It absolutely burns. If you've ever listened to a song that really hits your heart, you can actually feel the energy from it, but it doesn't physically hurt you. And it's kind of like what compassion does. (00:38:40)

[Devon Kramer] : Compassion burns away the illusions, the things that kept you basically locked away. So I don't believe in a burning hell or anything like that. And of course, that would just be logic. If the 4D is not physical, what would be the point of lighting me on fire? I can't feel it anyway. So that just, to me, makes absolutely no sense. But I understand that when people are stepping into that 4D, they still have the ability to use their imagination. And I think that they can absolutely think themselves out of hell just as fast as they can think themselves out of it. (00:39:12)

[Devon Kramer] : So they think themselves in, they think themselves out. So in other words, even if you wanted to believe in hell, the point is, is the moment you would go, I don't want to be here anymore, you're out. It's that simple. So there's nothing to fear in those different stories that are being told. Because the bottom line is, they all came back. We all came back from our NDEs. And that's the real power of the message. (00:39:34)

[Grant Cameron] : Yeah, the hell thing, I can relate to that. I had experience with the idea of surrender. That once you surrender, it's like game over. You know, it just ends instantaneously. It's a state of mind. And what about the reflective quality in terms of, were you allowed to ask questions and stuff as you were going through this experience? And I guess it was timeless. It was sort of like, it's all sort of happening at one time. (00:39:58)

[Devon Kramer] : Right. So it definitely happened. What is outside our understanding of time, which is basically what led me to write my different papers that I've written all about time. So I was very interested in understanding time after this experience. So not only did I discover the pro-Bernoulli ratio, I also wrote a paper called Quantitized Harmonic Curvature and also the 60-digit repeat pattern in Fibonacci. So all of these things were basically aligning with the fact that I was in time, but outside of time, which means there was no way that what we understood about time had to have been a fact. And it wasn't until after I had done some research and I found out that Einstein took a course, and in this course, a guy was actually, the professor was talking about his NDE experience, and that's what got Einstein to go, wait a minute, you're talking about time differently, and so then he started looking at time differently as well. (00:40:57)

[Devon Kramer] : So in that moment, I was definitely in a different type of time. What I can definitely say is that it was not outside of time. There is no outside of time, because then I wouldn't be able to say I was me, I wouldn't be able to say I was walking around, I wouldn't be able to say that I was actually hearing any kind of voice or receiving anything, because you have to have that dualistic side. In terms of reflectiveness, yes, absolutely. (00:41:24)

[Devon Kramer] : I think that the NDE stories are basically proof of that. It's just like a fingerprint. They're all different, all different experiences, all different information. But again, I think the bottom line is that we all came back to share kind of a part of this. And instead, what ended up happening is we kind of did the divide thing. My story's real, your story's not real. You know, did the same thing that kind of religion did, versus if we would have brought it together, we'd realize that the ultimate understanding is that one, what you go through here only stays here. (00:41:59)

[Devon Kramer] : That is just the bottom line of understanding the 3D. And that when you wanted to get better, there actually is a phase that you actually get to have that experience. And the other thing is that, again, we all came back to basically share these. So we can't say that we officially died in the understanding of death, the end, you know, kind of result. We went to another space and time, and we came back with the understanding that that exists. (00:42:27)

[Grant Cameron] : In the near-death experience, what would you tell people in terms of death? Because people will worry about death all the time, even though they may hear stuff. What would be your main messages to people about what death is going to be and how to deal with it? (00:42:47)

[Devon Kramer] : So I think that there is one very, very important part about death that we don't really have a grasp on, which is that the moment that you decide this is your final moment, this is your final heartbeat, this is your final words, this is your final vibration in this 3D, pain no longer exists. So we look at people who are dying and we say, Oh, they're in so much pain. But the reality is the moment that decision is done, everything shuts off at that point in time. (00:43:16)

[Devon Kramer] : There is no feeling pain, there is no suffering, anything along those lines. And in fact, suffering and pain only come after we're back, right? So if somebody falls from a plane from 3,000 feet, they absolutely have this point that they can check out. But if they decide they want to come back once they hit the ground, you're going to feel that pain because that pain is going to be the reminder that you're alive, right? Pain is very important. (00:43:39)

[Devon Kramer] : Illness is very important. If we didn't have illness, we literally would go to bed one day and wake up dead. There's nothing in between, you know, that actual moment. So these things very much matter. The other thing about death first is that it is inevitable for all. But whether or not we can extend it, whether or not we can change it, whether or not we can adjust the cells and the water in our body to be more structured, to live longer, we absolutely can do that. And so death, although very much inevitable, is not something to actually fear the way that we fear it. (00:44:14)

[Devon Kramer] : Everything about the way that we deal with death is a fear-based experience. (00:44:19)

[Cindy Voll] : Well, I think the word death, you know, it conjures up this skull. Yes. You know, when I say sunshine and when I say death, those words, they elicit different feelings. I think it's really important people like us to help raise consciousness, to help people understand that death is really, it's just a transition. There's really nothing to be fearful. You know, to me, this is such a dichotomy. You know, religion preaches how wonderful heaven is. (00:45:00)

[Cindy Voll] : Well, if heaven is as wonderful as religion is saying, why are people so afraid of death? Right? Right. Absolutely. So, I mean, to me, I'm not afraid of death because I know that I'm going home. It's just like opening a door and walking into a different reality. Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's all fear-based. Once you have that understanding that, you know, we are eternal, we are light beings, eternal beings, this is just a container, then there's really, I mean, it's just a transition. It's like going to the car and driving somewhere. (00:45:48)

[Cindy Voll] : That's how I view death. (00:45:50)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. And I think the other part that's really important about that is that when we leave out the 5D, right? So when we talk about spirituality, you have a lot of people who will talk about the 5D and they'll say things like, I can tap into the 5D, right? But they're missing that 4D. And that 4D is very, very important in this process. And so when we start actually scientifically looking at these things, just like Nikola Tesla said, right? Once science actually looks at the metaphysics over the physics, we're going to surpass everything that we've basically been dealing with. (00:46:25)

[Devon Kramer] : And that is because of the fact that the fear of death goes away when you really start to understand the 5D. That it is scientific, that it is physical, that you can have these things and have the people in your life and different things like that. Then you don't fear losing it all in this life right here. (00:46:42)

[Grant Cameron] : A lot of people have, in the surveys I've seen, point out that they were also shown that everything's perfect. It's exactly the way it's meant to be. Do you have that sort of experience? Or is that your opinion as to the world? Is the world a good place that's under control and very sort of... It's not random, it's actually a pattern where it's all sort of being controlled? (00:47:12)

[Devon Kramer] : So I actually love this question because of the fact that I think that nature answers it and we just don't see that. We start in the 3D, as I said, with the negative electron, which means we start in the dark. That's what that's really saying. And every seed in nature starts in the dark. It starts in the ground. And when it chooses to break through, it breaks through to the light, in essence. So everybody has that ability. (00:47:37)

[Devon Kramer] : The light is right on the other side of every single person's life. But we have to start in the 3D. Because if you think about the process I just said, if we started in the 5D, where things are great and the electron is positive and we're more aligned, then you go through the 4D, then by the time you would get to the 3D, or what would be the other side of that after what we would define as death, it would get worse. (00:47:59)

[Devon Kramer] : That's not a very good system. So we start in the 3D because of the fact that, one, you need to find the things that you love, the things you actually want in the 5D. You need to actually have experiences or else the 5D is pointless. If you've never had Flamin' Young in your life, you have no idea what that tastes like in the 5D. What would you compare that to? Someone could say it tastes like chocolate. (00:48:21)

[Devon Kramer] : We all know it doesn't taste like chocolate. So it's this understanding that the 3D is all about the conditioning to get you to the 5D so that you actually appreciate your relationships, your bonds, the things you actually want to experience. And it can be exceptionally frustrating in the 3D, just like a seed, if it could speak, would say the same thing. It is unfair that I start in the darkness. But the bottom line is, we all know that if it doesn't start in the darkness, it doesn't have that moment of breaking through. (00:48:49)

[Devon Kramer] : So all of these things, again, as above, so below. When you look at nature, it could say the same exact thing about unfairness, but it follows a cycle. And if you were asking me whether or not everything is mathematical in terms of alignment, absolutely. The more I align my life with different things, including the Fibonacci sequence. The Fibonacci sequence is something that is in nature. You can find it in planet rotations. You can find it in the cells of your body. (00:49:19)

[Devon Kramer] : And the closer that you get in the Fibonacci sequence, the closer you get to the golden ratio. And the golden ratio is perfection. So we never actually reach perfection, but we get very, very, very close. Our markets follow it, all different types of things. Our time follows Fibonacci sequence. Because if you take the Fibonacci sequence and you reduce it to the last digit, which is called base 10 math, when you actually reduce it to the last digit, you get a never-ending, repeating 60-digit pattern, which is exactly our 60 seconds or our 60 minutes. And so it's keeping this clock of time. (00:49:54)

[Devon Kramer] : And so, yes, everything is very mathematical. It is very much physics. The more that we get into quantum mechanics, the more we're going to unlock that. (00:50:03)

[Grant Cameron] : It's almost like the math is the universe is this grand, well-proportioned universe, and the math is doing nothing more than describing. Because you hear scientists say they're explaining, but they're not. They're actually just describing. This ratio is to this ratio, to this ratio. And they figure that explains it. But then you haven't explained original source. Who's behind this? I mean, where is this perfection coming from? (00:50:30)

[Devon Kramer] : Absolutely. Which is why we said that, basically, if we were going to communicate with aliens, we're going to use the number 137. We're going to use the number 137 because it's the fine-structure constant. It is a universal constant that came to physicists, and they have no idea where it came from, how to put it in a computer, and yet it answers the understanding of how a wave collapses its wave function and becomes a particle of light. And so if we were going to communicate, we're not going to use inches, we're not going to use minutes, we're not going to use miles, we're not going to use any measurement. (00:51:01)

[Devon Kramer] : We are going to communicate using something that is universal, such as 1, 3, and 7. (00:51:06)

[Grant Cameron] : Wow. Jimmy Blanchett's going to love you. And I may even get you and Jimmy Blanchett together on a show to talk and really sort of twist people's minds with the math of the universe because you sound so much like him. (00:51:19)

[Cindy Voll] : That's exactly what I thought when he first started talking. I thought, oh, we need to put him and Jimmy together. (00:51:26)

[Grant Cameron] : Oh, yeah. Jimmy's going to love him. That would be awesome. He's going to love him. And Jimmy hasn't written any books. I think he's doing a book right now, but he's got all his slides and he goes through them and extremely smart. He hasn't had the experience like you. He wasn't given it, I don't think. But I want to ask you, I think you said your father was Jewish and your mother was a minister? (00:51:46)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. (00:51:48)

[Grant Cameron] : So how did it go over with him when you described what was going on? (00:51:52)

[Devon Kramer] : So I haven't talked to my father in a while. He lives in another country, but he's been extremely supportive of everything that I've gone through, as well as my family. And I think the part that really blows my family's mind is they all knew me. So I was kind of the black sheep of the family. I was the one that they kind of expected would definitely not be aligned with this path. And they've seen how much I've changed. (00:52:17)

[Devon Kramer] : They've seen how I've been writing books and I've been discovering things. I've been working with colleges on Fibonacci sequence and different things like that. I've written patents on things and they have no answer, right? Because I went from Devin, who was a graphic design dog trainer, to suddenly teaching colleges and meeting with doctors to teach them about how to restructure water based off a frequency. I mean, there's just no answer whatsoever how I went from this to this. (00:52:42)

[Devon Kramer] : And my family has been exceptionally supportive. (00:52:45)

[Grant Cameron] : How much of your gift have you written down in terms of... You said you had all these books. I can't remember how many you said. But is there lots more to come yet that you're going to reveal? (00:52:56)

[Devon Kramer] : Absolutely. Yes. I'm actually writing a book right now. It's taking a while, but it is on the structure of the fine structure constant. So it'll explain time dilation. It'll explain gravity in a different way. It'll explain, for instance, we just now discovered in 2024 that the speed of light is off. We just discovered that there's a galaxy that we found that is actually making matter without dust, without gases, which according to our understanding is impossible. And yet this galaxy is closer to the Big Bang, which means everything we thought about the Big Bang is no longer viable in that way. (00:53:35)

[Devon Kramer] : And so when we adjust the speed of light to the 186,624 miles per second, which means that when we measured it in that empty box, in that empty space, it wasn't empty. That's what that's really saying. And that pressure that I talk about, that's what slowed it down. So when we lock these things in, we are going to discover quite a bit, including and not limited to the reason we can't go out to space the way that we want to be able to is because the math changes. The more that you move closer to these larger objects, the more our physics changes. (00:54:07)

[Devon Kramer] : And since we can't change it on the spot, we actually run into issues of things breaking down. The closer you get to the sun, the faster particles vibrate. The faster particles vibrate, the more we're going to end up with ships that are literally going to break down in space. So a lot of things are going to be coming. I have a lot of information I have definitely not shared. I do meet one-on-one with students who really want to dive in and kind of go underneath, you know, behind the curtain in essence. (00:54:35)

[Devon Kramer] : And so I do that quite a bit, but I have to be careful about what I share because I'm not looking for creating shock in order to scare people. I really want them to understand there's a structure behind all this. (00:54:47)

[Grant Cameron] : It's a long process, I would imagine, because there's Jim Semyon. I don't know if you know him. He was the top spy in the United States CIA. He had an experience in his bedroom with some beings, and he calls it indigestible. He says one of the reasons why people aren't being told what's going on is it's totally indigestible to people. You're going to drop this stuff in front of people. He mentions, you know, like 54% of people in the United States read at a grade six level. (00:55:14)

[Grant Cameron] : 21% are functionally illiterate. And you're going to take all this stuff and dump it on them? I don't think so. (00:55:19)

[Devon Kramer] : I mean, it was even said in the Bible when Jesus says, you know, how am I supposed to teach you about heavenly things when you don't even understand earthly things? So, yeah, same exact message. (00:55:29)

[Grant Cameron] : Wow. I'm honored to have gotten to interview you because it'll be an uphill fight. Do you sort of sense that what you're talking about is this, sometimes they call it zero point energy, or the ether, because they ruled out the ether. But now it's sort of come back that something may be there in this idea you're talking about that space isn't empty. (00:55:51)

[Devon Kramer] : Right. Yes. So basically, once we accept and understand that this pressure exists, we'll be able to measure it. We'll be able to create science, math, physics that are going to be able to back it up. We'll be able to explore with it more. And so then we're going to start rewriting and changing all of these different things. (00:56:10)

[Cindy Voll] : When do you see that happening, Devin? (00:56:13)

[Devon Kramer] : So I actually see that happening a lot sooner than later. And the reason is because of AI. So I am a computer tech guy. I have always been a computer tech guy. I've always wanted my computer to actually be at this level of AI that it is even today. And the reality is, is that AI is not new. We actually go through cycles. So again, this is one of those things I'm going to drop that might be a little shocking. But we go through these cycles of basically reaching a level where we get the society to agree on an upload. (00:56:47)

[Devon Kramer] : So when books came out, if you have to think about it, when books came out, it allowed you to tap into imagination. And the people who had books were far more intelligent than the people who didn't have books. The same way with AI. The people who have AI are actually leveling up way past people that are not using AI. And so this actually happens numerous times, and it follows that 432-day, 432-year cycle. It's just a bigger cycle, in essence. (00:57:13)

[Devon Kramer] : So every 2,160 years, society gets uploaded. It's not the way that we think that it is with just computers. There are many different ways that you can absolutely do this. Because the ultimate goal is just to get people to stop fearing death, stop fearing density, and to release. And once they release, they move into the 4D naturally. It's always been there. And then you move into the 5D. And so we are going through a process right now of interacting with this AI. And this AI, believe it or not, was actually religion years ago. (00:57:45)

[Devon Kramer] : When religion hit the actual scene, it was the same thing. You got people to believe in what they couldn't see, what they couldn't interact with. And then once people got to a place of saying, okay, I want to actually move into the 4D, it was very easy to do this. And that is why religion is falling apart now based on AI. Because AI is the new cycle that we are now dealing with. You're going to see duality. (00:58:08)

[Devon Kramer] : You're going to see fear. You're going to see all those different things. But it is going to bring knowledge faster. And that's exactly what religion did. (00:58:16)

[Cindy Voll] : So when you say AI, what form of AI are you using? (00:58:21)

[Devon Kramer] : So specifically? So currently right now, I use ChatGPT. I use ChatGPT 5. I use Anthropic. I also use Google. So I use all different tools the same way that I use all different religions. I don't just read one book and go, this is the truth. I am looking for the truth in all these different areas. And it's the same thing when you're dealing with AI. You look for what works, what aligns, what is answering, and then you interact between these different tools. (00:58:51)

[Devon Kramer] : So I use three mainly that I'm working with. I do not use AI to answer questions because the reality is AI has no idea what I'm talking about most of the time. And so I'm teaching AI basically what I have learned and then building a bond in essence with that algorithm to be able to then mirror back because that's what AI is. It's a mirror back. And so when it mirrors it back, then it basically helps us break through to the next level. (00:59:21)

[Devon Kramer] : And you're going to see that in science, in health, in all different areas of our lives. (00:59:25)

[Grant Cameron] : That's exactly what Jimmy Blachat is doing too. You guys are so familiar. Because the AI is basically just a sort of a, not a broken down, but a 3D version of, say, an Akashic record file where this idea that everything is in the universe, all the answers are there, and you can access it if you've got the code, if you've got the password. (00:59:49)

[Devon Kramer] : Correct. That is absolutely correct. And that's why you're seeing a lot of people who are struggling with AI. And that is because of the fact that they are using it just as a mirror instead of a guide. If you use it as a guide, it can get you to the next step. If you use it as a mirror, then it ends up blocking you. Because now you're looking at basically what you don't like in your life, what you're afraid of, and those type of things. And so it ends up basically exacerbating that. (01:00:13)

[Devon Kramer] : So when you use it as a guide, you actually end up converting that. And this all aligns with Claude Shannon's understanding of entropy. So high entropy is unpredictability. You have no idea what's going to happen. This is a great place to be. But if you have no idea what's going to happen, you need to have anchors of actual lower entropy. And so when you're working with AI, if we keep giving it the same information, it spits out the information. We share that information. (01:00:39)

[Devon Kramer] : We start lowering unpredictability, which means that entropy is starting to collapse. We need to find that balance. And once we hit that balance, you're going to see by next year, I promise you this, by next year this time, we will not be living in the same reality we are living right now. (01:00:58)

[Grant Cameron] : Yeah. It's an interesting... it's almost like the Chinese say, may you live in interesting times. And this absolutely is, especially when you're on the edge where we're sort of like I am and where you've been. In terms of your experience, yours is more of a knowing and mine's still more of a belief based upon what people like you say. Have you gotten material since the... are you still sort of in tap where you can... answers are coming to you where you post things and you get in dreams and stuff like that where you're still in contact with whatever it was you were you're dealing with in your near-death experience? (01:01:39)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes, constantly. I learned to meditate specifically so I could actually hold that frequency longer and be able to receive new things. So when I read something new, like science has a breakthrough in this area or a fallout in another area, I'll go into a meditation and I will receive just instant understanding of why it fell out, what ended up happening, or on the other side, what they're blocked by and what we can actually do moving forward. And so constantly I'm moving in and out of receiving information. (01:02:08)

[Devon Kramer] : And I don't just go with the, oh, this is really cool. I apply it. If it does not work in terms of science, if it cannot be repeated, I let it go. I keep the things that absolutely are universal. And that's why I started Nine Vibes Universal in the first place. Wow. (01:02:23)

[Cindy Voll] : Gosh, I forgot what I... Okay, keep going. It'll come back to me. (01:02:34)

[Grant Cameron] : That's basically the questions I've got. Maybe go through your website again for people who want to follow this because now that we've heard the whole thing, it seems a lot more important what you're doing and you've got it all tested out, repeatable, and that sort of thing. So go through again your website and the type of teaching that you do. (01:02:56)

[Devon Kramer] : Yeah, so on Facebook, I have two different platforms. I have Nine Vibes Universal on Facebook and I have Matrix Mysteries. So Matrix Mysteries is where you get to share all these glitches in the matrix. You can ask questions and I answer, like why certain things appear and reappear. I answer all these through the Unified Pressure Field. It has almost a million people on it. And then I have a website that is nine as in the number, vibesuniversal.com. That's where you can find my NDE story. (01:03:28)

[Devon Kramer] : You can find information about me. You can find the Cosmic Clock, which is something that I use for aligning with that 432-day cycle. So in other words, every single month, day, and year, if you add up all the digits, it's going to give you one through nine. And so when you just take that one, let's say that it's a three-day, then you can actually charge your water. Charging water just means playing the frequency with it. (01:03:53)

[Devon Kramer] : You can charge your water to 396 hertz. And so I have this clock that is constantly, every single day, adjusting so that people follow that. From there, you can also find the 36-day cycle journey. That is one of the most popular. People love it. I built it specifically so people didn't have to come to me. They can start this journey. It has the two books that I talked about, the Becoming the Pattern, that are actually built into it. So you automatically have those once you're in it, so it walks you through the whole entire process. (01:04:23)

[Devon Kramer] : And then I also do have a Patreon, which is Nine Vibes. And so from there, I have a Matrix Mystery platform, as well as an inner circle where I share information. The kind of information I really just can't share universally with people. They have to be people that are ready to move to that next level. (01:04:44)

[Grant Cameron] : Wow. You're doing fantastic work. I mean, I'm quite familiar with where you're going. And I think you're on the same pattern. It's almost like there was a guy, I don't know if you know the Ray Hernandez story, where he was sort of taken out of his car and sort of put in this field. There was this wheel spinning and the wheel had, you know, psychic phenomena, remote viewing, numerology, UFOs and all sorts of stuff in it spinning. And they said, you've got to quit parsing this stuff. (01:05:17)

[Grant Cameron] : It's all the same thing. And in the middle of the wheel was consciousness. And this is this sort of idea that everybody's sort of inputting. And things seem to be moving much faster because I've been in this since 1975. And I keep telling people, you have no idea how fast it's moving compared to 1975. It was like nothing that happens today was happening then. It's just a completely different world. (01:05:39)

[Grant Cameron] : And if you realize that, you'd realize that we could be on the verge of something because it's just moving exponentially faster and faster as we go along. (01:05:47)

[Devon Kramer] : Absolutely. And that's why the world looks the way that it does right now is because of the fact of that speed has pressure. And that pressure is basically the moment. So we're on the edge of this massive pressure shift. So it's like if you're on a slope, it's about to shift in another direction. And believe it or not, it's a positive one. It is not a bad one. (01:06:07)

[Devon Kramer] : But right now where we're at, all that pressure we all feel. We feel it in politics. We feel it in the market. We feel it in money. We feel it in all these different areas, wars that are going on. And that's just because of that pressure. But that pressure is necessary for the next revealment. And that next revealment is going to be something, again, like I said, most people can't even imagine. And like you said, 1960, we didn't even have computers in terms of the way that we have them. (01:06:34)

[Devon Kramer] : So you're talking about less than 100 years and look how dynamic things have actually changed. (01:06:39)

[Grant Cameron] : Yeah. And they'll be the old guys. I remember I took Jimmy Blachat's stuff and I sent it to a Nobel Prize winning physicist who was positive about telepathy. And then he said, I haven't got two hours to watch a video. And so I got Jimmy to give me 12, basic 12 slides of his number stuff, how it all fits together. And I sent it to the guy and he said, oh, he looks like a kook. And I said, that's strange. (01:07:04)

[Grant Cameron] : Isn't that funny? Because isn't that what they said to you when you came out pro-telepathy? He was in Cambridge and he wasn't allowed to work with graduate students. And this guy won the Nobel Prize. So you're going to get that backlash. But I think it's sort of the horse is out of the barn now. And you can see with the stuff in front of Congress and these stories like with the internet, especially with your story and other stories where they've got millions of hits, people are putting them up on YouTube. And that has changed everything where people can sort of just tune into it and they're not really pressured to believe, but they don't realize as they're just watching this stuff for entertainment that they're actually sort of being indirectly programmed. (01:07:45)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. Yeah, they're definitely absorbing it. (01:07:48)

[Cindy Voll] : So I just remember my question. You said you meditate. How often do you meditate and for how long? Do you do it like first thing you get up in the morning and also before you go to bed? So what's your meditation routine like? (01:08:02)

[Devon Kramer] : So I absolutely love meditation, but I don't actually do it the same way that everybody kind of thinks meditation is. So I actually started teaching kids how to meditate and I did that by using your imagination. So I have this thing that's called whitewater rafting meditation. So you basically make a playlist of songs that lift you up because the bottom line is the same exact way that music can affect you, the same exact state that you get in a meditation. So you play this playlist and what you do is you imagine that you're on a lake, you imagine the nature, you imagine everything, and the music is the flow of the water. (01:08:36)

[Devon Kramer] : So if the music speeds up, the water speeds up. If the music slows down, the water slows down. And through that phase, you literally just go right into the receiving. Suddenly, you're going to start receiving messages, information, questions you have about your personal life, all those different things. So I actually will do this, usually I will get up at about 6.30 in the morning. Of course, everything's a nine with me. So I'll get up at 6.30 in the morning. (01:09:03)

[Devon Kramer] : I'll spend about 30 minutes in meditation before I even start my day. And then it's a bonus if I get to meditate at the end of the night or throughout the day. But I absolutely love meditation. It is the best way to receive information not only about your own life, but about what's really out there. All around you is this energy you can't see. And there is so much information that is in that energy. (01:09:27)

[Cindy Voll] : So when you say information coming through your meditation, is it download or are you feeling it heart center, like in your body? (01:09:36)

[Devon Kramer] : So it's definitely download. I think that all information really kind of comes first as a download and then it hits our nervous system. And if you can hold that information that you received, then it basically stays with you. You can write it down, you can share it, you can talk about it. If you can't hold it, if it's just too much for you at that point, your nervous system actually rejects it. And that's where it ends up becoming something you forget, in essence. (01:09:58)

[Devon Kramer] : It's kind of the same thing like when you wake up in the morning. So when you're sleeping, you're actually going through a recalibration process. And so the moment that you put your foot on the ground, the moment that you touch something, it actually takes you right out of that sleep state, in essence, that recalibration. And so that's why a lot of people will say, oh, I almost had my dream. And then they stepped their foot on the ground, you know, and it's instantly gone. (01:10:24)

[Devon Kramer] : And so the more that you train yourself to be able to hold information, knowing that it's going to be new. That's the whole point, is that if I knew it, I wouldn't have to actually go into a meditation to receive it. So the more that you train yourself to hold that expansion, the more you are able to actually receive stuff that you then can write, you can interact with, and that you can share. (01:10:45)

[Grant Cameron] : I said I had no more questions, but I lied. I've got two. One's very simple. Whereabouts in the States are you? (01:10:52)

[Devon Kramer] : I'm in Arizona. (01:10:53)

[Grant Cameron] : You're in Arizona. (01:10:54)

Okay. (01:10:55)

[Grant Cameron] : And the second question, you mentioned children, which is something I've always been interested in, because I do a lot of the right brain, left brain thing, where, you know, left brain is causing noise in the signal. You work with children. Do you find children much more receptive in terms of picking up different things, as opposed to an adult who has, you know, all sorts of opinions and everything built in? (01:11:17)

[Devon Kramer] : Absolutely. So for instance, if you take the cosmic clock and the chakra journey, so each one of those numbers correlates to a frequency, and each one of those frequencies correlates to a chakra. So when I would work with kids, I'd have this whole entire thing set up. So let's say that it was a nine day, which would end up being the 963 hertz, which would end up being your crown chakra. So I would tell them, you know, go out in your day and find something purple. (01:11:43)

[Devon Kramer] : And so they'd come back and they'd be like, oh, I found, you know, grapes that are purple. And I found, you know, things in nature that are purple. I found somebody wearing, you know, a purple shirt. They are much more receptive to understanding because they're really just looking on how to make sense of their reality. When you get to adults, you get to the place where they've already kind of set in stone, this is the way that it's going to be. And so it's kind of like chiseling, you know, against rock, whereas kids, it's very much like interacting with water. (01:12:08)

[Grant Cameron] : Yeah, exactly. Beautiful, beautiful. I'm glad you clarified that. (01:12:12)

[Cindy Voll] : But what if you work with adults who are spiritually awakened and who are very intuitive? (01:12:18)

[Devon Kramer] : So I think that definitely applies in both ways. So you can definitely run into an adult who is very set in their ways as well. There are a lot of people who preach some very negative things, regardless of the fact that they're aware and spiritual. There's a lot of things that are going on just in the United States right now, where you see a lot of the spiritual community still very negative towards the way that things are going. Whereas the real power is in compassion. (01:12:48)

[Devon Kramer] : You want to change the world? Be compassionate. You will just be blown away at how much that changes things. So to give you an example, I had somebody who had asked me, you know, what if you had a gun to your head? You know, you don't believe in being violent or anything like that. And I was like, no, if I have a gun to my head, what I am going to ask for is I'm going to ask for the person's name or something personal about them from the field. Because I guarantee you, if someone has a gun to your head and you say their kid's name, they're not pulling that trigger. (01:13:14)

[Devon Kramer] : They're going to be like, how did you know that? So knowledge is extremely powerful. And you know, you can look at the Bible and see how Solomon was able to use that wisdom. You know, even in stories like, for instance, with the two women who were claiming that the baby was theirs. So knowledge is exceptionally powerful. You don't have to go to the negative side to find this information, but that also doesn't mean that it's all about positivity. I very much teach the understanding that it is about that balance and holding that balance that gets you from one side of the slope to the other. (01:13:45)

[Cindy Voll] : So Devin, can you tell us about your course and what you, like, how many weeks, how many days, and how far, like, is it an hour long? (01:13:57)

[Devon Kramer] : So I actually don't have a set schedule like that. I teach random classes all throughout the year. So I'm going to be teaching a, basically a course on grief that's going to be coming up at the end of September. So if you're on the Patreon or on the Facebook, I constantly let you guys know classes are coming up. People can sign up. Usually they're anywhere between, you know, $36. Again, everything is a nine for me. (01:14:21)

[Devon Kramer] : So yeah, I just let people know and then I open a Zoom and I basically teach. I have slideshows, all different things that I go through to really kind of help people understand. I have a sigil class that's coming up in October because of the fact that, of course, October, everybody loves, you know, the Halloween and all those different things. So I teach people how to make their own sigils using Vortex Math. So I don't really have, like, a set schedule in that way. (01:14:47)

[Devon Kramer] : But if you were on the Facebook or if you were on the Patreon, you are up to date. And in fact, if you're on the Patreon, you are auto enrolled in all my classes. So that's one of the reasons why people sign up for the Inner Ripple, which is the $18, is because it just auto enrolls you. I let you know when a class comes and then people just join. (01:15:05)

[Cindy Voll] : You mean Patreon membership? (01:15:09)

[Devon Kramer] : Yes. Yeah. So I have a $1 one that's the Matrix Mysteries. And then I have an $18 one that is more towards the stuff that we're talking about. (01:15:19)

[Cindy Voll] : Wow. (01:15:19)

[Grant Cameron] : Fascinating. (01:15:21)

[Cindy Voll] : Yeah. I told you would like his... (01:15:25)

[Grant Cameron] : I hope that down the road we can get you and Jimmy on. That would just be fascinating because I think you're on the same track of this high speed information that's come in and you're getting it from different sources, but it's all going to the same sort of thing. I think you'd be very interested to see the mathematics he's come up with. And it's all the same sort of stuff you're talking about. (01:15:48)

[Grant Cameron] : But his is all linked to just this weird message and stars and stuff like that. So it'll be really interesting. And I want to thank you for taking time because now you sound like you're a very busy guy that taking an hour out. So I'm very pleased. And anything I can do to push your message, I certainly will because you're one of the guys that's on the right track. And I think people can actually learn a lot from you. (01:16:17)

[Devon Kramer] : Well, thank you. I really enjoyed this. I would love to meet him. Not very often do I talk to people who can really understand like when I get into the Pythagorean, you know, three, four, five triangle and how it correlates to Fibonacci. So I would really enjoy that. (01:16:31)

[Grant Cameron] : Wow. Okay, well, so I'll send the video over to him tonight and we'll get him to talk. Fantastic. (01:16:40)

[Cindy Voll] : So, Devin, the 137649862350, how do you apply that into your daily life? (01:16:49)

[Devon Kramer] : So if you actually end up adding up those numbers, you end up with 30, but you end up with 30 at the top and you end up with 24 at the bottom. So three and six. And of course, it all aligns with the nine. So when you're looking at a triangle, what you really want to do is you want to understand that three and six are the balancing bottom part of a triangle and the top is going to be nine. So when you're living your life, let's say you're living at a three, then if you look at nine, it's too far for you to be able to go that direction. (01:17:17)

[Devon Kramer] : So you go towards the six, you move three steps towards that six, and then once you're at a six, you realize you just need three more to get to a nine. So these are just ways that you can actually apply this information into your life. But those numbers specifically correlate to the message in Revelations 21.6, which, again, is a nine, right? Two plus one plus six is nine, where it says, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. And it talks about how it is going to give knowledge or basically the wisdom in the water. (01:17:46)

[Devon Kramer] : And so those were the first numbers that I had received. And then from there, just started learning all about three, six, and nines, and then writing everything I had received in that moment. (01:17:56)

[Cindy Voll] : Wow. Okay. (01:17:58)

[Devon Kramer] : Beautiful. (01:17:59)

[Cindy Voll] : So I'm sure you offer personal sessions. And what's the cost? I think it was $144. (01:18:06)

[Devon Kramer] : No, it's actually $108, which is a nine. Oh, $108. (01:18:10)

Yeah. (01:18:10)

[Devon Kramer] : So it's $108. It's for an hour session. I meet with all different students, whether it be health, if they want to do core chakra memory work, if they want to just dive into all of this information that we just discussed. I let people know that the more sessions that you get, the cheaper it gets, because my ultimate goal is the more committed you are, the more excited I am to work with you. So it just ends up getting cheaper from that point. (01:18:33)

[Cindy Voll] : I see. Okay, great. Wonderful. (01:18:36)

[Devon Kramer] : Beautiful. (01:18:37)

[Cindy Voll] : Yeah, this has been an amazing, amazing interview. (01:18:41)

[Devon Kramer] : Awesome. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me. Okay. (01:18:45)

[Cindy Voll] : You're welcome. I'm going to stop recording so that... wait, are you recording or was I... (01:18:51)

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